Yeah, I think that price is absolutely insane. He’s young and shows signs of promise but that price tag is nonsensical.
I also believe he’s got a single year left on his deal. So if we don’t sell this summer, we could end up being skunked other than getting solidarity payments.
Under FIFA regs, the maximum enforceable length of a contract is five years.
Anyone else sort of worried Richie Laryea has made a mistake on which club to go to? Didn't even make the bench last night and now Forest is eyeing a 22-year-old right back at Burton Albion.
Maybe we could get him loaned back.
Not really how I meant it. I just don't get the hype, to me the kid is an unknown. He has 4 professional starts and hasn't cracked 500 minutes in his career. I just don't get how a value like that is even being tossed around.
Wolfsburg submitted an offer to us for Okello when he was 17. I see Marshall-Rutty at basically the same stage of his career as Okello was then. Highly-rated prospects with value that is almost entirely speculative because they've barely played and therefore have not shown anything at the top level. And that's fine. But like, what do we think that offer was for Okello? $1 million? My guess would be somewhere around there.
I know it's been a few years and values rise but Davies was 15 years old when he was routinely the best player on the pitch in MLS and he was sold for $22 million. How Marshall-Rutty is already in that neighbourhood is beyond me... needless to say I will not complain if that is in fact the case.
JMR can't even move to another country yet, so what's the harm in asking for the moon here. If he has a great season, TFC can raise the price even more. If he struggles, we can negotiate down to a more reasonable number (i.e., $5-$10m) based just on his potential.
Here's the article where Kloke confirms it's a six year deal.
https://theathletic.com/2530082/2021...ty-toronto-fc/
bc of the success of Davies and other, MLS prices have gone up significantly since then.
JMR is thought of by many in europe (as well as domestically, clearly) as the youngster with the highest upside in north america, and bob is apparently incredibly high on him.
i'm happy they are playing hardball here, no need to sell our crown jewels for peanuts.
yes i really doubt he is in that range,probs agent talk,but who knows they do spend like drunken sailors in the epl,maybe he really did impress on his trials,and the CNMT is like a flavor of the month these days,i think if he plays well he may be in the 8 to 10 range.one way or another i think he is gone in july
Who knows what was offered. Could of just been a cheeky 5 million dollar offer. I expect he'll end up sold for 12-15 million provided he plays well this year.
I thought we had this debate a few months ago. TFC would be lucky to get any money because of his age and non enforceability of the contract.
I mean, I think what most of us are saying is this potential is largely unrealized so far.
To use a recent example, Ricardo Peppi went for 20 million and that was as a striker with a clearly exceptional performance to backup the price. We are selling a blank slate of a player who will be spending some time at fullback.
All seems very wishful. And I’m not doubting the kid could be good one day just feel like he’s got to demonstrate it if he’s going to fetch that price from Europe
He’s been hyped as the best North American prospect for his age group for a long time. he made the best player under 21 in English publication that I can’t remember the name of right now
If he was European or South American no one would bat their eyes at that number. I hope he lives up to the potential as then he won’t be here long, but it would be great leading into the 2026 World Cup
but no offence to anyone on this board, but I’m more confident in tfc’s evaluation then anyone here who has watched him a handful of times at best
Yeah... I don't believe him.
This is from FIFA'S contract regulations, so either Kloke has it wrong or the club is flouting the regulations to an insane degree.
"The minimum length of a contract shall be from its effective date until the end of the season, while the maximum length of a contract shall be five years. Contracts of any other length shall only be permitted if consistent with national laws. Players under the age of 18 may not sign a professional contract for a term longer than three years. Any clause referring to a longer period shall not be recognised.
It was in the Guardian. I think for a lot of us that was a bit of a "he's what?!" moment since we've barely seen him play for TFC. It was a bit hard to see where it was coming from. At least with Davies and Pepi there was enough MLS play to know they were quality (although Pepi's fee is pure money laundering I think).
Could be a 3+3 contract or something and we're just hoping that any buying club would just pay up a bit extra to avoid taking it to arbitration or challenging it.
JMR isn't out there making the Guardian's list of top young footballers by accident. Yes he needs to play but the scouting on him doesn't rely on games in MLS. Liverpool and Arsenal aren't bringing him in for trials on accident. The $20M valuation is what it would take for TFC to sell him without playing him. That will go down no doubt, but I don't think Phonsie to Bayern isn't an accurate baseline anymore. These things tend to keep climbing.
JMR transfer value is absolutely starting at a 20m ask. The tools are there, he plays the right positions, he’s the right age, media are engaged, the giant clubs are watching are all signs of a 20m ask.
The Davies comparison are not accurate either because if you had hindsight Davies would have commanded 50m +.
Think about it; if a giant club can transform a mid into the best XI LB within two years they’re going to pay that type of money every time they see the potential. I’m not suggesting JMR will pan out like Davies I’m saying that this is what makes giant clubs who they are as the identify talent and make them stars. Some pan out and some don’t but if you don’t pay up when you see potential, someone else will and they’ll reap the rewards just like Bayern did.
With Salcedo and now Cristico, I’m really liking the increased leadership we are bringing in. These guys have great experience which will only benefit the back line.
We were so porous last year that we may as well have played with one man back and everyone else forward. I think we will struggle again this year but I can’t see us giving up 66 goals again. Success to me is pushing for a playoff spot, but I see us fighting it out amongst the middle of the pack.
Listening into Chungs interview with KJ, I’m just thrilled that we have a manager that is here with such a focus on developing our youth. We may not win any titles with Bob but I do have faith that he’s going to really help some of these kids flourish.
It’s also clear that TFC will make an additional splash at forward in the summer. When we add guys like Insigne and (insert striker) to a motivated Pozuelo, and some really interesting young pieces like Shaff, JMR and Priso, I’m quite excited to watch this team progress.
Let’s say in theory our target for a new striker this summer is either Belotti or Destro.
No doubt both are great players. As a matter of discussion, do we think for the money we’d pay these are the best options?
I think they may well be when you consider fit with the team but it’s worth the debate.
One factor for JMR - getting a work permit in the UK isn’t automatic.
If we're looking just at free agents this year, Belotti is clearly top 5. Transfermarkt has him as the 4th highest valued free agent forward. Sometimes you just take the best player available and figure it out later.
That said, maybe a top right winger would be ideal. We can then run Jimenez/Ayo down the middle, and let wingers put it on a platter for them.