Sebastian Giovinco - Best player in MLS history - Goals/Highlights

[jabbronies]

Be realistic, what club in our situation would be able to hold onto the player? If we get a large cheque out of this it's not the worst outcome I've ever heard. Ultimately it's down to what he wants if a good offer comes in.

And what we can bring in as well.

Toronto FC could end up being the team where players come to rejuvenate their careers - Defoe kinda did it - although he's got issues..maybe he's not a good example.

But Giovinco is doing it lol!!

[kwhisperer]

And what we can bring in as well.

Toronto FC could end up being the team where players come to rejuvenate their careers - Defoe kinda did it - although he's got issues..maybe he's not a good example.

But Giovinco is doing it lol!!

I want players whose performances are notable for helping TFC win championships, not rejuvenating their own careers.

[molenshtain]

I want players whose performances are notable for helping TFC win championships, not rejuvenating their own careers.

Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

[kwhisperer]

Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

Yes, of course. But we really need to accomplish something significant in this league.

[Fort York Redcoat]

I want players whose performances are notable for helping TFC win championships, not rejuvenating their own careers.

MLS Designated Players. It's pretty much what the rule was invented for. The 2 can happen at the same time (championships and career boost from location change) and not ONLY that but bring up the level of the whole team in the best of times.

[jabbronies]

I want players whose performances are notable for helping TFC win championships, not rejuvenating their own careers.

Ya I agree. I mean, it's tough to say what a DP level player is coming to MLS for.

Bradley came here for the project, as well as first team minutes and to be closer to his national team. AnObvious one IMO

Giovinco - a little of both. He needed playing time and TFC gave him that. Everyone likes money and TFC gave him lots. I don't know if he came here to specifically for the TFC project...but he's a proper professional, I don't think he goes somewhere without wanting to win a championship.

One could argue Defoe was a player who came here not for a championship, but for many other selfish reason. To play for the English National team, to expand his global brand, for the money and fame.

Guys like Koevermans and Frings wanting to expand the life of their careers and settle in with their families - and also the money.

Then there are guys like JDG or Mista who can't go anywhere but MLS - but I feel like that is changing. I don't think those types of players can get into this league anymore. unless some dumb ass owner brings them in.

[kwhisperer]

Ya I agree. I mean, it's tough to say what a DP level player is coming to MLS for.

Bradley came here for the project, as well as first team minutes and to be closer to his national team. AnObvious one IMO

Giovinco - a little of both. He needed playing time and TFC gave him that. Everyone likes money and TFC gave him lots. I don't know if he came here to specifically for the TFC project...but he's a proper professional, I don't think he goes somewhere without wanting to win a championship.

One could argue Defoe was a player who came here not for a championship, but for many other selfish reason. To play for the English National team, to expand his global brand, for the money and fame.

Guys like Koevermans and Frings wanting to expand the life of their careers and settle in with their families - and also the money.

Then there are guys like JDG or Mista who can't go anywhere but MLS - but I feel like that is changing. I don't think those types of players can get into this league anymore. unless some dumb ass owner brings them in.

As several have pointed out, winning championships and helping your own career can and should go together. And, as you say, helping your own career means different things to different players....but the outcome should still be a better team. With Toronto, the current DPs have improved TFC but not as much as what most people expected with the lineup we have. I never thought we'd get to this point in the season without clinching. To have an absolutely key player play a year and go would be catastrophic both to our team's improvement and to the idea that MLS can keep players if they are really, really, really good. (I like what I've heard from Giovinco himself. I don't expect him to go anytime soon, not even on loan.)

Of course, improved scheduling with respect to international games would be a big help. I don't know if MLS even considers it an issue, but I hope fans are letting TFC and the league know that it is a major source of frustration and an impediment to getting the better players necessary to make the league better.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Of course, improved scheduling with respect to international games would be a big help. I don't know if MLS even considers it an issue, but I hope fans are letting TFC and the league know that it is a major source of frustration and an impediment to getting the better players necessary to make the league better.

MLS is aware and uses wiggle room and bargaining for their teams to work out deals with federations. MLS teams do this more because of the sched being spring, summer, fall, but other leagues deal with it as well.

I don't agree with it but many federations want to make money on non fifa dates.

[Detroit_TFC]

What happens if the number of players of SG-level quality who seek to come to MLS increases substantially over the term of the current CBA? Obviously the teams who can take advantage of that (ie able to pay those market wages) will want to, and that might increase the pressure on MLS to rethink it's roster control mechanisms.

[molenshtain]

What happens if the number of players of SG-level quality who seek to come to MLS increases substantially over the term of the current CBA? Obviously the teams who can take advantage of that (ie able to pay those market wages) will want to, and that might increase the pressure on MLS to rethink it's roster control mechanisms.

You won't see an influx of those types of players outside of us, the galaxy, Slave owners FC, the new LA team, and maybe but probably not seattle and Orlando. No one else want's to spend that much. It'll be after 2020 and the next CBA deal when you're going to start seeing guys of Seba's quality on most if not all teams.

[Oldtimer]

You won't see an influx of those types of players outside of us, the galaxy, Slave owners FC, the new LA team, and maybe but probably not seattle and Orlando. No one else want's to spend that much. It'll be after 2020 and the next CBA deal when you're going to start seeing guys of Seba's quality on most if not all teams.

That will really depend on the next media deal, too. It may not happen. Remember MLSE is owned by 2 media giants, so we have an exception to most of the rules.