Where are they from and what's the record?

[BayernTFC]

I was inspired by the comments in multiple discussions on this forum about where TFC should be scouting talent from and how successful management has been with the players they've selected from particular regions. I'll post the tables as I finish them and any desired information can be added as needed. Here's a start:

TFC Players from the Caribbean

Player (games played)	Country	Manager @ Arrival (Salary)	Manager @ Departure (Salary)	Previous Team	Next Team
Kilian Elkinson (0)	Bermuda	John Carver ($12,900)	John Carver ($12,900)	Upper Canada College	University of Toronto
Lesly Fellinga (4)	Haiti	Chris Cummins ($36,000)	Preki ($36,000)	SC Heerenveen	Harkemase Boys
Freddy Hall (0)	Bermuda	Paul Mariner (?)	(?)	Northampton Town
Julius James (16)	Trinida & Tobago	Mo Johnston ($44,750)	John Carver ($44,750)	University of Connecticut	Houston Dynamo
Ryan Johnson (46)	Jamaica	Aron Winter ($131,250)	($137,813)	San Jose Earthquakes
Reggie Lambe (22)	Bermuda	Aron Winter ($62,500)	($62,500)	Ipswich Town
Tyrone Marshall (43)	Jamaica	Mo Johnston ($149,500)	John Carver ($153,750)	LA Galaxy	Seattle Sounders
Javier Martina (25)	Curacao	Aron Winter ($96,140.75)	Aron Winter ($96,140.75)	AFC Ajax II	Unattached
Collin Samuel (19)	Trinidad & Tobago	Mo Johnston ($115,000)	John Carver ($115,000)	Dundee United	St. Johnstone
Marco Velez (46)	Puerto Rico	John Carver ($60,500)	Chris Cummins ($63,500)	Puerto Rico Islanders	Puerto Rico Islanders
O'Brian White (42)	Jamaica	John Carver ($113,000)	Nick Dasovic ($182,000)	University of Connecticut	Seattle Sounders
Dicoy Williams (11)	Jamaica	Aron Winter ($50,004)	($52,500)	Harbour View FC

If anyone knows who was responsible for the recruitment of a particular player, they can post comments. Whatever helps to compare the records of each management team @ TFC

[BayernTFC]

TFC Players from Central America

Player (games played)	Country	Manager @ Arrival (Salary)	Manager @ Departure (Salary)	Previous Team	Next Team
Efraín Burgos Jr (2)	El Salvador	Aron Winter ($33,750)	Paul Mariner ($33,750)	California Polytechnic State University	Unattached
Amado Guevara (49)	Honduras	John Carver ($185,750)	Preki ($323,750)	Chivas USA	CD Motagua
Carlos Ruiz (5)	Guatemala	John Carver ($460,000)	John Carver ($460,000)	LA Galaxy	Club Olimpia

TFC Players from South America

Player (games played)	Country	Manager @ Arrival (Salary)	Manager @ Departure (Salary)	Previous Team	Next Team
Paulo Nagamura (4)	Brazil	Mo Johnston ($89,250)	Mo Johnston ($89,250)	LA Galaxy	Chivas USA
Joao Plata (50)	Ecuador	Aron Winter ($42,000)	($50,000 + $500K TF)	LDU Quito
Maicon Santos (40)	Brazil	Preki ($93,000)	Aron Winter ($126,000)	Chivas USA	FC Dallas
Martin Saric (21)	Argentina	Preki ($90,000)	Nick Dasovic ($90,000)	NK Celje	Sportivo Luqeno
Pablo Vitti (32)	Argentina	John Carver ($303,000)	Preki ($303,000)	Independiente	Universidad San Martin

TFC Players from Africa

Player (games played)	Country	Manager @ Arrival (Salary)	Manager @ Departure (Salary)	Previous Team	Next Team
Danleigh Borman (28)	South Africa	Aron Winter ($42,000)	Aron Winter ($42,000)	Red Bull NY	Super Sport United
Emmanuel Gomez (9)	Gambia	John Carver ($41,300)	Aron Winter ($45,600)	Samger FC	Samger FC
Abbe Ibrahim (1)	Togo	Mo Johnston ($31,250)	Mo Johnston ($31,250)	Red Bull NY	Väsby United
Joseph Nane (17)	Cameroon	Preki ($40,000)	Nick Dasovic ($40,000)	Old Dominion University	Colorado Rapids
Amadou Sanyang (20)	Gambia	John Carver ($40,563)	Nick Dasovic ($46,555)	Real de Banjul	Seattle Sounders FC
Tony Tchani (17)	Cameroon	Aron Winter ($194,000)	Aron Winter ($194,000)	Red Bull NY	Columbus Crew
Olivier Tebily (5)	Ivory Coast	John Carver (?)	John Carver (?)	Birmingham City	retired

Oceania, Europe, Canada, and the US are still to come.

[__wowza]

i wasn't planning on sleeping tonight anyway..

[TOBOR !]

Crikey.

[BayernTFC]

I added player salaries. I believe the inclusion of the salaries helps to explain the story.


TFC Players from Oceania

Player (games played)	Country	Manager @ Arrival (Salary)	Manager @ Departure (Salary)	Previous Team	Next Team
Andrew Boyens (23)	New Zealand	Mo Johnston ($47,500)	John Carver ($43,750)	University of New Mexico	Red Bull NY
Jarrod Smith (24)	New Zealand	Mo Johnston ($36,000)	John Carver ($36,000)	West Virginia University	Seattle Sounders FC

TFC Players from Europe

Player (games played)	Country	Manager @ Arrival (Salary)	Manager @ Departure (Salary)	Previous Team	Next Team
Elbekay Bouchiba (0)	Netherlands	Aron Winter ($92,004)	Aron Winter ($92,004)	Al-Shamal Sports Club	Unattached
Danny Dichio (68)	England	Mo Johnston ($165,625)	Chris Cummins ($120,000)	Preston North End	retired
Richard Eckersley (60)	England	Aron Winter ($90,000)	($390,000)	Burnley
Stefan Frei (96)	Switzerland	John Carver ($120,000)	($175,000)	University of California, Berkeley
Torsten Frings (40)	Germany	Aron Winter ($1,113,662.67)	($2,413,666.67)	SV Werder Bremen
Leandre Griffit (1)	France	Aron Winter ($55,000)	Aron Winter ($55,000)	Columbus Crew	AS Aulnoye-Aymeries
Eric Hassli (1)	France	Paul Mariner ($790,000)	($790,000)	Vancouver Whitecaps FC
Raivis Hscanovics (17)	Latvia	Preki ($120,250)	Nick Dasovic ($120,250)	FC Skonto Riga	FK Daugava Riga
Andy Iro (18)	England	Aron Winter ($87,346)	Aron Winter ($87,346)	Columbus Crew	Unattached
Milos Kocic (47)	Serbia	Preki ($40,000)	($44,100)	DC United
Danny Koevermans (35)	Netherlands	Aron Winter ($1,413,319.33)	($1,563,323.33)	PSV Eindhoven
Mista (14)	Spain	Preki ($987,337.50)	Nick Dasovic ($987,337.50)	Deportivo La Coruña	Retired
Ronnie O'Brien (13)	Ireland	Mo Johnston ($258,750)	Mo Johnston ($258,750)	FC Dallas	San Jose Earthquakes
Darren O'Dea (0)	Ireland	Paul Mariner (?)	(?)	Celtic FC
Rohan Ricketts (44)	England	John Carver ($212,504)	Chris Cummins ($165,000)	Barnsley	Diósgyöri VTK
Laurent Robert (17)	France	John Carver (?)	John Carver (?)	Derby County	AEL 1964
Carl Robinson (84)	Wales	Mo Johnston ($330,000)	Preki ($315,000)	Norwich City	Red Bull NY
Nick Soolsma (46)	Netherlands	Aron Winter ($86,004)	Paul Mariner ($110,000)	VV Young Boys	Unattached
Alen Stevanovic (12)	Serbia	Aron Winter ($250,000)	Aron Winter ($250,000)	Torino FC	Torino FC
Maxim Usanov (21)	Russia	Preki ($102,250)	Nick Dasovic ($102,250)	FC Krasnodar	FC Petrotrest St. Petersburg
Eddy Viator (4)	France	Aron Winter ($101,875)	Aron Winter ($101,875)	SC Amiens	Felda United FC
Andy Welsh (20)	England	Mo Johnston ($204,750)	Mo Johnston ($204,750)	Sunderland	Blackpool
Mikael Yourassowsky (25)	Belgium	Aron Winter ($81,670.67)	Aron Winter ($81,670.67)	HNK Rijeka	Unattached

Canada and USA tables coming soon.

[UltraSuperMegaMo]

It's a very interesting list, but it can be slightly misrepresentative when considering the team scouting focuses. When have had a number of players from the Caribbean come through the team, but it would false to suggest that TFC has shown a lot of strength in scouting the region, as most the player weren't playing domestically before coming to TFC.

That said, big ups for preparing the list.

[BayernTFC]

TFC Players from Canada

Player (games played)	Country	Manager @ Arrival (Salary)	Manager @ Departure (Salary)	Previous Team	Next Team
Nana Attakora (68)	Canada	John Carver ($12,900)	Aron Winter ($45,000)	TFC Academy	San Jose Earthquakes
Adam Braz (13)	Canada	Mo Johnston ($74,950)	Mo Johnston ($74,950)	Montreal Impact	Montreal Impact
Jim Brennan (93)	Canada	Mo Johnston ($158,000)	Preki ($193,250 + ?)	Southampton	Retired
Miguel Canizalez (12)	Canada	Mo Johnston ($40,000)	Mo Johnston ($40,000)	FC Oberneuland	Bonner SC
Adrian Cann (57)	Canada	Preki ($65,342)	($134,750)	Esbjerg fB
Oscar Cordon (7)	Canada	Aron Winter ($32,604)	($44,000)	TFC Acadmey
Julian De Guzman (93)	Canada	Chris Cummins ($956,350)	Paul Mariner ($1,910,746)	Deportivo La Coruña	FC Dallas
Dwayne De Rosario (75)	Canada	John Carver ($425,750)	Aron Winter ($493,750)	Houston Dynamo	Red Bull NY
Srdjan Djekanovic (8)	Canada	Mo Johnston ($17,700)	Mo Johnston ($17,700)	Vancouver Whitecaps	Vancouver Whitecaps
Terry Dunfield (37)	Canada	Aron Winter ($65,000)	($86,000)	Vancouver Whitecaps FC
Gabe Gala (24)	Canada	Mo Johnston ($12,900)	Nick Dasovic ($40,000)		Mississauga Eagles FC
Derek Gaudet (1)	Canada	John Carver ($12,900)	John Carver ($12,900)	Halifax Dunbrack	Portland Timbers
Ali Gerba (13)	Canada	Chris Cummins ($177,433.50)	Preki (?)	Milton Keynes Dons	Montreal Impact
Kevin Harmse (33)	Canada	John Carver ($72,000)	Chris Cummins ($79,200)	LA Galaxy	Chivas USA
Tyler Hemming (7)	Canada	Mo Johnston ($17,700)	John Carver ($17,700)	Hartwick College	Tampere United
Doneil Henry (40)	Canada	Preki (?)	($45,100)	TFC Academy
Nicholas Lindsay (8)	Canada	Preki (?)	($45,100)	TFC Academy
Andrea Lombardo (17)	Canada	Mo Johnston ($30,000)	John Carver ($30,000)	Atalanta	Whittlesea Zebras
Keith Makabuya (1)	Canada	Aron Winter ($32,604)	($44,000)	TFC Academy
Joey Melo (5)	Canada	Mo Johnston ($12,900)	John Carver ($12,900)		Mississauga Eagles FC
David Monsalve (1)	Canada	Mo Johnston ($30,000)	Mo Johnston ($30,000)		North York Astros
Ashtone Morgan (50)	Canada	Nick Dasovic (?)	($56,000)	TFC Academy
Chris Pozniak (22)	Canada	Mo Johnston ($95,000)	Mo Johnston ($95,000)	FK Haugesund	Chivas USA
Marco Reda (8)	Canada	Mo Johnston ($105,000)	Mo Johnston ($105,000)	Sogndal Fotball	Charleston Battery
Quillan Roberts (0)	Canada	Aron Winter ($33,750)	($33,750)	TFC Academy
Tyler Rosenlund (8)	Canada	John Carver ($17,700)	John Carver ($17,700)	IFK Mariehamn	Surrey United FC
Adrian Serioux (30)	Canada	John Carver ($131,570)	Preki ($96,000)	FC Dallas	Houston Dynamo
Kenny Stamatopolous (12)	Canada	Mo Johnston ($37,500)	Mo Johnston ($37,500)	Tromsö IL	Tromsö IL
Matt Stinson (22)	Canada	Aron Winter ($32,604)	($44,000)	TFC Academy
Greg Sutton (39)	Canada	Mo Johnston ($132,562.50)	Chris Cummins ($165,062.50)	Montreal Impact	Red Bull NY
Gianluca Zavarise (15)	Canada	Aron Winter ($46,517.75)	Aron Winter ($46,517.75)	Iraklis Thessaloniki FC	Unattached

[BayernTFC]

TFC Players From the United States

Player	Country	Manager @ Arrival (Salary)	Manager @ Departure (Salary)	Previous Team	Next Team
Quincy Amarikwa	United States	Paul Mariner ($44,100)	($44,100)	Colorado Rapids
Eric Avila	United States	Aron Winter ($133,000)	($158,000)	FC Dallas
Chad Barret	United States	John Carver ($61,273.13)	Aron Winter ($225,333.33)	Chicago Fire	LA Galaxy
Edson Buddle	United States	Mo Johnston ($150,000)	Mo Johnston ($150,000)	Red Bull NY	LA Galaxy
Conor Casey	United States	Mo Johnston ($180,000)	Mo Johnston ($180,000)	Mainz 05	Colorado Rapids
Jon Conway	United States	Preki ($69,833.33)	Aron Winter ($69,833.33)	Chivas USA	Chicago Fire
Sam Cronin	United States	John Carver ($84,000)	Preki ($105,500)	Wake Forest University	San Jose Earthquakes
Jeff Cunningham	United States	Mo Johnston ($232,500)	John Carver ($257,500)	Real Salt Lake	FC Dallas
Kyle Davies	United States	Aron Winter ($52,566.50)	Aron Winter ($52,566.50)	LA Galaxy	Orlando City
Todd Dunivant	United States	Mo Johnston ($99,750)	John Carver ($104,737.50)	Red Bull NY	LA Galaxy
Maurice Edu	United States	Mo Johnston ($132,500)	John Carver ($157,500)	University of Maryland	Rangers FC
Brain Edwards	United States	Mo Johnston ($44,750)	Preki ($48,350)	Wake Forest University	Charlotte Eagles
Logan Emory	United States	Aron Winter ($44,000)	($44,000)	Puerto Rico Islanders
Alecko Eskandarian	United States	Mo Johnston ($175,500)	Mo Johnston ($175,500)	DC United	Real Salt Lake
Hunter Freeman	United States	John Carver ($71,160)	John Carver ($71,160)	Red Bull NY	IK Start
Nick Garcia	United States	Chris Cummins ($198,750)	Nick Dasovic ($198,750)	San Jose Earthquakes	Retired
Dan Gargan	United States	Preki ($40,000)	Aron Winter ($70,000)	Puerto Rico Islanders	Chicago Fire
Matt Gold	United States	Aron Winter ($42,000)	Aron Winter ($42,000)	Ohio State University	San Antonio Scorpions
Kevin Goldthwaite	United States	Mo Johnston ($30,870)	Mo Johnston ($30,870)	Houston Dynamo	Red Bull NY
Alan Gordon	United States	Aron Winter ($96,504)	Aron Winter ($96,504)	Chivas USA	San Jose Earthquakes
Jeremy Hall	United States	Aron Winter ($149,000)	($149,000)	FC Dallas
Ty Harden	United States	Preki ($40,000)	($98,666.67)	Colorado Rapids
Zachary Herold	United States	Preki ($109,166.67)	Preki ($109,166.67)	West Pines United FC	Retired
Fuad Ibrahim	United States	John Carver ($103,000)	Preki ($133,000)	FC Dallas	Minnesota Stars FC
Nick Labrocca	United States	Preki ($79,500)	Aron Winter ($87,200)	Colorado Rapids	Chivas USA
Peri Marosevic	United States	Aron Winter ($129,000)	Aron Winter ($129,000)	FC Dallas	Unattached
Aaron Maund	United States	Aron Winter ($59,000)	($59,000)	University of Notre Dame
Richard Mulrooney	United States	Mo Johnston ($233,200)	Mo Johnston ($233,200)	FC Dallas	Houston Dynamo
Demitrius Omphroy	United States	Aron Winter ($42,000)	Aron Winter ($42,000)	University of California, Berkeley	Unattached
Jacob Peterson	United States	Preki ($143,000)	Aron Winter ($150,775)	Colorado Rapids	Sporting KC
Dasan Robinson	United States	Aron Winter ($100,000)	Aron Winter ($100,000)	Chicago Fire	LA Galaxy
Luis Silva	United States	Aron Winter ($79,000)	($79,000)	University of California, Santa Barbara
Johann Smith	United States	John Carver ($47,666.67)	Chris Cummins ($56,666.67)	Bolton Wanderers	HNK Rijeka
Nathan Sturgis	United States	Nick Dasovic ($89,250)	Aron Winter ($89,250)	Seattle Sounders FC	Houston Dynamo
Andrew Wiedeman	United States	Paul Mariner ($123,000)	($123,000)	FC Dallas
Marvell Wynne	United States	Mo Johnston ($150,000)	Preki ($171,750)	Red Bull NY	Colorado Rapids

[BayernTFC]

The last two lists consisting of Canadian and American players tell an interesting story. US players don't come cheap, especially established ones, and TFC hasn't been doing a good job managing US talent. We've given up too quickly on the better assets and overpaid or held on too long to the marginal players. It was interesting to note 3 of the 4 contracts added while Chris Cummins was manager. Julian De Guzman ($956,350), Ali Gerba ($177,433.50) and Nick Garcia ($198,750). Would John Carver have allowed that to happen if he'd stayed? By the way, the 4th was Lesly Fellinga ($36,000).

Canadians have generally been much cheaper, with the aforementioned JDG and Ali Gerba, as well as Adam Braz and Marco Reda, being the exceptions.

[prizby]

Reggie Lambe, Tyler Hemming, Doneil Henry (misspelled)

Freddy Hall's salary has yet to been reported

Allando Matheson never signed a pro contract

Andy Welsh was $204,750

Kilian Elkinson is missing on the list

Alan Stevanovic was $250,000 year (I'll help you out on more of these after the Canada game)

www.mlsplayers.org/files/May 1, 2011 Salary Information - By Club.pdf

[BayernTFC]

^ Thanks prizby. Changes have been made. Although, according to the MLS website, Kilian Elkinson never played a minute for TFC:

http://www.mlssoccer.com/players/kilian-elkinson


Also, I did notice Greg Sutton is missing from the list.



EDIT: Added Efraín Burgos Jr too.

[prizby]

^ Thanks prizby. Changes have been made. Although, according to the MLS website, Kilian Elkinson never played a minute for TFC:

http://www.mlssoccer.com/players/kilian-elkinson


Also, I did notice Greg Sutton is missing from the list.



EDIT: Added Efraín Burgos Jr too.

yes but this is based on scouting, so I am assuming its based on players we have signed to a contract past and present; someone scouted and decided to sign Kilian...also should probably put a * beside any carver, cummins, preki signing because MO was making a lot of those moves (assumption, but gut feeling)

Marco Velez - ended at $63,500 (http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/3_15..._info_club.pdf)

Joao Plata - does transfer fee matter (especially if allocation was used)? I am sure some of the other players we have brought in cost us either allocation or there was a nominal transfer fee

omphroy/burgos Central American; I buy maybe Burgos (who grew up and has lived pretty much his whole live in usa), but other than representing Panama 3 times at the u21 level (which he was able to do through a parent), omphroy's football development is USA; he never lived or played football for a club in central america

Abbe Ibrahim $31,250 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...laries_07.html)

Unfortunately Tibely was gone before the first release

Rohan Ricketts $165,000 (http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/3_15..._info_club.pdf)

Unfortunately Laurent Robert came after the 09 first release and had been waived before the 09 second release.

Brennan was what you got (last reported in 09)

Gerba was gone before the 2010 release

Missing Zach Herold ($109,166.67)...again, never played a game, but was drafted/signed (GA), scouted, so up to you if you count him.

Greg Sutton ($165,062.50) (http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/3_15..._info_club.pdf)

tough to say on the academy kids in 2010 (Morgan and Lindsay); seemed like there were no "developmental" contracts that year and would have been on $40,000, but nothing reported

Johann Smith ($56,666.67) (http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/3_15..._info_club.pdf)

Tim Regan never played for TFC during the Mo era; he was selected in the expansion draft then traded...he did come out of retirement in 2008 for that one game against chivas when tfc had many injured and at international duty (fucking Garber for not moving the game). (Rick Titus and Diaz Kambere would also fit in this.)

Sam Reynolds ($17,700) (http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/8_31...nfo_club.pdf); should be noted that he was an MLS POOL goalie, and not an actual player signing by MO.

Maurice Edu ($157,500) (http://www.fbtz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99678)

(just for the record, I don't believe the reported salaries are always correct; I think there are some players making more than what their wage is reported and others making less)

i think thats about all for now

[TFC Tifoso]

It was interesting to note 3 of the 4 contracts added while Chris Cummins was manager. Julian De Guzman ($956,350), Ali Gerba ($177,433.50) and Nick Garcia ($198,750). Would John Carver have allowed that to happen if he'd stayed? By the way, the 4th was Lesly Fellinga ($36,000).

Tough to say, since neither Carver nor Cummins were responsible for bringing them in......that was Mo, and Mo did pretty much whatever he liked.....people can say what they like about Cummins, but he brought us closest to the playoffs than any other coach.....

nice list man.....lots of good stuff (and not so good) in there......

[BayernTFC]

yes but this is based on scouting, so I am assuming its based on players we have signed to a contract past and present; someone scouted and decided to sign Kilian...also should probably put a * beside any carver, cummins, preki signing because MO was making a lot of those moves (assumption, but gut feeling)

I understand that there are some grey areas. I think some symbols and a legend to indicate which official was most responsible for the recruitment/signing of a particular player should be added at some point. In the event of uncertainty or lack of definitive information, then a question mark would be used. I addressed this very issue in the OP and any information that is provided will be welcomed. Your point on Kilian is noted. Elbekay Bouchiba falls into this category as well, so it's not an anomaly and they probably should be there for the reasons you mentioned.

Joao Plata - does transfer fee matter (especially if allocation was used)? I am sure some of the other players we have brought in cost us either allocation or there was a nominal transfer fee

I think it helps to highlight the difference in Plata's cost to TFC. He was a real bargain in year one. Also, someone made the decision to pay a transfer fee for him and that fee could have led to a change in the level of contributions Plata was expected to make. Allocation is an MLS quirk, and a bit murky, so I don't know if it belongs here. However, transfer fees are pretty concrete. If anyone has information on transfer fees, it certainly would be considered for addition.

omphroy/burgos Central American; I buy maybe Burgos (who grew up and has lived pretty much his whole live in usa), but other than representing Panama 3 times at the u21 level (which he was able to do through a parent), omphroy's football development is USA; he never lived or played football for a club in central america

I understand the argument about where players have developed. I think supplying the columns "Previous Team" and "Next Team" offer a good idea of where the players have been scouted from. I think it's safe to question the level of scouting that TFC management has conducted in regards to players from all regions. It's important to recognize where a player is born and which national team he plays for too. You've done this with Burgos. I agree with you that Omphroy was miscategorized. He's born in the US (So were his parents), and his time with Panama is at the U21 level. If his status changes later, we could revisit the issue. He's been moved to the US table.

Missing Zach Herold ($109,166.67)...again, never played a game, but was drafted/signed (GA), scouted, so up to you if you count him.

Tim Regan never played for TFC during the Mo era; he was selected in the expansion draft then traded...he did come out of retirement in 2008 for that one game against chivas when tfc had many injured and at international duty (fucking Garber for not moving the game). (Rick Titus and Diaz Kambere would also fit in this.)

I think Zach Herold belongs to the same category as Elkinson and Bouchiba. I removed Regan from this list. He was a draft and trade from the expansion year which, imho, doesn't bring lasting value to this exercise. As you said, he didn't play for TFC in the Mo era. A similar situation with Nate Jaqua. That one day loan thing was hopefully a one off that never happens again.

Sam Reynolds ($17,700) (http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/8_31...nfo_club.pdf); should be noted that he was an MLS POOL goalie, and not an actual player signing by MO.

He's been removed

(just for the record, I don't believe the reported salaries are always correct; I think there are some players making more than what their wage is reported and others making less)

i think thats about all for now

The reported salaries are the best information available at the moment. Changes can be made if more reliable information is provided. Thanks for all your help prizby. It's appreciated.

Tough to say, since neither Carver nor Cummins were responsible for bringing them in......that was Mo, and Mo did pretty much whatever he liked.....people can say what they like about Cummins, but he brought us closest to the playoffs than any other coach.....

My comments were made to highlight what can happen during transition periods. If I recall correctly, there were some accusations that Mo used Cummins' inexperience to gain access to the locker room and interfere with the squad:

Some of the highlights:
- Cummins claims that Mo didn't provide enough support to him
- Mo apparently would interfere with team selection, stepping into the dressing room (Carver had kept him out - Cummins regrets not being strong enough to do so) to talk to players at the half, making "I can't believe you aren't playing" comments to players not scheduled to start during the warm-ups of games

http://www.cansoc.org/showthread.php...ills-the-beans



Some things aren't always black and white. Just because Mo was GM, doesn't mean all decisions were entirely made by him:

Carver did take issue with one of the things Cummins said in the interview, specifically his claim that Carver had banned Johnston from the locker room during his tenure as head coach.

"I never banned or stopped Mo from coming into the locker room," Carver said. "He didn't come into the locker room because he didn't need to come in. I had a strong locker room. He didn' interfere one little bit.

"We had our discussions and disagreements on certain issues, but I tell you what, he never interfered with team affairs. He never asked me what the team was. He never told me what team to pick. I took full responsibility for doing that.

"When I was the head coach I made all the football decisions, I made all the decisions on players coming in and out of the football club," Carver said. "What Mo would do is he would recommend players to me. We would never sign anybody without me saying yes, I definitely wanted him."

http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_b...interview.html

[TFC Tifoso]

ah I see.....good to know.....

[jloome]

Robert was on $300,000. It was definitely released at one point, although it may not be easily found online still.

[prizby]

Robert was on $300,000. It was definitely released at one point, although it may not be easily found online still.

Robert was signed after March 31st (first release) and released before October .

This is the closest thing I found:

http://www.thebesteleven.com/2008/04...d-players.html

but no source of where the salary info was found