To be fair, it's the media that's called it Total Football, not the club. Nobody's played Total Football since the 70's.Originally Posted by Hamilton_Red
To be fair, it's the media that's called it Total Football, not the club. Nobody's played Total Football since the 70's.
Total Football was great in the 70's.
I agree with your sentiments though. We don't have the players to play Winters system.
yes we were shit tonight, but let's be rational here. We know that we are starting over and we have a thin squad. Fans turning on the players is counter-productive.
Patience, people, please.
If we do lose, we could be bottom of the league.....
Tchani will likely be a very good footballer in 2-3 years. Potentially one of the best in the MLS. He is raw, but very talented.
The LA game could have easily gone the way the game went today...we were just lucky that game and not this one. I was sitting in 223 and it was a lonely feeling towards the end of the game. My only comment is that I dont think we started with the right line up.
Congrats to 112, 113 and NEE for keeping it going for so long and not faltering. More than I can say about the players and this organization headed up by Paul Bierne and Tom Anselmi.
And as an aside...I dont want to hear from anyone in the FO on fan behaviour. You are lucky you have supporters left the way you have fumbled and mumbled, taking a gift that was handed to you, and made into what it is today. No wonder MLSE picked you guys...they clearly didnt put their top talent on their least valuable asset and it shows.
Better start picking your wardrobe for the year end townhalls.
and with MLS salary restrictions and what not I'm not sure we can ever get them either.
I posted early on this. DCU pressed us hard, and we coughed it up in the midfield. That is how you beat us. Other teams will wise up to that, and we will be screwed.
Our players don't have the touch, the movement or the vision to play a fluid game. Apply pressure to the man with the ball (if it's not JDG), he'll either cough it up or make a panicked, bad pass.
he hasn't looked comfortable these last two games, I think he's used to playing a certain way and it's going to take a while for him to adapt
Alright, so who wants to tell me to be patient and that we're rebuilding?
Atrocious, from top to bottom. At least the ref was great - Harden was a straight red.
Also, 16K in attendance? Ouch, MLSE.
That's what I've said over and over. Many of our players don't have the fundamentals down. They pass but don't move into space for the return. Many can't complete a short pass when not under pressure, let alone when being pressed. First touches are poor. This is not the material for a possession based attacking system.
Basically, not too worried about being a part time supporter or not. TFC is in my heart (but getting a little harder to cope.)
Anyway, Cockburn did it play it, along with every other tune of his that I know. Tokyo is my favourite.
But Rocket launcher's
"If I had a rocket launcher
I'd make somebody pay!"
Seems fairly fitting, given the mood here.
While I agree with this, it's not the folks on a supporters forum you need to talk with about turning on the team, it's the other 15,500 people in the stadium.
This is a real risk of the way Winter is doing things. Results are going to suck for a while most likely, and most of the people in BMO are going to buy into the rebuild angle. They are going to boo the shit out of the team if they lose. This is going to affect the morale of the team eventually - probably sooner than later.
16k hard to believe. The east stands looked like the platnum section of the ACC after the first period of a leaf game. Looked more like 10k-12k attended.
I don't think it was a straight red. I assume the red was for being the last man, I don't think he was. I have to watch the replay though.
On a positive note. Cordon impressed me tonight for an 18 year old breaking into the team. Great first touch (he used it to make space for himself on a number of occasions - what a novel concept).
I thought it was a straight red. It appeared he was the last defender on the tv. Maybe i Need to watch it again, but I'm certain it was a clear foul and he was the last defender.
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He looked great for a while, agree. One or two heel flicks too many though, when he obviously didn't have a clue who was behind him.
Horrid game.
Supporters only positive from tonight: Aron Winter
http://torontofc.neulion.com/tfc/con...atid=2&id=2986
and he missed, at the end and as usual Winter and team came over and thanked us, and in his presser said the only thing good about tonight was the supporters/ 12th man staying behind the team after that poor of a game....and was sincerely thankful.........class, even if MLSE hates us , this man knows footie
he cares
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I just hope that if Winter's plan doesn't come together, he'll be flexible enough to consider alternative tactics.
Total footy may yet work for TFC, but if it never really sets with the style of play in the MLS he'll have to take a new approach.
I'm not sure. I sit right on the line where it happened, and it didn't look like he was the last man. Borman was over arguing with the linesman for a long time.
I'd have to look at the replay though, things happen so fast live it's easy to miss something.
I'm judging his performance in the context of it being an 18 year old kid coming from the academy. Not perfect, but a major positive. I agree he did get to fancy at times though.
To me (based on the replays I saw on the big screen at BMO) it looked borderline at best... certainly from the ref's position (which was terrible all game) it would have been hard to make that determination and he likely needed some help. He didn't ask for it because I saw his hand in his back pocket as soon as that tackle was made.
That... and really there was no point. Harden hadn't even been warned to the best of my knowledge and was getting undone in a 2-0 game... red isn't necessary... it just isn't.
bam.....and we wonder why players get caustic?....how can one appreciate the highs without enduring some lows,.....ya, ya I know we've had a lot, but you chose your team and it's now your familyGlad you did too. There is no room for part time supporters on my fucking bus!
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If he was the last man, it's a straight red, warning or not. That's the rules. Last man - red. Not the last man - yellow.
The fact that the ref didn't go to the linesman is the real issue here. The linesman is there to read those plays.
how are peterson,gargan and harden still on this team????howwww
the ref did us a favor,lets hope he gets 3 games.
The atmosphere at the game was nasty ... stemming rom Charlie Davis and his goons dancing and taunting in front of the supporter groups...what a classless bunch; should be repriminded by the League or at least Winter ... this is a card offence to that jerkoff who spent the rest of the night diving for fouls. Very dissapointing that this act of humiliating the loyal fans did not spark the team to play with any heart at all... worst game, worst attendance,worst atmosphere, worst effort in 4 years....
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