wow, other than Ecks ridiculous 210k, not too shabby on the salaries - with 350k on O'Dea's base salary, does that mean he's on a DP salary?Originally Posted by Kayaker
EDIT: No, DK shows as a over 350, so i guess Mariner negotiated a DP priced salary to save a DP designation spot
Also, Russell is high at over 90k
Last edited by Red I; 05-06-2013 at 03:20 PM.
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Frei's is hard to bite sitting on the bench. Other than Ephraim's who's short-term, the new additions this season aren't really shocking.
Decent value for Earnshaw who I thought would have been 200K plus.
I think O'Dea is a bit ridiculous as well.
Robert Earnshaw $138k holy shit batman good deal. Especially if he starts scoring again. Going to be a big jump in the summer though, if does well & stays.
Agboss is a deal and a half and Bostock is cheaper than expected but still not as good a deal as Silva. Curious why Laba is on $200k, I thought that was just the cap hit. Unless that's what they're actually paying him and the DP designation has to do with the transfer fee paid.
Also, 55k is still too much for Wiedeman.
Remember folks neither of the numbers in the salary list show the real cap hit, as has been explained in a couple of articles. All kinds of funny numbers also play into that calculation.
I really can't complain much about most of the salaries...
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Overpaid: Ephraim, Russell, Califf. Also Braun, Dunfield, Frei, Ecks and O'Dea but we knew about those guys already. Hopefully Payne can renegotiate one of the latter two.
Fair: Silva, Lambe, Bostock, Earnshaw, Hall. Laba as well assuming he pans out.
Bargains: Boss, Bendik, Osorio.
Pretty well done by Payne IMO.
Wow. Does not look bad at all.
Not too shabby.
Wonder if Earnshaw, Ephraim and Bostock's salaries are a pro-rated amount based on their loan/short-term deals?
Gale Agbossoumonde D $46,500.00 $53,166.67 Kyle Bekker M $46,500.00 $67,750.00 Joe Bendik GK $46,500.00 $46,500.00 Ashton Bennett F $46,500.00 $46,500.00 John Bostock M $99,996.00 $99,996.00 Justin Braun F $112,200.00 $114,700.00 Danny Califf D $165,000.00 $165,000.00 Terry Dunfield M $120,000.00 $120,000.00 Robert Earnshaw F $138,000.00 $155,150.00 Richard Eckersley D $210,000.00 $310,000.00 Logan Emory D $48,400.00 $48,400.00 Hogan Ephraim F $180,000.00 $180,000.00 Stefan Frei GK $145,000.00 $200,000.00 Jeremy Hall D $80,000.00 $90,000.00 Doneil Henry D $50,000.00 $62,083.33 Danny Koevermans F $1,250,000.00 $1,663,323.33 Matias Laba M $200,000.00 $200,000.00 Reggie Lambe M $67,500.00 $70,000.00 Ashtone Morgan D $60,000.00 $72,000.00 Taylor Morgan F $35,125.00 $35,125.00 Darren O'Dea D $350,000.00 $456,250.00 Jonathan Osorio M $46,500.00 $46,500.00 Ryan Richter F $35,125.00 $35,125.00 Quillan Roberts GK $46,500.00 $46,500.00 Darel Russell M $99,999.96 $109,874.96 Luis Silva M $70,400.00 $105,400.00 Emery Welshman F $46,500.00 $46,500.00 Andrew Wiedeman F $55,000.00 $65,000.00
A lot of teams not spending all that much.
I think Ephraim's is earning a bit too much, $110,000 and I'll take him.
Weidemen is not worth remotely 55k. Thats an absurd amount for him.
quick thoughts:
- once again our backup keeper making half what our injured (but not really) starter makes. we're going to have the same problem we had with kocic all over again (although kocic is currently riding the pine over in portland).
- justin braun is making waaayyyy too much money. is it because he's been a journeyman for most of his career? i don't know. i know third string strikers make more, but at that value i'd sooner have weideman.
- bostock is making good money. i know he's not on everyones favourite list right now, aside from the fact that he holds the ball when he should be passing (and falling on his ass the rest of the time) the talent is there. plus its a loan deal.
- califf shouldn't be making the money that he is. again, this is where the "MLS experience" argument for his contract comes in. he's an average defender and his experience doesn't seem to be rubbing off or anyone. you could easily cut that by 40-60k.
- when earnshaw is in form, his pricetag looks like a steal. now.. not so much.
- eckersly.. ugh.
- if ephraims salary is cut down by the loan deal, great. if not, it'd make more sense to drop braun.
- o'dea.. ugh.
- silva.. christ. what're we going to do when he realizes he deserves a lot more than we're paying him?
A couple observations:
1) I'm pleased at what we singed Henry and Morgan for. Despite them both having a sub par year they can grow into their roles.
2) Ephraim is gone at the end of June. We don't have the option to buy him as he's still under contract with QPR. I'm not worried about his 180k at all.
3) at 100k Bostock is worth keeping around to see if he can develop.
4) Eckersley and Danny K can both apply for permanent residence in 2014. I think if we negotiate ecks contract down to about 150k a season and get him to count as a domestic he's good value for a guy who can play any position on the back line.
5) we have $250k invested in keepers that count towards the cap. In relation to other teams I don't think that it's crazy but if frei is gonna be a bench warmer then maybe we should move him.
6) Califf sitting on the bench at 165k is a waste. He hasn't played since April 7th and that's when we started giving up all the late goals. We need a veteran presence on the back line and we have one sitting on the bench.
Last edited by KGH; 05-06-2013 at 08:50 PM.
i suggested that back in 2010 and got shouted down.
hindsight is indeed a bitch, but personally i think that his value has evaporated. we used to be able to say that the guy was keeping us in games we had no business in being competitive in, but due to his inactivity, a series of freak injuries, and the fact that our current roster would do nothing but expose all of his weaknesses.. i don't know.
Any idea of when we signed frei to his current contract?
I wonder if there's an opportunity to sign him to an extension at a lower price tag. He's 27 and should be at the peak of his career. Instead he's been relegated to a back up. Maybe we can get him on a 4 year extension for 100-120k and hope he can get his form back.
I'm not too concerned about guys earning less than 125k. We gain / lose a little bit on each of those, they should all even out. Ok Dunfield gets more than he should, but Agboss gets less given his performance, Braun gets too much, but Bostock is probably underpaid given his pedigree.
I don't even know what to say about T. Morgan and Richter earning 35k. No wonder this league doesn't release salaries, good luck living in Toronto on that money.
to be honest, the MLS is very keeper heavy. bendik and kocic both filled their starter roles well for "backups". i know that's simply due to the fact that we're paying them half as much for what they believed would be a season of 6-10 matches in all competitions, but imagine what we could do if we had a half decent defence in front of them? i could easily see us going well under 160k for a solid starter and a decent backup. whether or not frei is included in those plans would be a mystery.
O'Dea makes DP money. He is not worth anything close to that. Easily the worst contract on this roster. Califf (a little) and Ecks (a LOT) are overpaid as well.
I'm surprised Russell makes that much. What kind of leverage did he have to get $110k, wasn't he trialing for an NASL team?
Other than that good job by Payne. Tough to know what the real value of the British imports would be as they're all on loan deals I think.
How the fuck did Dunfield get a 40k raise??? That better have been Mariner's doing since it would be a strike against Payne in my book if that was him. To make things worse, Avila is now making only 100k at Chivas. Would he have signed for us if we actually tried to keep him? I imagine not after he was treated like shit here, but we only had to offer him 125k to keep his rights. Instead we give that money to a much older and far less effective Dunfield and let Avila go for nothing.
Also did anyone notice that Hassli's salary is down to 237k?
But glad to see we got Wiedeman, Hall, and Califf on much lower salaries than last year
Word on Avila was more to do with off the field issues than on. He liked the nightlife a bit too much from what I've heard. Based on what he'd put up on social media, seemed to be not far fetched. Take it for what its worth.
I do have to laugh at the idea that Frie can be moved. A keeper that has played 3 matches in two years on that salary? Oh yeah, the phone will be ringing off the hook.
In a lot of ways, these guys were given the keys to a pretty damanged club, both in morale and in players contracts. Happy to see the progress but its going to be a while before there is real resolution. Hopefully some players will renegotiate their contracts.
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Like I said in a past thread on avila hes a party animal but I got grilled for it by a member ....wont mention names. Saw him and eks together at cobra downtown eks looked sober buy avila was already in his after hour phase of the night. Enough said!
Ecks(310k) and Frei(200k) make SoccerByIves all-overpaid team http://www.soccerbyives.net/2013/05/...paid-team.html
People seem to enjoy debating Ecks but having a 200k backup goalkeeper is just plain crazy.
All bargains relative to NHL. MLB and NBA salaries.
First thing that jumped out and I 100% agree.
Frei
I'm a little surprised at the attitude here. Frei who was our best player for several years deserves everything he got. What the hell kind of system is it that a player should have his salary cut because he got a bad injury? Which one of us would be ok with our employer dropping our salary because we got injured on the job?
TFC's biggest problem is that they change 90% of the roster every year. They don't have a complete squad until June...then start again February. I'd rather have 5 guys making $300k than one Euro has been making $1.5 Million.
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But because of cap/dp that euro at $1.5 is only $350 so 5x $300 is not the same as 1x$1.5
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