LOL, even after that game, TFC is still in a playoff spot.
LOL, even after that game, TFC is still in a playoff spot.
What's going on at TFC? Vanney talked so much about wing play over the last year and a half, but we rarely have any wing play. We have DeLeon in the team, but Vanney chooses to play him more centrally. His selections and formations make little sense. Our team plays with fear, relying on star players to bail us out constantly. Any new player who's come in started off well but got worse as time passed. There's no leader in the team, and the club is distancing itself from fans and SSHs in particular.
We're winless in 8 now. We as fans need to ask questions about TFC. We need to speak up on Wednesday and show them that we're not happy with this. I'd be okay if we're struggling yet playing to win and trying our best (see Vancouver, SKC, and Portland). This, however, is as bad as, if not worse, than New England led by Friedel. This truly is unacceptable.
I should have just watched Evangelion for the 10th time, only this time on Netflix.
Really not much good to say except that Westberg really stood on his head and made sure to hold Dallas to a respectable, single-digit scoreline.
Positives from tonight
Best TFC keeper game ever (name me one better please - I'd be interested)
Shafflememes can run wide
Pozuelo just needs 2 chances per game (& he gets them) to put the ball on a platter for the rest of the team
Morrow & DeLeon keep plugging away
Both Bradley & Alitdore got out of their game unscathed & played well for their time on
Negatives
Moor & Ciman haring up top with no cover from their mids
Fraser & Chapman lollygagging back & giving up on plays
Laryea not moving the ball forward like he did just a couple of months ago (but he's not the answer at RB)
Boyd puts himself about but its aimless & goes nowhere - he is not good enough
We have no systemic mindset to defend
We have no systemic mindset to attack
Delgado has somehow manged to regress from last year
Well firstly get rid of the management or we need to wake them up out of their complacency, MLSE is a fairly profitable company especially with the biggest Telecomm companies being a part of them, i dont buy TFC doesnt make much money compared to other teams in the league we have a lot of value
Pressure by whom? This board and Twitter? Everyone in management knows he's trying to play poker with a pair of deuces in his hand and no chance of winning. What other players would any other coach play? What other formation? Let's face it, once you subtract Jozy, Bradley and Osorio this team is only marginally better than Preki's eastern European cast offs.
I think it's management AND lack of players AND Vanney. I agree he's been dealt an awful hand, but no need for the team to play THAT badly. He's letting his defenders play undisciplined. He's letting his midfielders get away with not defending enough. (Why didn't they at least try to bunker in that game?) He's putting Terrence Boyd alone up front for 82 minutes, with two other strikers on the bench (which would be slightly more OK if they had at least been parking the bus in back during that time).
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After that game, to cheer up with some quality footy, watch the Norway - Australia WWC replay on TSN 2 right now.
Vanney's team setup, tactics, and decisions are handicapping these players. After spending several years with them, he should know about their strengths and weaknesses, yet it seems like he and the coaching staff have suddenly stopped playing the players to their strengths. If Brian Schmetzer can get a relatively poor 2016 Sounders team to win the MLS Cup, Vanney has no excuses.
I have no idea what Vanney is actually telling his defenders to do. He often continues to field players after they've messed up repeatedly, even when other options are available. I.e. he doesn't exert discipline even when he has that option. In any case, motivation would be better than discipline. And today, at least he could have brought Dunn along to have a defensive option on the bench.
Take all the weird choices with the change in management and the team looking so unmotivated and this all reeks of internal turmoil. Vanney has clearly either lost the room or has them convinced the lack of roster support is an excuse for this.
We played entitled last year, too. We need a Fergie now, a Tata, an Arena, even. Someone who takes no shit and knows how to win.
Our defense is an aging shambles, our midfield is mediocre and uninspired and why we keep starting Boyd, who shows no clue that he can play anything other than dump-and-chase...
I dunno. I think they've put this down to 'blood the kids a lot' and don't worry about results, because they want us to become like NYRB and Dallas, and produce a lot of players from within. That's Curtis' MO from NY, and if it's politically at odds with Vanney's preferred approach -- i.e. he doesn't think they stand a chance -- perhaps to some degree he's throwing away games to take the heat off them, to put the blame on himself for when Curtis eventually goes to management and says 'something has to change.' It's hard to blame the players when they're set up to lose game after game. He can't in a million years have thought that was our most competitive lineup option.
Easy to say without specifying what changes need to be made. I don't believe that any change in formation would miraculously turn things around.
Of course we could always hire back Preki with his 10 men behind the ball approach and lose 1-0 instead of 3-0. :-)
Btw, no way a Tata or an Arena would agree to be under Curtis and subject to his whims.
I have never been a VanneyOut person, but I am starting to think that it might be time for a change at coach. Exhibit number 1 is that he keeps playing Terrence Boyd. I don't think he has had a good scoring opportunity any game so far, except the penalty in the CCL, which he missed. He cost us a goal tonight with poor defending, so what exactly is his contribution to the team? Jordan Hamilton at least has 4 goals. Please play him instead of Boyd, who is the second coming of Ben Spencer. Exhibit number 2 is Vanney on the sideline gesticulating at his players to play forward, but them not doing it, constantly recycling the ball back. If the players aren't listening to the coach, then what value does he add. I would prefer to see TFC moving forward and giving up more on the transition, than the incredibly boring and ineffective soccer they are playing now. Not having good enough players is not an excuse--if Vanney was an effective coach but with weak players, then they would be playing the style he wants to see, though potentially poorly. Instead we get a style of play that Vanney keeps saying isn't the style he wants. How does he let them play like that?
I PVRed the game and fast forwarded through the last 25 minutes. It was too painful to watch.
with this lineup tonight they wouldnt beat a usl/cpl team
Man I loved 2017 but based on that season we really screwed ourselves that off season with so many decisions that continue to hamper this team.
I can name 3 players on that team who have gotten demonstrably better since - Jozy, Osorio & Chapman. That just isn't good enough.
and another thing...those that get offended when other “big four” sports fans...really MLS is bush league. What other major sport would allow it’s best players to bugger off and keep on playing. Not the NHL... sorry Kawai and Lowry can’t make it tonight they are playing somewhere else. FFS. This league has to get this shit sorted out. There is no reason the Gold Cup can’t be played in the Winter. Word Cup and the Euros are in the off season.
I think that "group" included a fit Jozy, Mavinga, Bradley, and Osorio. That has little relationship to who played tonight.
As I've said before, they will evaluate Vanney based on what they think he can do in 2020, not with this transitional group. If they think he won't be able to work with that team he'll be gone.