Thanks for the patronizing, anyway 2-1 up in a two leg tie with the road leg to come and away goals counting double is a precarious position.Originally Posted by Canary10
Thanks for the patronizing, anyway 2-1 up in a two leg tie with the road leg to come and away goals counting double is a precarious position.
especially in central america with refs that are well known for being dicks.
I guess we'll see.
Actually, if we analyze it further, only a 1-0 victory (or better) for Real Esteli assures them advancement.
If I'm not mistaken...
0-0 draw, TFC advances
1-1 draw, TFC advances
2-1 win for Real Esteli, Extra time/penalty kicks
2-2 draw, TFC advances
3-2 win for Real Esteli, TFC advances
etc. etc. etc.
Last edited by ManUtd4ever; 07-28-2011 at 01:46 PM.
Yeah. 2-0 would have a been much better. But we're still in a decent position. They played very defensively. They'll be forced to open up in the next game which will open some more opportunities for us.
Plata's first goal was a gift, too, relied on just as much a "lucky bounce" as theirs was.
But the real issue is that they were able to come up here and play the game they wanted to.
The best thing about last night was how pissed off Winter looked.
Since we're all armchair tacticians, how do you approach the next game?
with a handgun and a machete.
hack and shoot.
^ Well the real concerning thing IMO was that we had so much possession and we turned that into so few actual opportunities on net. The two headers by Johnson were our only attempts on goal at the half.
The team did a good job of retaining the ball but they were generally clueless when it came to what to do with it in the final third with the exception of Plata.
They played with 10 men behind the ball. That's pretty hard to break down. Scoring two goals is pretty good. Esteli can't play that way next time out as they have to score to win. I'd like to see us press 75% of the pitch for the first 10 minutes and try to get that first goal. Then settle back, with the two wingers playing more of a defensive position. Almost a 4-5-1. Let them press and we counter.
How can you possibly compare Plata's first goal with Kocic's blunder? Seriously. Plata made a few deft moves in the box before forcing the ball across the line. He earned that goal.
The real issue is that they came up here and played the game they wanted to? They barely touched the ball. If that was their game plan, it was executed to perfection.
Beach, you often make astute observations, and yes, TFC should have blown them out, but no offence, this is an absolute load of horseshit.
Zavarise was bloody ATROCIOUS!!!! Hope we don't see him for a while...he plays like he's afraid of the ball...
Stop with the logic, you'll ruin the agenda.
Toronto, while the greatest place in the world to ever play apparently, likes to eat its own because it makes some feel better about themselves.
We could win the MLS Cup 1-0 on penalty kicks and we'd still have someone complaining that they didn't dominate and offer that as "proof" next season is going to be rough.
^Exactly.....anybody blaming our defenders has obviously never played at a very high level...
sheeesh...
So you're equating the achievement of winning the MLS Cup with beating a crap Nicaraguan team 2-1 at home in a two leg tie. Yes I'm the one with the agenda
^ It was a bit of an analogy used to describe the situation. Sometimes extreme examples help to elaborate on the point.
TFC wins and some are more concerned about the manner in which they won
At least Kocic didn't pull a Paul Robinson.
check my posts, im almost always positive. Just dont think we did as well as we should have this time and as a result we are in a deeper hole.
Correction TFC haven't won anything yet, in effect it's only half-time and we're playing against the wind/slope. Last night's win will be irrelevant if we don't get through.
For those of us that aren't new to Concacaf, no matter how much better we played yesterday, you can never feel safe going to central america with anything short of a multiple-goal lead.
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a significant multiple goal lead
TFC won the first game of a two-game series, so yes, people are worried about the way it happened.
And when TFC wins the next game against Real Esteli (1-0, but they won't score until the second half, driving us crazy) people will be worried about the group stages because the opposition will be better.
That's not an agenda, that's sports.
Fair enough, but if we're going to be critical of certain aspects of the club's performance, why can't we also commend certain aspects of their performance?
I agree with your sense of optimism BTW. If TFC loses against Real Esteli, it will require a meltdown of epic proportions, or corrupt officiating.
There are about 5 frequent posters (including at least one mod) who now seem to go after any criticism, as some sort of evidence of the inherently miserable nature of the personality of the poster.
These personal attacks are out of line. The level of criticism is higher because the team has been so terrible.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
From what I saw at the game yesterday:
TFC played very well - controlled the game - had many good chances on goal - their keeper stood on his head at times otherwise we would have been up by 4 or 5 and we gave away a blooper of a goal.
the result may suck to a degree but the solid play was there - and yes they were a 3rd rate team and yes we should have dominated as we did.
i also liked the tactics and the subs...
Wow, now we're preparing complaints and negativity regarding future victories. That's not an agenda, that's not sports, that simply bat-shit insane!
^ that's also the way these boards seem to work.
Sorry, I forgot the smiley face.
It's like the famous Jewish telegram: "Start worrying. Letter to follow."
I don't know if you consider me to be one of those 5 posters, but just in case you do feel that way, I have never shown any disrespect to you or anyone else I happen to disagree with on occasion by way of personal attacks.
In fairness, there are also a few posters who seem to go out of their way to discredit neutral or positive opinions presented by others.
As for the level of criticism being higher because of the team's abysmal record this season, I absolutely agree. It just seems that a segment of the board has become so jaded by the dysfunctional history of the franchise that they can't acknowledge a few positive signs as of late amidst the turmoil that we have been subjected to for the last 4 1/2 years.
Last edited by ManUtd4ever; 07-28-2011 at 03:34 PM.
^ Well, it will be better when there's a longer run of success, no doubt. The thing is, there have been "a few positive signs" every year and there's always been negativity.
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