PRE/IN/POST GAME_MTL- TFC_Jun. 27_7:30PM

[TOBOR !]

Didn't see that coming... that's gonna cool off the anti-Anselmi sentiment for a while.

[denime]

OK,Guys let's drop this shit of calling each other and try to stay on topic.

At the end of the day we are all TFC supporters and if you have sign up for this site than even more than an average fan,so cut the crap of jumping on each other and try to comment the game,if you have nothing to say about the game I would suggest read other comments and try to enjoy our first away win since March vs LA.

Thanks

[Kilgore Trout]

Ok bud, but you can also look at it that going into today we were WINLESS in three under Mariner, so let's not just anoint him as the second coming of sir Alex Fergusson.. As a matter of fact I believe his subs the previous 2 games cost us two wins..

There is room between totally clueless (Winter, Mo) and Alex Ferguson. Mariner, I believe, is an intelligent, pragmatic MLS tactician and a good on-field coach with a terrific understanding of this league (MLS 1.0 or 2.0... don't give a shit). We were winless in three under Mariner, but, uh, we took points in two games and looked like we were winning both those games. I'm not sure, either, that Mariner's substitutions were terrific, but he had limited options and in the NE game Frings and JDG were completely gassed and had to be taken out.

Mariner is putting his players (and this squad, as I've maintained for a long time, is a competent MLS side) in a position to take points and score goals. He is not the farce that Winter was, and yet is treated by people here as if he is ten times worse, because he doesn't have the fashionable pedigree and background that Winter has (I say fashionable because Paul Mariner was a very good player and did well with NE albeit not in this same position; his record with Plymouth barely ought to be considered when you learn what he had to work with, and moreover that was some time ago), and doesn't want to play the same fashionable way. The evidence suggests that, while TFC has made mistakes under his charge, and some of those have been his mistakes, this is a team that is now regularly taking points and is scoring multiple goals a game consistently. I don't think Mariner is Alex Ferguson, but I'm glad he's not Winter, who is to Guardiola what a toothless 70 year old $2 Guatemalan streetwalker is to a Montreal escort, and I think he's done awfully well to take a club in just about the biggest slump possible and get them to take points from three out of four matches, scoring eight goals in those three and keeping a clean sheet in one.

I may be proven wrong, and I will admit to being wrong if that happens. I suspect it won't.

[Redcoe15]

Isn't it nice to beat Montreal on their own turf three goals to nil while shutting up UM02?

And that might have been the nicest free kick for goal TFC ever scored. Danke schoen Frings.

[DaBandit]

Its gotta be plainly obvious now that Winter was a special kind of horrible coach to have gotten so little out of this squad. This was not, and is not an 0 and 9 team.

Kovermans frustration with the "worst team in the world" stuff obviously came from the fact that he KNEW these players were better than that record.

In a league with this much parity, to be as horrible as Aron Winter was, you have to be a real special kind of terrible.

Im not saying Mariner is "the answer", but Winter clearly should have been canned much earlier (or more aptly, never given the job in the first place).



as opposed to Winter, who never even managed to get his team in a position to blow games late with his poor subs.

I completely agree with this post... I believe that there is a huge misconception by some on this board that many here are pro winter.. For me that couldn't be further from the truth, he should have been gone long ago.. His selections and subs were just as baffling.. The supporters of this club desired an experienced proven coach after 5 years of misery, so Winter probably should never had been hired.. And we still deserve an experienced proven coach, which Mariner is not... Not saying he's not "the answer", but I'll be honest I'm leaning that way.. We deserve better than tommy A, and his plan Z..

[Just One Man]

There is room between totally clueless (Winter, Mo) and Alex Ferguson. Mariner, I believe, is an intelligent, pragmatic MLS tactician and a good on-field coach with a terrific understanding of this league (MLS 1.0 or 2.0... don't give a shit). We were winless in three under Mariner, but, uh, we took points in two games and looked like we were winning both those games. I'm not sure, either, that Mariner's substitutions were terrific, but he had limited options and in the NE game Frings and JDG were completely gassed and had to be taken out.

Mariner is putting his players (and this squad, as I've maintained for a long time, is a competent MLS side) in a position to take points and score goals. He is not the farce that Winter was, and yet is treated by people here as if he is ten times worse, because he doesn't have the fashionable pedigree and background that Winter has (I say fashionable because Paul Mariner was a very good player and did well with NE albeit not in this same position; his record with Plymouth barely ought to be considered when you learn what he had to work with, and moreover that was some time ago), and doesn't want to play the same fashionable way. The evidence suggests that, while TFC has made mistakes under his charge, and some of those have been his mistakes, this is a team that is now regularly taking points and is scoring multiple goals a game consistently. I don't think Mariner is Alex Ferguson, but I'm glad he's not Winter, who is to Guardiola what a toothless 70 year old $2 Guatemalan streetwalker is to a Montreal escort, and I think he's done awfully well to take a club in just about the biggest slump possible and get them to take points from three out of four matches, scoring eight goals in those three and keeping a clean sheet in one.

I may be proven wrong, and I will admit to being wrong if that happens. I suspect it won't.

Well said all around.

[brad]

Great result tonight. I'm taking it game by game, but 1 win, 2 draws and a loss out of 4 games (three away) isn't too bad for us. Need to to better obviously, but it is an improvement.

I think a fit Kovermans is the reason for the improved results though, not Mariner.

[DaBandit]

OK,Guys let's drop this shit of calling each other and try to stay on topic.

At the end of the day we are all TFC supporters and if you have sign up for this site than even more than an average fan,so cut the crap of jumping on each other and try to comment the game,if you have nothing to say about the game I would suggest read other comments and try to enjoy our first away win since March vs LA.

Thanks

Noted..

[brad]

Isn't it nice to beat Montreal on their own turf three goals to nil while shutting up UM02?

And that might have been the nicest free kick for goal TFC ever scored. Danke schoen Frings.

Was nice - but I recall Guevera scoring some better ones.

[DaBandit]

There is room between totally clueless (Winter, Mo) and Alex Ferguson. Mariner, I believe, is an intelligent, pragmatic MLS tactician and a good on-field coach with a terrific understanding of this league (MLS 1.0 or 2.0... don't give a shit). We were winless in three under Mariner, but, uh, we took points in two games and looked like we were winning both those games. I'm not sure, either, that Mariner's substitutions were terrific, but he had limited options and in the NE game Frings and JDG were completely gassed and had to be taken out.

Mariner is putting his players (and this squad, as I've maintained for a long time, is a competent MLS side) in a position to take points and score goals. He is not the farce that Winter was, and yet is treated by people here as if he is ten times worse, because he doesn't have the fashionable pedigree and background that Winter has (I say fashionable because Paul Mariner was a very good player and did well with NE albeit not in this same position; his record with Plymouth barely ought to be considered when you learn what he had to work with, and moreover that was some time ago), and doesn't want to play the same fashionable way. The evidence suggests that, while TFC has made mistakes under his charge, and some of those have been his mistakes, this is a team that is now regularly taking points and is scoring multiple goals a game consistently. I don't think Mariner is Alex Ferguson, but I'm glad he's not Winter, who is to Guardiola what a toothless 70 year old $2 Guatemalan streetwalker is to a Montreal escort, and I think he's done awfully well to take a club in just about the biggest slump possible and get them to take points from three out of four matches, scoring eight goals in those three and keeping a clean sheet in one.

I may be proven wrong, and I will admit to being wrong if that happens. I suspect it won't.

Fair enough, time will tell. I hope for all supporters sake he does work out..

[DaBandit]

Great result tonight. I'm taking it game by game, but 1 win, 2 draws and a loss out of 4 games (three away) isn't too bad for us. Need to to better obviously, but it is an improvement.

I think a fit Kovermans is the reason for the improved results though, not Mariner.

This is a great point, Danny K looks to be in much better shape recently, by no means is he ever going to be a speedster. But he was coming back deep to help out defensively and getting more involved in the play. He made a nice defensive play back near our 18 just a few mins before he made it 3-0..

[Jack]

3-0

eat it!!!

[Red CB Toronto]

What a night at Saputo, sitting in the UQAM Berri bus station here in Montreal for my 12:15 bus back to TO. Do not know how I am going to get any sleep after such a sky high night. While the away support might have been small in numbers, maybe 25 or so, it was large in passion, pride and making lots of noise.

It was amazing to watch each goal, especially Danny K's, the emotion he expressed in the direction of the TFC supporters in the stands was great.

[A Stick]

I guess that's what you call an ugly road win. There's still alot improvement (i.e. possession ball) to be made and Mariner's act will run thin quick, but I'll take it. I like to see a few more games with Emory (sp?) and Henry at the back.

[OgtheDim]

Good result. Not going to change anything about Anselmi as that is in the hands of the Christmas tree builder, Rogers and Bell. Nothing on the field will change that.

Roll on TFC to beat the Not Quite New York Red Bulls.

[Pookie]

Winning in MTL is always special.

Objectively, the stats within the stats are still concerning.

36% possession
63% passing accuracy
Outshot (11 shots for and 14 against)

Those are almost identical to all games played under Mariner. Over the long run, that doesn't add up to a happy place and I would hope to see those numbers start to move over the next 5 games.

All that said, winning in MTL is always special. 3-0. Eat it.

[Phil]

UWhat a night a Saputo, sitting in the UQAM Berri bus station here in Montreal for my 12:15 bus back to TO. Do not know how I am going to get any sleep after such a sky high night. While the away support might have been small in numbers, maybe 25 or so, it was large in passion, pride and making lots of noise.

It was amazing to watch each goal, especially Danny K's, the emotion he expressed in the direction of the TFC supporters in the stands was great.

Well done & congrats on being there!

[Phil]

3-0

eat it!!!

Sums it up. Beating Montreal in Montreal NEVER gets old.

[Fort York Redcoat]

I guess that's what you call an ugly road win. There's still alot improvement (i.e. possession ball) to be made and Mariner's act will run thin quick, but I'll take it. I like to see a few more games with Emory (sp?) and Henry at the back.

My concern is with the RB position. I think Hall's is the future but both he and Eckers love to be there and do their best there. I think it's our strongest position at the back.

Again, luckily we'll see some different line ups there because of so many games coming up. This way they can share the role.

[Pookie]

We beat Monrteal away 3-0 and you are still not sure if Mariner should be manager? I hope that's a little sarcastic! We shouldn't be questioning Mariner right now! Mariner performed admirably tonight! Moving Frings into the backline and then back into midfield when we needed the experience was perfect management.

winter beat LA away. What's your point son? Anselmi should be praised for bringing in Mariner??

Beginning to wonder where you work.

[Phil]

Lets all remember its a long season. Celebrate the wins but lots of road ahead of us.

[Carts]

Lets all remember its a long season. Celebrate the wins but lots of road ahead of us.

Debbie Downer!

LOL...

[Soccerpro]

The concern is we played well during the second half of last year and look where it got us this year.

Kocic proved he's great value for his salary compared to Ricketts tonight. Ecks still isn't worth 380k. Emery did a great job at CB, love Henry, but we need a real leader at CB. The concern is that koev and Frings are going to be even older next year. This thing can be turned around next year but I'm not convinced by Mariner yet.

[Chris Wren]

What a night at Saputo, sitting in the UQAM Berri bus station here in Montreal for my 12:15 bus back to TO. Do not know how I am going to get any sleep after such a sky high night. While the away support might have been small in numbers, maybe 25 or so, it was large in passion, pride and making lots of noise.

It was amazing to watch each goal, especially Danny K's, the emotion he expressed in the direction of the TFC supporters in the stands was great.

Great job to you and the away support.

[Auzzy]

Very worrisome first half, but great result! Very nice to see Soolsma back on. Frankly TFC could easily have padded their stats with 2 or 3 more goals near the end.

Contract extensions for everyone!

[tiberius]

when you are beating your local rivals away by 3 goals, it isn't the time to say that anybody should be out! Anselmi brought Mariner to the club as well as Winter! So, credit where credit is due, you have to give kudos to whoever (Anselmi) brought Mariner here right now!

WOW! What an incredible statement - in fact it is astonishing - beyond the pale. The team under Mariner has won a total of ONE game. It is my humble opinion that this poster either has a strong connection to the Toronto FC FO or is trolling or both.

The team had a successful outing tonight - congrats to them! They deserve a nice win after some tough times. Mariner is entertaining and the team is trending in the right direction for taking it to NY on Saturday! I can't wait for Saturday's game.

[Yohan]

Isn't it nice to beat Montreal on their own turf three goals to nil while shutting up UM02?

And that might have been the nicest free kick for goal TFC ever scored. Danke schoen Frings.

Amado guevara disagrees

[T-boy]

Great result tonight. I'm taking it game by game, but 1 win, 2 draws and a loss out of 4 games (three away) isn't too bad for us. Need to to better obviously, but it is an improvement.

I think a fit Kovermans is the reason for the improved results though, not Mariner.

I think Mariner has set up the team to suit Kov's strengths. His hold up play in the last 3 games has been far better than earlier in the season. And the reason why its better is that hes god RJ playing close to him now. DK's flick ons for RJ to run onto are causing problems over and over again. Winter's system didn't allow this at all. I thikn we can thank Mariner for bringing DK back into form. A number of players, in fact, have all started performing better since winter has gone. RJ is one of them, he's playing some nice football and looks very motivated right now. As does Ecks, who was underperforming earlier under winter, but now looks like an extremely competant defender once again. Ecks has been my man of the match the last 2 games due to his work rate and attitude, especially being played out of position. The runs that Ecks made tonight when he was at full back caused Montreal problems over and over again! And again, this has to do with Winter leaving and Mariner now being manager. He seems to be giving the players confidence to play to their abilities.

[T-boy]

Really dude.. I missed this post, but really??? Yes, let's all kiss Anselmi's ass cuz mariner won a game.. That surely make's up for the last 6 years of myself and others pouring out thousands of dollar into ML$E's wallet.. Where can I renew? Sign me up..

Sorry but I'm going to have to give you my first ever ... Congrats!

all I'm saying is that we win a game, and its time to enjoy it, Some people on here are criticising a win/the club/management? That's a little silly isn't it? I don't understand that at all? It's like some people are never happy! Just like it was horrible timing to bring out the "Anselmi Out" posters when we were actually in the lead on Saturday. That timing made it a completely moot point! Criticise when you're losing, not when you are winning!

[Pookie]

Wow.