TFC 2018-2019 player off season moves/speculation/rumours

[stegosaurus]

Check out this tweet at [URL]https://twitter.com/sbeita33/status/1099369152823779329?s=21[/URL]

That’s the one — thank you!

While I understand the league structure, it’s pretty irritating that the league dictates transfer policy, signings, and salaries like this.

Basically everyone slagging off the FO for dropping Beita when he seems to indicate that the league doesn’t want teams spending TAM on domestics (unless they’re “brand names”) needs to understand that there are times the FO’s hands are probably tied. Pay VdW a bunch because of his pedigree and name, but you’re not allowed to give Beita a raise because he’s domestic.

Without this kind of autonomy, you’re going to wind up with silly situations. “Sorry, you can’t have a DP defender or give TAM to a keeper. However, we hear Ronaldinho is looking to play a match or two if it doesn’t interfere with the beach...” I still wonder if the league has anything to do with TFC’s new “cost cutting” and playing hard on our DP contract renewals...

[DinamoTFC]

https://m.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20190...9?utm_source=t

Only a preview available, but article suggest Pozuelo has played his last match and exited through the back door (assuming from the stadium after the match).

[Yohan]

I haven’t listened to that pod but he was great at LAFC, that team basically fell apart after he left. That was only six months ago.

Well, losing Mark Anthony Kaye at DM who has covered up a lot of Ciman's mistakes mid season IMO

^I’m with you here (concerned about Ciman as well) but as a caveat he is far better with the ball at his feet vs. Zavs. The latter is an absolute liability back there on both sides of play. By today’s standards he’d be one of the worst passing CB’s in the league. The need to have players back there who are good on the ball (and feel comfortable stepping into space at least occasionally) has gone from luxury to necessity in this league given the popularity of the high press.Last night I watched IMFC destroy DCU’s press at least a half dozen times with CB’s who took space and quickly launched counter attacks with numerical advantages. So agreed, Ciman still has to prove he can defend. However, he’s still clearly offering something in the interim.

Too late for Ciman to learn new tricks. He's always going to be a risky defender who will dive into tackles and break the defensive line to try to stop an attack. Personally, I'd go back to 3-5-2 with 3 CBs so that other 2 CBs can cover for Ciman when he goes off on an adventure on defence.

[stegosaurus]

https://m.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20190...9?utm_source=t

Only a preview available, but article suggest Pozuelo has played his last match and exited through the back door (assuming from the stadium after the match).

I was at this game (and the last one). Pretty much everyone I met thinks he’s gone as of now and won’t stay even til March.

Some people were miffed, others were understanding. Seems about par for the course.

In other news: is Kepa coming to Bad Attitude FC to replace Bono?

[Canary10]

Genk’s fight for the CL spot has gotten a lot tighter if that factors into anything at this point.

[ag futbol]

Too late for Ciman to learn new tricks. He's always going to be a risky defender who will dive into tackles and break the defensive line to try to stop an attack. Personally, I'd go back to 3-5-2 with 3 CBs so that other 2 CBs can cover for Ciman when he goes off on an adventure on defence.

Well yes it is too late to learn new tricks but the question is what is his actual quality of play?

Personally, i’m with you. I watched him play over the years and thought Ciman gets caught out a lot for a “defender of the year”. But everyone keeps saying he’s worthy of the accolades and I certainly don’t see every game, so what do I know? Guess we’re going to find out one way or another this season.

[Yohan]

Well yes it is too late to learn new tricks but the question is what is his actual quality of play?Personally, i’m with you. I watched him play over the years and thought Ciman gets caught out a lot for a “defender of the year”. But everyone keeps saying he’s worthy of the accolades and I certainly don’t see every game, so what do I know? Guess we’re going to find out one way or another this season.

I ask myself, how the hell did Ciman get 20 caps for Belgium

[Gringo Starr]

Ciman's value is in his ability to make the first pass out of the back,with the right guy beside him he will do well, hopefully Mavinga is that guy

[Canary10]

There’s a role for that kind of central defender. Not sure what that is on a team that couldn’t keep anything out of the goal last year though.

[Auzzy]

I was at this game (and the last one). Pretty much everyone I met thinks he’s gone as of now and won’t stay even til March.

Some people were miffed, others were understanding. Seems about par for the course.

In other news: is Kepa coming to Bad Attitude FC to replace Bono?

So who's strapping on the roller blades to check the flights from Belgium? Seems like this episode of the transfersoap is finally coming to an end, and we'll have white smoke on both sides of the Atlantic sometime soon.

[stegosaurus]

So who's strapping on the roller blades to check the flights from Belgium? Seems like this episode of the transfersoap is finally coming to an end, and we'll have white smoke on both sides of the Atlantic sometime soon.

Rollerblading is currently only acceptable in France, plus I left mine at home (I’ll never be a legend at this rate). I’m leaving tomorrow morning, so maybe I’ll take one of those annoying electric scooters and see if I can spot him hopping on a plane.

All signs from Belgium point to him being gone though, as far as interaction here is concerned.

[Still Kicking]

So who's strapping on the roller blades to check the flights from Belgium? Seems like this episode of the transfersoap is finally coming to an end, and we'll have white smoke on both sides of the Atlantic sometime soon.

That, in RPB forum lore, is the triple. Concise, logical and applicable, a masterstroke. One day I will reach those heights...

[ag futbol]

There’s a role for that kind of central defender. Not sure what that is on a team that couldn’t keep anything out of the goal last year though.

It is made tougher when the guy who plays next to you also gambles on the odd challenge. Mavinga was the perfect foil for Moor. The former would cover for the latter’s lack of pace on the other hand the Moor would provide positional consistency where Mavinga has the propensity to wander.

Somebody here is going to have to organize / stay put.

As you mentioned passing is cold comfort if we leak goals as fast as we were last season (or last game).

[Canary10]

It is made tougher when the guy who plays next to you also gambles on the odd challenge. Mavinga was the perfect foil for Moor. The former would cover for the latter’s lack of pace on the other hand the Moor would provide positional consistency where Mavinga has the propensity to wander.

Somebody here is going to have to organize / stay put.

We talked a lot about passing but that’s cold comfort if we leak goals as fast as we were last season (or last game).

I was thinking that exacy about Mavinga. Not the best pairing.

[ricardo]

Hey guys!

Sorry if this is not the right thread but has anyone received their membership package yet?

Cheers!

[Bushmancan]

Due out in early March before the first regular season game. Sorry if it is the wrong thread.

Any news if Telfer will be ready for Tuesday.

[FootBallAZ]

I was thinking that exacy about Mavinga. Not the best pairing.

yea didn't mavinga get a yellow card for a clean tackle, because of ciman's hard tackle right before

[stegosaurus]

yea didn't mavinga get a yellow card for a clean tackle, because of ciman's hard tackle right before

Yep. Mavinga is great at last ditch tackles, but Ciman needs to live up to his “The General” nickname if he’s going to marshall the back line (not to mention we don’t need two generals).

[Gringo Starr]

Part of the problem last season was the constant churn in the back line, even if Mavinga and Ciman are not the best defensive pairing, if they are out there on a regular basis we should be better off once they get used to each other's positioning and tendencies. The concern about the defence is more than valid but another part off the problem last season was being under constant pressure at the back with only Bradley beinging able to make an outlet pass. So often the ball would go from Bono to Zavs and back until Bradley dropped back. With Ciman we should be able to get into transition much quicker and spend less time in our own zone. Moor can move the ball as well so having him back will help as well.

[stegosaurus]

Part of the problem last season was the constant churn in the back line, even if Mavinga and Ciman are not the best defensive pairing, if they are out there on a regular basis we should be better off once they get used to each other's positioning and tendencies. The concern about the defence is more than valid but another part off the problem last season was being under constant pressure at the back with only Bradley beinging able to make an outlet pass. So often the ball would go from Bono to Zavs and back until Bradley dropped back. With Ciman we should be able to get into transition much quicker and spend less time in our own zone. Moor can move the ball as well so having him back will help as well.

The problem was having no quality defenders fit, or no leader on the back line. They wouldn’t have brought in Ciman if Moor was going to figure frequently, but Ciman has to play a level-headed role given his propensity for bad tackles (Cheese Monger supporters can tell you this). Mavinga is awesome, but he can’t fix the fundamental issues with Zavaleta that Moor can maybe fix. Ciman should settle and play out the back, and leave the feats to Mavinga.

[Redpunkfiddle]

Love the guy but Beita wasn’t a TAM player in the current salary budget world.

It sucks that his TAM pedigree replacement both underperformed on the field and was a 180 degree turn on character.

I thought after the Defoe debacle we brought the shrinks to all our contract signings. Character slipped through.

[Hamilton_Red]

I ask myself, how the hell did Ciman get 20 caps for Belgium

Kompany playing alongside?

[stegosaurus]

Love the guy but Beita wasn’t a TAM player in the current salary budget world.

It sucks that his TAM pedigree replacement both underperformed on the field and was a 180 degree turn on character.

I thought after the Defoe debacle we brought the shrinks to all our contract signings. Character slipped through.

But the TAM for Beita went for failed signings like Aketxe and VdW...

[OgtheDim]

Anybody able to translate?

https://youtu.be/75FhOnQ9BXY

Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/stevelaprade/status/1099772177866461184?s=19

[Auzzy]

I don't think Beitashour was looking for a TAM-level salary. He made $275k-$298k 2018 in LA. (Year before he made $250k-$264k with TFC.) TAM normally comes into play above the max. player budget charge of $350k.

Beita wanted a bit more than in his previous contract; TFC wanted to pay him less than before. I don't think we know for sure how far they were apart. That's why Beita referred to the salary cap: TFC felt they needed to be careful under the budget, as is often the case especially after a championship win.

I think Beita mentioned TAM because vdW's budget impact under the cap for TFC was actually less than Beitashour's would have been, due to the TAM rules, even though vdW was making over $800k. So you can get how Beita found that unfair. He's probably also speaking on behalf of other mid-level MLS stars who would be interested in TAM-level contracts.

For TFC, there's not just the question of losing Beita; it's who they got for an $800k TAM salary. Looking around the league and around the world, there are much more impactful players than what we saw from vdW. Even more so with Aketxe, who was making $1.2 or $1.3 million on a TAM salary. (And we still don't know if TFC has to use their one-a-year buyout on Aketxe in 2019.) On the other hand, Vazquez, and many other players around MLS, are examples of TAM working well to bring in extra talent.

From a league standpoint, we have to remember that the point of DP, TAM & GAM rules are expressly to not just to spread the extra $ under the salary cap to existing MLS players with existing talent levels, especially as the talent pool is diluted due to expansion. MLS wants the general salary cap to rise gradually, presumably in relation to general talent improvement of the domestic pool, while splashing the special DP/TAM/GAM cash on foreign or returning domestic players.

I can see how long-serving MLS players would find that unfair; but it's the way the above-salary-cap rules were purposely designed.

[noimpactinmtl]

But the TAM for Beita went for failed signings like Aketxe and VdW...

They swung for the fences and struck out. Aketxe was a 22 year desperate for a chance to revive his career, Van der Wiel is a Dutch international fullback available on the cheap (compared to the likes of Lichtsteiner and Alves).

They failed, not because of lack of ambition or throwing darts at the board. They failed because Aketxe couldn’t find his form and Van der Wiel is a cancer with a serious attitude problem that Vanney and Bradley couldn’t control.

[OgtheDim]

Translation around here

Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/Scorebordjourn/status/1099808511209418753?s=19

It's a comedic bit about Pozeulo.

[ensco]

They swung for the fences and struck out. Aketxe was a 22 year desperate for a chance to revive his career, Van der Wiel is a Dutch international fullback available on the cheap (compared to the likes of Lichtsteiner and Alves).

They failed, not because of lack of ambition or throwing darts at the board. They failed because Aketxe couldn’t find his form and Van der Wiel is a cancer with a serious attitude problem that Vanney and Bradley couldn’t control.

I think we should be careful about being quite this strong. We can't/don't know enough.

I am inclined to believe Vanney/Manning about what generally happened here, but have learned that things like this are usually not that black or white.

[ag futbol]

Love the guy but Beita wasn’t a TAM player in the current salary budget world.

Depends on your definition of TAM. With an ever increasing number of teams and a limited talent pool it is inevitable the cost of domestics will go up in the short term.

I think the stupidity is, because MLS would like to keep domestic salaries low, it burns near a million on VDW rather than paying Beitashour what might have been an extra 75k-100k. Listing to him talk post season, he wasn't expecting the world. He just wanted some sort of increase because literally everybody else was given one but he essentially told to "take one for the team".

Now, all that said. Management can wax poetic on this, and I'm sure the league office didn't make it any easier, but Manning and Bez screwed up, plain and simple.

[ensco]

Depends on your definition of TAM. With an ever increasing number of teams and a limited talent pool it is inevitable the cost of domestics will go up in the short term.

I think the stupidity is, because MLS would like to keep domestic salaries low, it burns near a million on VDW rather than paying Beitashour what might have been an extra 75k-100k. Listing to him talk post season, he wasn't expecting the world. He just wanted some sort of increase because literally everybody else was given one but he essentially told to "take one for the team".

Now, all that said. Management can wax poetic on this, and I'm sure the league office didn't make it any easier, but Manning and Bez screwed up, plain and simple.

Co signed.

They outsmarted themselves, got cocky because upgrading Johnson with Vazquez had worked so well.