^ Thanks ensco.
I didn't really notice the lead-up to his leaving the field, since I'm high on the west side, only when actually didn't leave. But I noticed when he came off, & his facial expression, and man was I worried.
^ Thanks ensco.
I didn't really notice the lead-up to his leaving the field, since I'm high on the west side, only when actually didn't leave. But I noticed when he came off, & his facial expression, and man was I worried.
Leave the past in the past.
Robben staying with Bayern and even though Ribery punched him it was a French fist on a German team. Van Perise and Kuyt may be playing for German teams soon. The Germans are very good at integrating people to there way, Podolski!!!!!
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns...up2010&cc=null
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From Twitter:
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Torsten sustained an injury to his shoulder during Saturday’s match against D.C. He will undergo further evaluation on Tuesday.
(43 minutes ago)
"Failure simply isn't an option at this stage. TFC pushed its chips to the middle of the table when it splurged on Bradley and Defoe and reinforced its bet by making savvy acquisitions elsewhere. This collection of players is capable of delivering on the promises made during the close season. There are no more excuses available for TFC. Only success will continue the process of atoning for the past and establishing a higher standard for the future." FOX Sports
I saw Frings at Longos Maple Leaf Square yesterday. He was in line in front of me at the checkout. He was reading his phone while his wife was getting something small. He paid. I didn't have the courage to speak to him. I just stared at him. Then he left and went up the escalator. Didn't carry any bags.
My girlfriend said he's hot (she didn't really notice or care much for Frings before). I said his wife his hot.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
"Failure simply isn't an option at this stage. TFC pushed its chips to the middle of the table when it splurged on Bradley and Defoe and reinforced its bet by making savvy acquisitions elsewhere. This collection of players is capable of delivering on the promises made during the close season. There are no more excuses available for TFC. Only success will continue the process of atoning for the past and establishing a higher standard for the future." FOX Sports
^I think Ty Harden, Nik Soolsma and Sean Penn were all separated at birth.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
Assuming he isn't seriously injured ... I love Fringsy, but I wonder if we shouldn't trade him. Only with his consent of course. I bet there is a market for him.
He is a perfect piece for a contender, but it makes no sense for him to be here, on a rebuilding (expansion?) team. We are asking him to do too much. Given his age and stage, he needs to come out after 60 minutes most games, and then go 90 minutes in the big games from September onward.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
This sort of confirms what people were saying about getting a DP too soon on an expansion team when he can't really make a difference and is wasted.
And it really points to what you said in the Vncouver thread, we're not competing for non-DP players very well and that's where the biggest effect will be felt.
Wow, trade Frings? That is the solution?
Obviously trading Frings isn't a solution.
However, the fitness issues we keep having with Frings and Koev's just highlights the problem of signing 33 year old plus DP's. I said when they signed, if they keep fit they are great signings. BUT, more than likely they won't keep fit as they are ageing. And that is exactly what has happened unfortunately.
An observation was made in another thread about older Dp's and how they tire when running down field with players like Plata. Are they holding players like Plata back?
really? I disagree with this. Having a guy like him mentoring your rookies mid level players on the pitch is so valuable to a rebuilding team.
even if he is only playing 60 minutes per game he will help players with their confidence and understanding of the game much faster than if you didn't have him.
DP or not, a player with experience is needed on all teams - especially expansion/rebuilding teams.
This gets thrown around a lot, but is he reaaally mentoring the younger players on this squad? I wouldn't be so sure.
Just from a cursory level, don't know how a world class athlete who has played at the highest level of the sport would feel they have in common with young players on the fringes of a developing league who grew up on a different continent. Personally, I see more evidence of someone like JDG being a mentor to younger players than the other guys on the squad.
Just like coaching, your level of play does not necessarily indicate your ability to pass your knowledge on to others.
I would hope he knows how to coach players on the pitch. He has shown interest in that side of the game with his old club in Germany and they are ready to bring him in with open arms when he's ready.
At the end of the day, one could only assume he is mentoring the younger players based on the above facts. Also - if you are at BMO and just watch Frings you'll see how much he is doing to get guys in the right positions - although you'll also notice once those players are in the correct spot, they end up wandering away aimlessly, but that's another topic I guess.
As for JDG - I don't see him as a mentor. At the end of the game, all of his interviews are about him and his play. he is very focused on his game and only his game. Aside from that, the only time I see JDG speaking to anyone on the pitch is when he is setting himself up for something.
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
From Asif's tweet - Winter says Koev and Frings are a maybe tomorrow and Soolsma more likely. That tells me that Frings didn't break anything and even if he doesn't play tomorrow he'll be OK for the next MLS game.
Is it my eyesight or does Frings look heavier than last season? We don't seem to have a apecialist fitness coach anymore..
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
I'm not sure he's "heavier" - but I do question the fitness level of some of the players right now. It really makes me wonder what Winter and De Klerk were working on all off season? The players seem neither super fit OR in tune with the tactics, so what were they all working on during the winter?
I see what you're saying but I see plenty of counter arguments as to why it might not be happening .. I wouldn't start with it as a base case. Don't discount the cultural aspect associated with the whole process and the language barrier. Torsen Frings is very different from the young players on this team.
And just because you're a leader and a captain, doesn't mean you're a mentor. As an example: Michael Jordan was one of the best players to ever play basketball, he was an amazing captain and leader. But he broke the shit out of multiple young guys who played on his teams and was considered my many to a shark and a terrible mentor.
Why would Werder Bremen give Frings a job as youth coach then? PR stunt?
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano