i heard they were investing more evenly across the team. not sure what that means in a cap league, but it seems like more VV/Bradley type players and less Giovinco type players.Originally Posted by MightyDM
I did read in that Vanney interview that VV was looking for DP money, VV was well aware it wouldnt happen at TFC and therefore everyone was on same page when a good offer came through
Alfredo Morales is quality, but perhaps not good enough for a DP on a team wishing to be as competitive as us. There is also the matter of his attitude.
the bigger worry is delgado, who just jumped into starting spot with all of this.
Surprised he is still on this team
I don't think people are making realistic DP suggestions. They are not going to spend the money that the names being suggested require.
1) If we go down the historical MLS DP path, I look at DP success around the league (defined as value for money).... most/all of us had never heard of most of the guys where the real value was, eg Valeri, Piatti... so we shouldn't expect that Manning will present someone we have heard of either.
2) If we really want to become a big team, like Atlanta, we should try the "Josef Martinez" model. The scouting and other infrastructure required to be a selling team and pull off an "Almiron" is vast, and I guarantee we don't have it and would have trouble acquiring it. Plus it's super risky, Barco may already be a bust. The market to go after is for Argentines or other South Americans (but probably not Brazilians, they earn a premium in Asia) that are in their mid twenties but have not found a place in the big euro leagues. They already have dealt with the "culture shock" of leaving, and may not be in a rush to go home, once they have left.
This is an example of the type of guy I am talking about. Luis Alario. A big time striker at River Plate. Out of favour at Leverkusen right now... supposedly Leverkusen want 15 million euros for him, but he didn't move at the deadline.... Leverkusen are mid table, the classic selling position, who knows if that report is accurate, could you get him for $5-7M? a guy like this would probably be an absolute superstar in MLS.
https://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/euro...rkusen-1207203
Last edited by ensco; 02-01-2019 at 10:42 AM.
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a player like Piatti would be amazing
He so good on such a shit team and you never heard a peep from him
It'll be a 10/Winger type rather than an out and out 9 like Alario or Morelos.
I'm not sure if he's allowed to move teams as he has played for two already this season but Emi Rigoni at Zenit is probably of the profile I would think they are going for.
Morelos can play the wing, but I agree with you overall
Is it a case of him being actually able to play as a winger or that he's been punted out on to the wing on occasion?
This.
We don't need to pay for Brand name players (Giovinco, David-Villa, Rooney) we need to win and buy and sell efficiently.
21/22 years old is a good time to buy, 25 is a good time to sell. I could see them going for someone 26 like Alario if they can buy low because of his form.
https://www.football365.com/news/jus...age-from-13-38 - record fee transfer by age, not median, but still worth noting.
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What's driving that is the phrase "one of the highest MLS transfer fees ever".
Punted, but still dangerous when put there imo.
I'm under the impression that theyre going to be shifting to spending big on transfer fees as opposed to salary.
You spend $5M, you make the top 10 all time
https://the18.com/soccer-entertainme...-transfer-fees
$5M is peanuts. It is exactly one third of what Southampton wants for Charlie Austin.
Last edited by ensco; 02-01-2019 at 11:25 AM.
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Yeah agreed. Chronically the most under appreciated player in the league. We need someone in this mould going forward if 4-3-3 is the plan.
So does the team get any allocation money for Giovinco?
We received $2.3 million ( I know it's likely a slightly difference amount but I'm going to work with this number). TFC pockets 3/4 of this so $1,725,000 of which we can convert $750K towards allocation money, after deducting any "out-of-pocket" expenses for the player.
So what is an out-of-pocket expense? We didn't pay a transfer fee for Gio. We did pay a DP salary. What expenses are counted? If it's salary over and above the cap hit then we wouldn't get any allocation money for VV either. I'm sure I heard an interview with someone after VV was sold that stated we gained some salary cap relief with that sale.
https://twitter.com/OlderGoaler/stat...246088704?s=19
Apparently Boyd is a done deal appears to be not a TAM signing that's good news
It is a bit above $5M now, but point still stands. There are a few players missing from that list. 10th place is Kaku now according to transfer market at about 5M pounds so just below $6.5M USD.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/majo...ettbewerb/MLS1
exactly what ive been thinking/saying since we heard that we 'were going cheaper'
Ideally the player can be a DP for the first season and then be TAM player after that. Atlanta did that with Tito Villalba. If we use this model, we could in theory sign a new DP every year.
sounds like some fun trickery
I can’t imagine MLSE knows or cares the difference between transfer fees and actual salary-it’s all player costs. It’s essentially the same thing.
I know Fellaini's name was floated as a name to come to the MLS and maybe TFC. He just signed with Shandong Luneng Taishan FC in China
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detai...r-is-completed
I just came up with an idea and tell me if this would work. If Bradley and Altidore mutually cancel their contract this year and sign for 10 million a piece for the remaining of the year then resign following two years under DP status we could keep them for the next 3 years and not have them as to DPS for the remaining two years
If the cost is 10 Million up front and then 1.5 million in salary(which seems to be market value for South American prospects), that comes to 14.5m over 3 years. Compare this to the 7m/year in salary we were paying giovinco in our current model, it becomes a pretty sizable difference. Subtract from that the transfer fee that we could receive when the player is sold in their prime, and we're spending peanuts compared to now.
Nope.
Yep. If we read between the lines this is exactly the direction we are taking. We just have to look at LAFC, Atlanta, NYRB, Dallas, D.C and NYCFC (just signed a 23 year old Romanian today for a 9 million dollar transfer fee)
Horta, Almiron, Acosta, Kaku, De Rossi are the players that are going to help fund this league along with the leagues young developed talent like Davies, Adam, Larin etc.
I see all of MLS taking this direction. Spending a 100 million on Bradley, Altidore, Defoe and Giovinco is not a sustainable model.
This is how I see MLS by 2022 as a general breakdown.
An example of how an MLS team would look in 2022:
2-3 young skilled players on 6-20 million dollar transfer fees bought when they are 20-24 years old: Martinez, Almiron, Pirez.
4 young players graduated from the acedemy or draft: Osorio, Bono, Zimmerman, Carleton.
2-3 North American reserves that aren’t awful: Hagglund, Delgado, Boyd.
3 decent young players on a free transfer or small transfer: Mavinga, Auro
3 Vererans at 500-800 k: Opara, Alonso, Guzan
2 friendly contracts: Diego Valeri, Jara
1-2 liabilities: Giovinco, Di Maria
Forward
Martinez
Giovinco
Di Maria
Boyd
Midfield:
Almiron
Valeri
Alonso
Delgado
Carleton
Defence:
Jara
Mavinga
Pirez
Opara
Zimmerman
Auro
Hagglund
G.K
Guzan
Bono
Total team salary: 30 million. MLS will raise the DP and TAM limit by 2022 and teams will have a lot more balance.
Sure, using your hypothetical numbers for a player we don’t know, that works. Point is they need to reduce the whole thing.
Yeah think the idea is a 15m transfer plus 2m a year salary over three or four years is still cheaper than Giovinco on 7m a year for four years
Right, and this is the most logic formula for doing it, while maintaining a high quality of footballer.
There is no chance that we do this. Zero. That's the Porto/Dortmund model. We don't have the resources or infrastructure.
Atlanta Atlanta Atlanta.... enough already..... for every Almiron there will be 3 Barcos... Atlanta's recruiting without Martino there, is it sustainable? I doubt it.
It's crazy, I have heard effing 100x more about Atlanta's South Americans than I have ever heard about Valeri or Piatti, the obvious gold standards of how you do the DP thing.
Every good team needs 3 or 4 great players. There are 25 or 50 of them in MLS, and a couple will be sold every year. This stuff about becoming a selling league, we have heard it all before (eg when Altidore and Edu sold for big numbers). What happens with 3 or 4 players doesn't change the business model for the other 50 top players is turned on its head overnight.
I look at what NYCFC did (just bought a 23 year old AM from Romania for 8M euros, who is on 1M a year) and I think, how could we do that deal without using a club like Man City's resources? How would we find that player, negotiate with that player, deal with the rampant corruption and weird intermediaries, convince that player to come?
Last edited by ensco; 02-01-2019 at 01:59 PM.
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