Is this guy for real??? I would not want Caldwell as our coach. I can just envision him playing Bono ahead of Q.Originally Posted by
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After some of the comments after the presser about Armas having to follow a front office plan, I wonder if he isn’t a scapegoat for Ali Curtis,
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there were several times during this horrible run when we started playing “Vanney ball” ie controlling possession; I wonder if he agreed To stick to Curtis’ plan but gave them some leash a few times.
tougn to see Bradley and Pozuelo being so wrong.
maybe what actually happened with Joey is he told Armas to grow a spine and defy Ali’s plan.
Manning looks like kind of pissed and Curtis looks scared and apprehensive. Definetly feels like Manning put his foot down.
Really strange conference. It's like they woke up this morning, saw the backlash, then made a decision. No prepared statements. You would think the guy taking over would be among your first announcements, was only mentioned because John asked, like an afterthought.
Yeah he does look mad, guy is staring at the ceiling when Ali speaks. lmao.
Manning looked like he was selling himself. Like he was on the hot seat too. Answered well
Ali had no words and looked like a deer caught in headlights. He kept repeating his script and piggy backed off of Manning multiple times. Another role being exposed big time.
I lol'ed when he was trying to elaborate on how tough it was to fire Chris and how he's never been in such a situation.
Aside from all this, I do feel for Chris and his family.
It had to be done, regardless of whether or not we can salvage this season.
I'm willing to give Manning and Curtis another kick at the can. We have had some success the last few years and I have no issues overall with player recruitment since Bez departed for Columbus. Armas was just the wrong manager with the wrong vision for this team as it's currently constructed.
Yeh, that was my take.
I would say the journos this last 2 weeks have been emboldened to ask hard pointed questions.
Noted the Manning suggestion the style change was too big an ask - Curtis tried to downplay that but Manning was way more blunt.
It sounds like he took Curtis down a bit before this meeting.
Last edited by OgtheDim; 07-04-2021 at 05:47 PM.
& yes...Vic Rauter asked a very good & tough question, in his good guy way.
Noticed that too, journos asked tough questions this time. Bill answered and appreciated, Ali looked quite nervous and lost for words (not that he ever says anything meaningful)
Are Curtis and Manning even going to be trusted to make another hire if results do not improve? Neither said much about a coaching search beginning anytime soon. Almost sounded like their future depends on what happens in the next 3 months.
Didn't Armas play a pressing style with the Red Bulls? In that case it's on Armas.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
His interim shift was just a carry on of Marsh's NYRB press and it was fine. Then in his first whole season he tried some weird press but with possession and it failed. Same as here. He repeated the same script exactly so he'll never learn.
Finally!
The season's pretty much over for us, so we have to think about bringing a really good coach to put us back on tracks and prepare for 2022.
Perez seems like a decent enough choice, because it’s interim. It’s hard to have much faith in another choice by Curtis, but maybe Manning will have to be more involved this time. Which could be a good thing because it makes them both culpable for the next choice of coach. I’d rather see Curtis or Manning or both fired first though.
Has the ring of truth Mr Loome.
I know Caldwell doesn't get much love here, but he does have his UEFA "A" licence. It's something.
Also, Manning has (indirectly) pegged his future to that of Curtis. He could and should have shown him the door. But now their fates are inextricably intertwined.
The idea of Caldwell as coach is fascinating. I can see him either being great, or the next Preki.
The tiff with Jozy is a bit of a blemish but that was brewing for a long time before Armas got here. It wouldn't surprise me to learn ultimately that Jozy's real beef was elsewhere.
Armas was, by most accounts, a gentleman, and well liked.
He joins Winter as guys that were not the right guys for the job, were in impossible situations and, I predict, like Winter, will be looked back on in time with more of a feeling of sympathy and affection.
I hope he makes lots of dough from his brief stint here and lands on his feet.
Also congratulations to him on the Leon tie. That was something special, playing the kids and getting that.
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“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
That presser..... Most work Curtis has ever done.
Last edited by Brooker; 07-04-2021 at 11:07 PM.
As I wrote in the Armas thread, Manning (as he needed to highlight himself in the press conference) had a good track record over the years. X number of MLS Cups, Y Number of Supporter Shields and Z number of playoff appearances. He was cruising along.
Then comes Ali Curtis who seemed to have tried to instill a top down approach after Vanney left. Maybe the reason Vanney left? It has blown up spectacularly, whatever this was turned a top team into a laughing stock. I cant think of any other MLS team that went from top of the league to complete disaster over 4 months.
Manning was siting pretty now his reputation is completely trashed because he believed in Curtis giving him a 5 year contract! And presiding over Armas' 3 year contract. He will be under imnmense scrutiny for handing out 2+ million $ to the backroom staff that haven't justified it. Not even going to get into the bad player signings/re-signings like Dwyer, Morrow, Lawrence (great at NYRB, nothing special at TFC).
Last edited by SirBobSaget; 07-04-2021 at 11:11 PM.
Wow, TFC has had a ton of problems with player recruitment and signings under Curtis.
Yeah, I had the same feeling.
(I have just watched the conference now.)
Plus Curtis said absolutely nothing meaningful in the smallest... but what else one can expect of him?
Not too much more to say about this situation, I will just copy here what I have posted in the presser's Youtube comments section:
At minimum, Curtis should have been fired too, even if of course Manning is "guilty" too in the same way as Curtis in this disastrous season (and not only - the warning signs were here in how they managed everything in the last 2 years or so...).
I am firmly convinced that until both these clowns are in these positions, TFC will never be the team with the results which should be expected given the resources and the supporter base of this club.
Ultimately, the MLSE board is at fault here, because being a multi-billion corporate entity, also with many sports teams owned, they simply do not care enough about TFC's on field performances. TFC is considered a very distant third fiddle in importance after the Maple Leafs and Raptors, both also owned by MLSE.
Something interesting to watch now:
If in the next few matches TFC will play a LOT better as a team, or more importantly, a LOT better individually than in the last 3-4 ones (even if the results would be the same points-wise in the standings), that will be a very clear indication that an important chunk of the roster have stopped playing for Armas in these last 3-4 matches.
This because no matter what, a new interim coach will not make that much of an impact in a very short time, to suggest otherwise.
Definitely did not leave you with the impression they are up for this job, Ali especially.
Note Leiweke was so good at this sort of pageantry it had the aspect of making TFC look bigger than what it is. Meanwhile, what we saw yesterday and plenty of times before, leaves you with the impression TFC isn’t even a professional outfit.
We are owned by a couple of media companies and our management team is failing at producing content. Can that really be ignored by the powers that be?
Some thoughts on whose next here.. all speculation of course
https://mlsmultiplex.com/2021/07/04/...xt-head-coach/
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