One good read about the old school is in Kloke's book - reading up on how managers like MoJo didn't really do training beyond "throw the ball out there after basic stretching". This continued right up to Vanney.
One good read about the old school is in Kloke's book - reading up on how managers like MoJo didn't really do training beyond "throw the ball out there after basic stretching". This continued right up to Vanney.
Let's slow down a bit.
Trusted curtis- he didnt even interview many others for the position he passed off to a friend/colleague he had previous playing experience with. How is this a sign of a good leader- you generally want to hire the best or at the very minimum interview extensively .
Any good leader- wouldnt allow DP Jozy to be banished, wouldnt allow curtis to treat supporters like nobodies(the lack of communication is a big red flag-like he knows better/is better than to communicate with the supporters)
Quickly ended- TFC has 5 points, and has conceded more goals than all of last season combined- I would say he is about three to four games too late - team morale could be significantly impacted.
shitty leader would let it go on- manning didnt do anything until TFC had the worst loss in history, the 5th worse loss in league history, team allowing 7 goals when the opposition scored a total of 11 goals prior to this game, and lastly had to wait for innebriatti to light a fire under Manning to do something.
Unfortunately manning should be on the hot seat, it all started with the way he handle Seba's contract and Jozy- trying to strong arm north american sports business into soccer, big red flag- ego popping out here.
The fact, he hired a friend with very little credentials or merit, the fact that many of the red bulls supporters and TFC saw how this would be an issue prior to even one game.
Don't forget about, the signings that made TFC look like fools and ended up paying much more for Poz.
Really he should be hiring someone to run operations for him who will hire a GM and a competent coach who can maximize the best out of the roster, instead of trying to bend players will to their vision/strategy.
The last misstep is how do you provide continuity to build on successful season , close to winning supporters shield, fresh of a finals appearance.
The proof of concept has been in front of his face for many seasons and he decides to try to be cute.
he needs to go.
and the fact he had to highlight his "winning resume" speaks volumes that he is insecure about his future and had to sell hard that he knows what he is doing, when in fact, ever since Tim L left its all been going down hill.
At least the raptors have it correct, although they had a terrible season, every move made especially now in hindsight was the right one.
I don't think this matters much at all since it's the Belgium way. If we're going to be outraged over a couple million more then the President of Lille should be fired for David's signing (same thing happened) and is happening now with Yaremchuk. It's the Belgium way to screw around, say they have no cover and waste time all to get a few more bucks. Argentina has their quirks, Brazil has theirs, and this is the Belgium transfer quirk that prospective buyers need to be prepared for.
The proof of concept hasbeen in front of his face for many seasons and he decides to try to be cute.he needs to go.
On the whole, you're right.
He really fucked the dog by trusting an old colleague. He probably though Curtis was brilliant from conversational depth and outward self-confidence in his own ideas.
But someone can display considerable depth of intellect in one area of thinking but be quite terrible at others, due to the compartmentalized nature of various neurological functions.
In other words, you can have a photographic memory that makes you seem like a genius, but be curtailed by immaturity that prevents depth of consideration, or by poor comprehension skills due to slow development of the ability to compare and contrast.
Equally, you can have brilliant comprehension skills that make you able to understand or analyze situations well, but have poor recall or inattention that leads to missing details necessary for the ideal analysis.
It's why track record and seeing steady improvement in someone's history are so important to determining how they'll likely behave. No one who honestly analyzed Armas' performance in New York thought it was going to go smoothly here. But because of allowing personal biases into the mix, Manning's ability to see reality was strongly curtailed.
Having said that, I've made the same mistake -- albeit with less money at stake -- and survived it. Hell, I did it two or three times for differing reasons of sympathy. I once hired a former bank robber who'd been a great political reporter before his alcohol-fueled, shotgun-aided run on Calgary banks. There were issues that prevented it from working, as one might expect, but he was a good guy. Stupid hire, though. I should've seen some pretty obvious signs that other employers weren't just "not giving me a chance", as the guy lamented, but sussing out personality problems.
So I suspect Manning survives this IF he nails the landing. But that's the tough part; he's always walked into sweetheart setups, in Tampa, in RSL, where the team had a coach and lineup that was competitive. Same here.
Now he has to make it really work. And if he doesn't, it's unlikely he'll get the same "step back and reboot" chance he got with the NFL twenty years ago. Once you're over fifty, boy do those phones stop ringing.
I agree. This interim hire and full time hire will dictate whether he survives. I think in the meantime Curtis is demoted to yes man and guy writing up contracts. If this hire goes poorly then both are toast. I think if even the interim goes badly or mediocre it might mean the end of Curtis as it's directly due to his insistance on Armas that left us with minimal mid season options.
Yeah, and from Manning's body language, I'm betting he asked "Are you certain?" more than a few times, based on how the end of Armas' NY tenure went.
It might just be that both seriously underestimated the growth in the league's tactical requirements and that players aren't of the same uniquely workman-like pedigree of MLS 1.0 players, who were largely taught they could play anywhere and adjust to anything, because their opposition were also journeymen and pluggers.
Olsen, Mo, Yallop.... they all espoused this philosophy that roles and tactics weren't that important, that it was still up to the individual player's skillset. But that's ancient history; teams in the Premiership that play that way get demolished. Ask Jozy about his time at Sunderland, the most selfish of teams I've seen at that level, where players largely did whatever they wished on the pitch.
Someone quoted a book yesterday about TFC's early days, maybe the DeRo book, not sure. But the quote was something about MO just treating training session as kickabouts. The Don Revie--Higuain approach of "a good player can play with a cigarette hanging from his lip". A lot of players go into management still believing their egocentric take that they mostly did it all themselves.
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They did screwed up with that. They did that here, with all our salary and roster restrictions, not in Belgium. Maybe the Belgians don't think the transaction made TFC look like fools, but MLS and MLSE folks might. And they certainly stressed out & pissed off plenty of TFC fans. This was an issue that started under Bill Manning and Bez; can't fault Curtis as much on this, although his glacial pace of decision making and player signings probably didn't help.
As ensco wrote in one of the threads: they thought they had the upper hand with Seba and Jozy. They thought they could force them to start the last year of their contracts w/o an extension in place. Note I don't think they should have overpaid for Seba or Jozy; just negotiated earlier. After Seba helped set personal and team records, they wouldn't even honour the option year on his contract. I doubt Seba would have accepted it, but for the team not to even offer the option year, given his performance, was an unwarranted slap to the face.
They could have negotiated with Seba earlier; let him go to Saudi Arabia at the start of their transfer window. Then they could have signed Poz on a free w/o any extra costs, delays or transfer soap, at the time when he was negotiating with a Middle Eastern club in early 2019. Poz would have had a rest after a lengthy season; trained with TFC from the start; and been available for CCL which would have helped with the shit show we saw there in 2019.
Seba called their bluff and ditched them. The Poz signing was late and tortured. And to placate the higher-paying SSH that were pissed about losing Seba, they signed Jozy to a bad panic deal (and had no alternative to Jozy lined up to sign instead). They were in a bad bargaining position as a result, Jozy's agent knew that and got what he wanted from TFC.
What was shocking in all of this is that when Seba to Saudi started to unfold they elected to panic sign Jozy (injured and in decline) instead of up their offer and fight to keep the best player in MLS history.
I found it laughable watching Jozy argue for an extension at the same time as Seba to be honest. Like Robin arguing to be treated like Batman.
(FTR: I thought they should have sold Jozy that year, and held firm on a slight and not major Seba pay decrease.)
So I just found this
Should we be coming up with Doctor nicknames for him?He already has a Ph.D in Exercise Physiology, a UEFA PRO license from Royal Spanish Football Federation – one of three coaches in Spain to have both honors, and studied at some of the top clubs across Europe.
It's from this article https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club...perez_aid24036 couple of familiar names on his first US U18 roster.
Pump the brakes a little bit on last night
Perez made a basic error in the subs.
He only did 3 & did them all as singles. If we had a non-concussion injury after Seteldo was subbed off, we would have been skrewed.
And, the subs were a tad late.
It might just be a matter of that’s who he trusts. Others were probably short odds to get on the field no matter the circumstances. I don’t disagree with it given how badly the team needed a win. Hand was also forced slightly with guys cramping.
We’ll see in subsequent games. But, to me, the use of Endoh and DeLeon, and some of the other moves suggest this guy will be a suitable interim hire. Sort of a hard-ass, read straight from the playbook type, with no curveballs. Nobody looked overjoyed to be playing for him, he won’t be a Chris Cummings “players coach” . He’s probably good for 5 games or so to prevent the ship from taking on any more water.
Doubt he’ll be the permanent hire. That said, perhaps I’ll be proven wrong. Not much you can do with a team on 2 days notice.
https://www.tsn.ca/toronto-fc-set-to...ason-1.1665414
Bradley has positive words about Perez. He would, of course. But still nice to know there's some history there from work with nats.
So Bradley, Omar and Jozy know him from USMNT
Bono and Delgado from US 18's
Ayo might be familiar with him from U20's too
So the interim will remain in place for the rest of the season. Do Manning and Curtis do anything that isn’t an exercise in buying more time?
When Curtis finally gets around to dealing with the Altidore situation, Jozy’s contract will have been expired for 6 months
I agree there is no need to rush hire someone but I am wary given the process we just concluded. Mid 2020 it should have been clear to Curtis and Manning that Vanney wasn’t coming back (you don’t sit on an offer like that unless you have no intention of signing it). They basically waited and then took the entire offseason to perform a search and rushed Armas in the door shortly before training camp.
Now, we’ve got an interim manager “for the rest of the year”. Just wait for the rushed process in this offseason, followed by the desire to have new players that meet the new managers style that can’t be found for at least another window, followed by some other thing they can’t quite figure out for an extended period of time.
They’ll have to extend Curtis and Manning’s contracts again just to deal with the backlog.
Edit: let’s not forget a lot of the market for coaches will drive off of the euro offseason and not necessarily North America. So they theoretically have options now, they might not have in six months. Maybe not better ones, but at least different.
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I would think they're hoping Perez succeeds and we squeak into the playoffs or come real close to it. Then it will be considered a positive recovery and like "a miracle" after the Armas bust then they'll name Perez as the premanent manager to add some feelgood-ness to it all.
I would still prefer Alonso but I gave Armas a shot even though I didn't want to so Perez deserves the same.
Perez basically claiming he is manager just because nobody has said otherwise and daring Manning not to name him.
In a different world, Perez would get fired for doing this. Pour encourager les autres, as Napoleon said about his practice of purging a general every month.
Most amusing, and speaks to the weak position Manning and Curtis are in.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
I think that's a stretch. That's pretty much what I say about projects and various things I do at work myself. I am doing it unless I hear otherwise. If it's anything like my case, it's because he probably rarely sees or hears from the bosses so he has no idea what's up. In that case you just go business as usual until told different.
I just saw a tweet from Sportsnet that said TFC is naming an interim coach in "the next few days."
You are right, in in way, that is how the real world works… but it isn’t how the culture of football works, where the role of the press is important (unlike your workplace).
There is a clearly understood meaning to interim and they did not appoint Perez interim. In fact, they buried him in the presser Sunday. They gave him the NE game and nothing else.
So Perez asserting that he is the manager until told otherwise is kind of brash, and points out to the world that they aren’t communicating with him. All he had to say was “I will do whatever I am asked” and he and Manning both know it.
Listen, like I said, I like it. People are going to be taking runs at Curtis and Manning now. Sometimes you gotta grab the ring. Go Javier!
Last edited by ensco; 07-08-2021 at 02:55 PM.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
As someone who works in government, I have to really appreciate this quote from Curtis in all its non-sensical and ambiguous glory:
"(The) goal is to name a permanent interim (coach) prior to Monday training, likely before that.”
Yeah, ballsy move.
My experience in getting promoted repeatedly despite being kind of nuts at the time is they don't care as long as you come good; but ballsy and speaking your mind when it really matters pretty much always beats staying quiet and taking it up the rump. Nobody ever got anywhere by not doing anything (okay, completely untrue in business where quiet easy going guys are peter princpled all the fucking time. But it sounded good).