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Ah yes, the foundational moment where the next Messi plays keep it up in a park by him/herself.
You need a permit to play ball sports point blank. You can scrawl a mural on Queen’s Park or stab someone in the head with a ski pole but that doesn’t make it legal, even if no one finds out.
Also, tons of kids are actually interested in football. More than something like baseball, for that matter.
Which makes it interesting how much money they are losing when paying out next to nothing.
I agree with you though. Why bother? I get the TV ratings are good but that's going to start falling fast when the CFL generation starts dying off and that's coming soon.
In reality, the whole league should just fold. It's just too regional and on the downward.
Are you incapable of admitting you’re wrong?
That’s what organized sport is, lol. I’m not saying it’s enforced or that it’s justified, just that the bylaw curbing sports in parks exists.
If a bunch of adults show up and play football in the park it isn’t legal either. If a kid stabs someone in the head with a ski pole it’s not okay either. I can play obnoxiously loud music at 4am and no one is going to arrest me either despite it being against bylaws.
I feel like in the short-term it will help us on international recruiting (like how they took Pozo to games, can brag you're going to see the defending champs) but hurt domestically in terms of casual fans watching and buying tickets (although the Blue Jays being terrible helps us in this manner )
Not sure I would question Tim Horton's long term viability based on multi-culturalism? Yes, Tims is ubiquitous but when a McD's is with a Tims in a mall food court, the Tim's is busier for coffee in the morning.
Tims is now everywhere in this city for a reason - most people have no idea how coffee should taste & thus mask it with sugar & creme.
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Which reminds me - how come I can't get a decent cup of coffee from a brand at BMO?
No effect at all , TFC is a very niche thing. It is what it is , just be happy that a pro soccer team that plays in maybe the 10th. best soccer league in the world gets decent crowds of 20000 or more a game. Like someone mentioned there are Toronto sports fans that follow the Raptors, Leafs and Jays that don’t even know what TFC is . As a hardcore soccer fan I’m jealous that the sport I love is not even close or probably never be close to popularity as the other big three sports. Moreover, I’m so jealous at how the Raptors turned this city upside down with their run to the championship. So jealous at the celebration I witnessed all over the Toronto area after the Raptors won, something I didn’t witness when TFC won the MLS Cup where after leaving the stadium that night after the MLS Cup I saw no celebrations anywhere in Toronto streets . I know I shouldn’t care lol but I cared . I guess I should just be happy that we have a pro soccer team in Toronto that is at least a bit relevant compared to all the years that we had no team at all. I get it lol but it still bothers me lol it’s just the way I’m made up .
Last edited by SoccMan2; 06-15-2019 at 05:56 PM.
It is what it is. Thursday night was nuts. I am not even much of a basketball fan, a casual observer but I was drawn down to watching in one of the overflow areas of Jurassic Park down Bremner. When they won I took it all in walking from Scotia Bank Arena up to College and Yonge and it was nuts, the sheer number of people out, especially in and around Dundas Square. Even when I got off the subway at Yonge and Eg. it was still going on strong. On the other hand the night of the MLS Cup once you left the BMO Field/Liberty Village area ie Shoeless Joes you never would have known the Reds had just won the Championship. Even with all the media coverage they had received during the playoffs it was not enough to get the city to care in mass. I have always said since 2007 Toronto FC was a in stadium experience for most people in the stadium. It was two hours of entertainment and then they went on with their lives. I don't see much of correlation between the Raps success and having any real effect for the Reds. Hey the big question for me is if the Raps have a bad season or two do they fall back to nights of 14-13K or less in the building or are they beyond that point ala the Leafs. Heck a lot of us here will remember the perk of being a TFC season ticket holder, a pair of lower bowl tickets to a Raptors game.
Last edited by Red CB Toronto; 06-16-2019 at 09:58 AM.
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The Raptors success will have zero influence on TFC.
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Maybe the TFC success reflected onto the Raptors ehh hmmm !
Yeah, Liberty Village was great but I remember friends and I driving around downtown that night and it was typical Saturday traffic. We cared too LOL!!
I am more hopeful than you are. I don't know how old you are but the increase in the popularity of the sport at least here in the GTA has been amazing during the past 25 years. Coverage of the local game was NON-EXISTENT back then. It may take another 25 years for the needle to be moved again significantly but the game is doing okay right now IMHO.
I watched game 6 of the Final at Jurassic Park West in Mississauga. Saw quite a bit of TFC gear on people.
Makes me think there is quite a bit of overlap between the fan bases. Although the Raps Championship will have no effect on TFC directly, I like to think 2017 was the prelude to this Raptors victory.
I think Manning was one to say there's overlap between two fanbases similar to Leafs and Argos.
Given both TFC and Raptor players go to each other games and generally supporting each other, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone on here. For an example, Siakam was wearing TFC jersey during one of his press conferences not too long ago.
History, yes.
Canadian only, not by a long shot.
Canadian Premier league isn't even Canadian only but they at least put Canadians more forward.
i didn't vote.
It's pretty apparent that if the Raptors affected TFC it would be less of a deal for us. Still more of a deal than TFC winning it better before the Raptors did it.
Last edited by Fort York Redcoat; 06-18-2019 at 06:35 PM.
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Think thats simplifying it a bit. I don't know many younger Leaf fans who care that the Argos exist. You saw Leaf players at every Raps Playoff game, and through the year. Different people like different things, its cool.
Bringing this back to TFC, they didn't do themselves any favours expanding the fan base last season, they need to be good again to grow things. TFC I think was, maybe still is, slowly expanding that fan base across the city but last year was definitely a set back. We'll see what's still to come this year. Otherwise you stay with the same 23,000 at every match and very small TV viewership.
It's age-related. Among people aged 60+ there's a pretty good overlap between Argos and Leafs, and the Boomer demographic is huge for TV. I have some friends in that age range. Most couldn't care less that the Raptors won.
I expect that younger Leafs fans (under 30) would be more into Raptors and TFC.
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I'd put that more to 40 and under. I'm 41, never had an interest in the Argos in my life, I dont know any of my friends that have. Raptors? That was pretty big for most of my friends growing up, we were old enough to get to games at the Skydome on our own, and grewup watching Jordan, Bird, Magic and Isaiah. Then we had a team of our own. Same story when TFC came along.
The base being 23K is actually amazing considering the year we went through. We got 23.5K after a demoralising loss 3 days before in Utah, against a no-name San Jose team on a Sunday night.
I think it could go down if there were years of Jays level mediocrity no hopeness but this braintrust is not cool with that.