Wenger lol.
Wenger lol.
My issue with the Vanney hiring at the time was that he was given an interim tag and then promoted to full time after a shitty interim showing. Additionally the guy had no experience.
If Vanney goes I'm sticking with this evaluation of a hiring: experience and a recent history of winning.
I think Vanney has done an excellent job as coach.
i opposed his hiring - he was tactically naive, said "we will be on the front foot from kickoff” with a group of players who couldn't do that, and as a result trailed almost every team 1-0 in the run to end his first season. I believed then, and believe now, that we would have been in the pussplops if Nelsen had remained for the rest of the year.
But he has proven me wrong. He has coached well, often adapted tactically, and most of all he won.
My concerns now are a little different - differential treatment of young canadians, lack of personnel, and constant injuries. The last two are on Manning/ Curtis and the training staff, respectively. On the first, its a blind spot but he is weak on their development. I don’t get it - Others have analysed it previously .
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Wow, Monaco is on its third manager this year! The guy who took over from Henry only last 20 days!!
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
Yeah, I don’t see suitable coaches for this league as some kind of scarce resource. We might not immediately know the names of potential candidates but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist (they most certainly do).
It’s just a function of knowing the market and what you’re looking for. Is anyone here really going to claim they spend their time scouring USL or other similarly unglamorous places to understand who might be a suitable MLS coach for domestic options? Or have their finger or what a reasonable non-domestic option might be?
Literally the club can define their ideal candidate as practically anything, so it’s impossible for us to guess.
Case and point would anyone have guessed or chose Vanney prior to Bez hiring him into the academy?
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Name one that would be willing to come to MLS. Too many fans live in an imaginary world where one of the top EPL/Spanish/Italian coaches will drop their chance to to be in the Champions League to coach Toronto. Not gonna happen. Not now, probably not ever. Even Alex Ferguson (who once wanted to immigrate to Canada - imagine that) isn't going to immigrate and come out of retirement to coach Toronto FC.
Now if by "top coach" you mean that you may dig someone up in the Norwegian second division I'll believe you. I'm not sure that would be an upgrade.
The foreign coaches who have come to MLS mostly have been up and coming assistants who wanted a chance to coach a first team, not "proven winners" which is what people want for any replacement.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
Yeah, you’re definitely misreading something here. Where did I say a world class coach would come to Toronto FC? I just said there are plenty of managers available.
Would they come? Probably not.
That said, if your bag of money is big enough some are sure to. It’s the same principle that motivates players to come to MLS or go to China in the first place.
No one would come to MLS if we paid the same as elsewhere unless there was an ulterior motive.
Replacement managers can be found but finding one willing to
- come to MLS
- to Toronto
- where they are not fully in charge
- to a place where the star building blocks for the next 2 years are already mostly chosen
- one who fits a style of play Curtis & Manning are willing to work with
- willing to communicate as much as MLS/MLSE expects
reduces the pool a lot.
I would hope Curtis & Manning have people in mind but the pool is a lot less then people think.
This would be my answer as well
And if you are looking at past managers that have been successful in this league, Vanney isn't too far off from some of the other names that would be tossed around. I don't think You would be getting a superior replacement from that pool.
Suitable coaches, sure. Better than Vanney? Not so much. Look how hard it is to replace a Goal score like Seba. Lots of strikers out there too
This is quite slanted.
The club has facilities and a budget most other teams in this league do not. The city is very liveable compared to a lot of other markets (but maybe Columbus is appealing, what do I know?). We have nothing to indicate Manning and Curtis are going to demand their style of play be used (it certainly hasn’t changed much for Vanney). Almost nobody operates in a vacuum without different layers of management these days.
This is a top 10 (or more likely top 5) job for a MLS coach, easily.
If you want the equivalent player you’ll have to spend equivalent money. If MLSE was willing to pony up the same cash they did when Giovinco first signed I don’t think this would be much of an issue.
Not really.
Slanted as in what occurs?
Not everybody wants to move to North America
Not everybody wants to come to a cold climate
Not everybody wants to manage in a place where they don't call the player acquisition shots
Not everybody wants to deal with a salary cap / DP league
Not everybody wants to play in a style Manning / Curtis who call the shots would work with
Not everybody wants to have to do (or can do) a press conference post game, interview mid game, 20 minute off record talk with TSN pundits 2 days before (not many people know about those), & 2 pressers at the training ground (I have a strong suspicion that MLSE would not accept a non-English speaking manager)
That's just reality.
There is a LOT of moving out of the comfort zone that comes with going to MLS from South America, Mexico or Europe.
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So then we look within MLS circles
Who out there is available & as good as Vanney & willing to deal with not being top dog?
6 months ago, most of us would have said Porter - you seen how he is doing this season?
Who?
Probably a good assistant somewhere. Not exactly the name brand people would want.
You all know there are plenty of clubs/cities in Europe where its cold as shit in winter and you play under a sporting director/DOF?
Also, no coach in South America has direct control over the roster.
I still say whenever Vanney leaves his position, if Curtis is still here, then the next manager is someone from the NYRB system past or present.
Thank you. It's not a stretch to say it's a big world and there are potential candidates at any given time. If we move on it's not like we're looking for the next coach of Manchester United here.
To be clear, think Vanney did a great job for a few years. However, at this point i feel like the requirements of the coach have changed and maybe the players have tuned him out a bit. New scenery could be good for both parties.