The new post-Leiweke motto:
Why can’t we be ordinary?!
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
After all that's happened this off season, TFC *has* to have a Town Hall meeting with supporters to explain their vision and so we can asked them questions. Right now I see a divergence between Front Office direction and Fan expectations and that has to be addressed if we don't want to see an acrimonious season.
I love town halls more than the next fan. It is frankly the last thing that TFC has to do. They have a training camp, they are trying to replace their star, their attacking midfielder, they only have one MLS level keeper. They have a GM who has been on the job for weeks. "Vision" is talk. It is time for action. The CCL games loom. The MLS season is where this team will show their worth....
On a positive note, this is the most active the forums have been in ages!
I’ll hold fire until we see the next steps. Our Captain needs to speak - if we lose him...it’s a disaster.
For me we at least have to announce that he has signed an extension and then that we have signed a new exciting DP. If we can re-sign Jozy as well even better.
If the DP is a let down and both Jozy and Michael play down the contracts then this is going to be a shit season. I’m hopeful that this Saudi thing - which might have affected Giovinco last season solve some of the locker room discontent from last year.
[QUOTE=Still Kicking;1886153]Sorry Seba fans, but I saw this coming. Giovinco's 2018 season peaked with the CCL (and had he come through in the final -second leg, he could have had a new contract, but he did have a tendency to not come through in big games, he might have sealed his TFC fate then).
Oh Bullshit!!! How about the 2 goals on a platter he created for Delgado at BMO and Mexico and both were missed by shitty Delgado.
Who setup the goals in the 2017 final?
red Bull playoff game?
Semi final CCL free kicks?
Hmmm no show in big games my ass!
Who took this team from worst to first and sold out the stadium and jerseys and concessions etc..
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we are also seeing the flaws of media ownership of a team. With the departure of Kurt from the Sun, the Sportsnet and TSN journalists are a little compromised - they are being quite careful in how they talk about management - only really Neil Davidson left who will have sources and is completely independent , and he has a lot to do beyond TFC. Hard to get the straight goods.
[QUOTE=InDa_110;1886185]i love seba.best player ever,his game is and was slowing down a bit...5 or so missed pks and he could not hit the net on his famous free kicks at all during the mls season.he took the money,30 mil euros.good for him its all about the money.
My read of the situation is that the Saudi thing happened over the last 1-2 weeks. There was no indication in that KJ interview that an offer was sitting there to be signed. In fact he just expressed frustration that TFC wouldn’t come to the table. I bet that interview actually spurred the Saudis to take a shot.
The whole contract issue itself may have been a distraction. As it is for Jozy and Bradley too. Hell there were people on this board pointing it out last summer and asking the question why we weren’t extending then.
The thing I find funny about some of the fans here and on social media is that they take Seba’s word as the truth and not that he is trying to spin it as it’s all the FO fault. From what I have been told from people close to Seba is he was willing to take a pay cut was only based on getting a long term deal ie 4 plus years. He’s been angling to leave since after we won the cup. My comment isn’t to absolve the FO, just trying to shine light on the whole picture
Will he be missed sure, but at the end of the day the club was here before him and will be here long after he retires. A lot of us have been here since day 1, we have seen the utter disaster this club has been. I truly believe we will not slide back to that. It’s a reset on the squad. TFC revolutionized the league when Seba, Bradley and Jozy arrived, but in doing so they had to overpay to acquire the players. Then Atlanta tweaked the model. So instead of spending almost 9 million more than any other club you can lower the wage bill and still be competitive.
I've thought about and have been following how the Giovinco situation unfolded these past few days. Like many of you, I'm heartbroken that he's leaving for the memories that were provided to us, but I'm much more disappointed and disgusted with him than in management or anything else, and I'm not upset that he's gone with the way he's chosen to go out. As far as management is concerned, they may have botched the progression of Giovinco's time here. I stress the term "may have", because I don't think the two sides were ever close and that's why there wasn't much point in having a discussion before this.
You've all seen it, the incessant whining, the lack of self awareness, etc. He was the highest paid player in the league for a reason, to do the job of being its best player and to transform the organization, and he was paid very handsomely for that. He seems to think that he deserves to be paid MORE for past performance, because let's face it, he's been on the decline since 2017, so it certainly isn't for future performance. Somewhere, you have to draw the line. His scathing instagram post towards management is really icing on the cake of where his head is at, though it's clear he wasn't the one who actually wrote the post. I unconditionally refuse to believe someone who says management is not committed to winning when the following things are reportedly true:
- TFC offered him similar money to Josef Martinez, a player who has outperformed Giovinco in the last 2 years. His salary would have still remained higher than the likes of Wayne Rooney. If you've been following Giovinco since he got here in 2015, he's not the same player and has clearly declined some. One would be daft to believe he's not going to continue in this direction.
- He chose to go to Saudi Arabia, to win? Win what in Saudi Arabia? The lifestyle there resembles nothing of that here too and not in a good way, hearing from friends who worked there.
- They're paying him $10 Million a year. Nobody else was offering that money and TFC would have been stupid to match or even come close.
It's clear that the party not committed to winning and making a proper lifestyle choice was Giovinco. This was always and only ever about getting a maximum pay day and not about "home", whatever that means. Shame on you, Seba, though I guess this behaviour consistent with his incessantly whiny attitude which I quickly came to loathe. With that disgusting and unnecessary instagram post, he's tarnished his legacy here in my mind. There's no reason why he couldn't have gone out on a high in his goodbye message that would have immortalized him.
Thanks for the memories, I guess, but don't let the door hit you on the way out.
His wife will sure enjoy living over there.