Vanney seemed pretty confident the evidence of tapes is conclusive as to what happened. Whether the league does anything is another matter.
Vanney seemed pretty confident the evidence of tapes is conclusive as to what happened. Whether the league does anything is another matter.
If I was a betting man
Both red cards overturned
Fines for both teams
Fines for both coaches
My bet is no reductions or anything of the sort happens. They won't show up Petrescu. They probably need to add some big fines to make a stronger statement about how wrong this was. That's what I expect.
The two videos I have seen are compelling watching, kind of mesmerizing (can we put Vanney yelling “get the eff out of here” on a loop on the scoreboard pre game) ... but really show nothing in terms of who started it.
Unfortunately, Jozy's act late in the first half in that skirmish has sealed his fate. I suspect, even if somehow NY landed the first punch, his retaliation will have been violent enough to keep the red card on the books.
The only way this changes is if some sort of evidence comes out that shows that this was obviously premeditated by NY - if it was, there will be heavy additional fines and suspensions on NY.
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"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
They let Jozy and Seba be hacked game after game. Jozy because he is bigger then anyone, defenders can do about anything they please, and Seba is routinely hacked and tripped and nothing. It has to get frustrating. AND despite all of this, despite the red card, they still had to call two goals back for them to win. THEN THEY SAY THAT WE ARE LUCKY TO GET THROUGH!!!!!!!!!! What bull shit.
not sure what you mean as NYRB players and staff were very clearly in TFC's tunnel area, far away from where they're change room is - if the security video shows NYRB's came after Jozy into TFC area I can't see how they can't reverse the red card and add massive fines to NY
Can we have a "get the @#$%" out of here! - Greg Vanney" tifo for when Red Bulls come to BMO next season?
Clearly it was NYRB game plan to unsettle us, and the fuckers carried it out with precision. And the pathetic MLS refs let it get out of hand early. But, even if there is conclusive evidence that Klejstan and NYRB instigated the tunnel incident, it's not likely going to affect Jozy's red if he reacted violently to it. Retaliation always gets punished. Otherwise, what's the argument to be made? ... that Klejstan was going to kill him? and Jozy threw him against a wall in total self-defence cause his life was in danger? Not likely. You could see Jozy was steaming. Personally, i think the best outcome is that Jozy's red gets downgraded to yellow, and he is out one game. I don't even want to think that he could be out for the rest of the playoff run with a red for violent conduct.
well i guess we have to wait and see
if, as Nick Hagglund said in his interview on the TFC site, and others have concurred, that he saw Klejstan come into TFC's tunnel area and grab Jozy from behind then one could very well say it was a self defensive reaction.
if there's video evidence and eye witnesses - then we'll see.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
What are the odds of a $50-100K fine levied against each organization by the MLS DisCo as a deterrent to teams mucking it up?
It’s becoming farcical how much content about the dust up is on the MLS page, and yet no official word on any review of the incident.
Really not a good look for the league.
MLS is looking like shyte right now.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
i watched the replay of the game and i was shocked on how much praise the tsn boys were giving the njrbullshite,especially caldwell drooling over adams and mr push in the back Long,apparently its not a foul when you push somebody in the back in the playoffs .caldwell is brutal ....
It's probably best to take our lumps and have Jozy serve the suspension for the first game. Best case scenario is the wipe out the yellow/red (whatever was issued in the hall), which would still leave him at 1 yellow for the game in CLB. Could the refs be itching for the first opportunity to give him another so he misses the game in Toronto? That's not something we would want to see.
We can squeeze out some positives in CLB, and even if it is a loss, Jozy and Seba will come back to the home game raging to score 10 goals each, and with our support we could absolutely annihilate CLB.
As for the videos - at this point - who cares. None of them show how it started, and I dont think we've even seen any with Jozy in the video. We see mid way to the end. Woopdeedoo. It's entertaining, and does show NYRB in an area they shouldnt be... but that isn't really helpful. Video would have to be footage we haven't seen yet, including (but not limited too) stadium security footage.
It's interesting if they have police witnesses. Anyone from the club will be thrown out because of bias I'm sure. But a police statement cannot be ignored.
I'm curious about what the police are able to do in situations like these. You have possible assault charges, and a criminal trespass could be argued as well since it is an area of the stadium they aren't allowed to be.
I am not saying charges should be filled, but it creates an interesting "what if" had the police decided to step in.
2007 - Chile
2017 - NYRB
ESPN's match report indicates they were straight reds, not second cautions.
That means now it's up to the Independent Review Panel, consisting of one representative each from the U.S. Soccer Federation, Canadian Soccer Association and Professional Referee Organization to rescind his red card.
You could see cops in the videos pulling RB players away from the fight - at one point one of the cops had his arms around Klejstan.
They can lay assault charges. The details escape me, but in a particular brutal NHL hit once when a team was playing the leafs a player was charged and had a warrant out for him the next time he came into Canada. It was at the time deemed a joke at the time "boys will be boys - let the refs sort it out" but in reality it was assault.
See this link for a few others.
http://toronto.citynews.ca/2016/02/0...minal-charges/
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I'm sure there is footage that was shot from the very beginning. There are loads of people in the tunnel club, and everyone films everything all the time now anyway. The cops probably collected all the footage they needed at the time to see if criminal charges would be required - which I doubt they will - but maybe MLS will also get their hands on this. What we see on social is the leftovers.
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2015 - Columbus, New England, Montréal
2016 - NYCFC (Leg 2 Conference Semis), Montréal (Leg 1 Conference Final)
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2019 - Montréal, NYCFC (Eastern Conference Semi @ Citi Field), Seattle (MLS Cup Final)
Can we put Vanney screaming “WHY ARE YOU HERE?” on a tifo