And for the people who want Nicol, why is New England playing so much better without him this year? Can't Toronto do better than Nicol?
Collection of strange stuff thrown on the football pitch!
http://www.ultras-tifo.net/news/244-...the-pitch.html
Yes the team needs stability, so why hire an interim coach from outside of the organization to replace him with a full time coach in a few months? Just get full time replacement now. I just don't see any reason to give it to Nicol and include Mariner. What has Mariner done to improve the current situation
We need someone that can better implement the attacking game we're built for, and has better experience and knowledge of MLS and the North American game. Caleb Porter is high on my list.
Afternoon all,
Talk around here at the moment is pretty much centered on one thing. We all have our opinions, and we all have a love for the club, the one thing I don't think we have right now, however, is a unity in how to get things sorted out.
Coming on to an internet forum and venting is a great thing, however, it achieves very little. We can come on here, all claim to be the master of football (I know for one I think I am), but it actually achieves very little. I think we have all started a culture of whinging and not doing anything about it. Watching Blackburn as they went down earlier, I noticed the raw, genuine passion of the fans as they showed their anguish towards the manager and the board. However, the players still did a lap of honour at the end to say thanks for the support. It shows that you can be angry at the game and not offend the playing staff. I wish we had a bit more passion like this.
Constant whinging and back biting on here is not helping, people are sick of the situation already. So how about on Wednesday night we show a bit more of what we're truly feeling the way of banners, chants, flags, anything, showing our disgust at the MLSE and/or the coaching staff. I really truly believe that don't know the half of what we are feeling. It's easy to say they don't care, but in all honesty I don't think they know.
The players are sick, we are sick. So let's stop this shit and show the rest that we are pissed off and demand a change. No more arguments on here, we're all in this together.
This will probably get shot down, and if it does, it would come as little surprise. All people do on here at times is hide behind their keyboards and try and gain the moral highground. I don;t want that, I want to stand with my fellow TFC supporters and say enough is enough.
I'm at a deep contradiction with this team, and hopelessly depressed with TFC:
I didn't want this losing streak, because I didn't want Winter to go (NOT because I thought he was a good coach, but because what he did with our Youth and his idea for the system), But:
-I've completely lost believe in Winter not long ago
-I just wouldn't be able to care for the club WHEN some other coach, with a different system, comes in.
-I don't like defensive 4-4-2, hoofing up the ball to the strikers- even if means ugly Wins; and I wouldn't want to support any more Barrets or Cunninghams
-I don't WANT to go through another coaching, system change: enough is enough
-Winter, at least, should obviously go
Perhaps if we could get a proven (experienced) 4-3-3 coach to come in, I could be optimistic. But that's unlikely and also questionable whether it would work.
Things are pretty depressing
Last edited by nickio; 05-07-2012 at 05:32 PM.
I don't get why 4-3-3 is the saviour of football systems. You guys do realize LA has won the Supporters Shield 2 seasons in a row and an MLS Cup with a 4-4-2?
The key isn't the style or system...it's playing your particular style effectively.
I couldn't agree more with you, and I'm not saying styles determine the result or that one is better than the other. But to an extent, it's a preference (much like Music, cars and so on).
I dont WANT to watch our team play the way that most of MLS teams do. (Having to do with mediocre ability players who really do lack quality on the ball)
I DO want TFC to strive for technical players with strong on-the ball abilities, and I believe that 4-3-3 really does bring out and demand those qualities. It's a preference...
Perhaps that's the reality of MLS, and I realize that it may be unrealistic here. But I don't want to settle for less just because of that.
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
I think 4-3-3 will win more games in the long run and we're more built for that style of soccer. At the very least a manager that will play an attacking game should be a prerequisite for this job. If we go back to a defence first style we'll be back to square 1. You can play attacking football with different formations thaough for sure. RSL plays a 4-4-2 diamond for example and they're pretty attacking-minded.
The current TFC squad cannot win with 4-4-2. We are not physical enough for it. This team is built for 4-3-3 or similar attacking style.
I agree with this. 4-3-3 doesn't have a non-existent monopoly on football success. If you think our current roster is built better for 4-3-3 than anything else, that's fine (though I may question that sentiment after an 0-8 start - we could play a 1-2-7 and still couldn't possibly have less resultsthan we do now).
I think the 4-3-3 is a fine formation, and some good teams all over the place use it, as Jack illustrated earlier in this thread (or was it another one? Can't remember). At the same time, what formation you use comes down to the players you have. A formation in and of itself doesn't win you anything.
- Scott
“Heroism breaks its heart, and idealism its back, on the intransigence of the credulous and the mediocre, manipulated by the cynical and the corrupt.” ~Christopher Hitchens
The whole symplistic analyses that we cannot play the 4-4-2 because we are not physical enough, kills me, and that we cannot fire Winter because we may get worse, and then trying to dictate THAT WE NEED TO HIRE AN ATTACK MINDED coach, most of the worlds great teams are either built on defense first, or at least can defend with the best of the them, after 5 years, or suffering first and foremost because we cannot defend, the great mind of this board are still asking for an offensive system, like we are going to sing Messi, Ronaldo, Kaka and Ibra and score at least 3 goals per game. I am sorry but this is the silliest group of supporters I have ever been around, I love talking footy but when it come to TFC it is becoming painful.
^ There are lots of successful teams other than Barcelona who play attacking, possession football. Swansea are the team we should really be modelling after imo. They play our game (or at least the one we are supposed to be playing) with players who are the EPL's equivalent to NASL players.
Agreed.
There is no one size fits all formation, it is about which formation fits the players you have best, and then executing that formation. Now the 4-3-3 or variants of it is one of the most popular formations currently around, many teams all around Europe use modified versions of it. The issue is not simply about formations. I thing the problem that many on the board have this fascination with the "Dutch football" as if it is the ultimate goal and as if we will be the second coming of Barca if we just play it long enough. Clearly this will not be. We need to build a system that works with the player we have and are likely to get. It may well be a 4-3-3 but it will not be Barca's or Ajax's 4-3-3 it will be our own, and it will change as the season, player and coaches change.
I think the big problem isn't so much the formation but the position switching. Half the time people don't seem to know what their role is out there. Our midfield especially tends to either drift upward or backward and we totally lose shape. Position switching is as complicated as it gets. Give everyone out there a distinct position with a distinct role and play a bit more rigid. Get back to the basics of the system, without adding this complicated other layer.