9 goals in 15 appearances isn't enough to prove you wrong?Originally Posted by Bars92
9 goals in 15 appearances isn't enough to prove you wrong?
I have a feeling this thread is wishful thinking. I don't think we're lucky enough.
No one will take on that contract. I bet they have tried before. No one will even take on that contract even if TFC pay 90% of it.
TFC's only option is to pay him 100% of his money and send him home.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
Yeah, lets kick out everyone who has 9 goals in 15 games or whatever for us, that'll help things.
JDG should've been dealt with a long time ago. Our upper management has no idea what's going on.
This team isn't making money like it use to. They probably don't want to eat De Guzman's $1.9 million salary, no matter how much it will help improve the team overall.
three man defense against a speedy attack, and we are talking about firing players...
Gareth Wheeler said there are rumor that TFC sitting him to get ride of him.Plus there look to be some inter fighting between coach and manager.Hear this on the way back for the game.
Do a piss poor job and simultaneously throw someone else under the bus. JDG hasn't been good, but I think our fearless leader who would have issues motivating a starving man to eat with his people skills that resemble a rock should look in the mirror.
What was the Mo Johnston handbook again?
- blame the officials
- blame the lack of grass
- blame the roster rules
- blame player injuries
- blame the players
- clean out your desk
The cycle is almost complete.
I disagree that it's the worst decision they made. It might have been a very risky decision, but IF he had arrived with his A-game, then he could have been a huge boost to the squad. It's not like he was an unproven player, or someone with 'issues'.
It should have been a great setup, but it just didn't work out that way. I can't fault management for taking the risk - it could have been amazing.
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I can fault management. Not because of the player but for the reasons that he was brought here.
Mo indicated that he wanted a Designated Player and felt strongly that the player had to be Canadian. Limiting your search for an impact player to the location on a birth certificate is simply bad management. From a justifying ticket price increases at the time of a renewal it made some sense and that's about it.
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That whole process seemed to show some real problems with the team. Senior management said from the beginning they would approve "the right" DP and we even had long threads on here about the pros and cons of a DP signing, but it took years. Then the DP was Canadian - that would seem to be a marketing department decision (why would the coaxh or manager care?). By that point Mo was clearly in way over his head and desperate to please his bosses and keep his job and there were threads on here asking for JDG so he was signed. That was the clearest point we could have started to ask, "Who is running this team?"
And since that point we haven't really got an answer to that question.
Of course hindsight is 20/20, but even at the time I remember not a lot of supporters were happy with the signing. Sure some were because finally TFC had a DP and he was Canadian.
But when the signs were there when JDG was hemming and hawing about signing that some started to question the signing.
Though when you look back, the signing, moreso than the Mista signing, was the worst decision the club made. At least with Mista it was a strong term thing. This signing, the length and the moves that came as a result of it, making a bad decision.
I have to question with the salary cap whether the right number of designed players is two or three. It just eats up so much of your resources.
For that same 300k cap hit, you can then have three players on your roster who earn 200k instead of 100 ... which would in theory mean a great increase in quality.
Two regular dps, plus one young dp that has less of cap hit. Then again im from the school of thought that thinks dps are overrated in mls
^ Totally forgot about that... but that's a great point. Good way to squeeze more talent out of the system.
Couldn't agree more. They took a risk that I think most management teams in their position would make, and it was actually in accordance with what many fans wanted (that doesn't happen too often with this team). It's too bad, but I'm not going to fault TFC too much for this.
I'd say he never tried. seemed like he never wanted to play here.
he's bad for the team. bench players are starting before him and he's making a huge amount of cash. that can't be good for the other boys on the squad.
^ I would be dollars to donuts his body is completely destroyed and he has no prayer of ever playing at the level he did previously. It takes quite a bit to explain how someone could regress so rapidly over a few years.
That being said, TFC really came into that deal with a total lack of knowledge. Asking JDG to play the AM spot? stupid, stupid, stupid. This guy was famous at his club in Spain for shooting the ball over the net. Everyone looks at that vintage gold cup 2007 performance and thinks that's how he plays. That was a watershed moment in terms of offensive performance, he's never put anything like that up consistently in his club playing days at all. He was known for being an extremely smart hard-man who shielded the backline. That would have been a quite solid and necessary role for a player to fill in MLS.
What would have been smart was: keeping JDG as a DM and putting Guevara in front of him.
Signing him was a bonehead move from the beginning. At a time the club needed scoring they recruit a player who never did much offensively and was on a sharp decline defensively. Playing for the CNT, sorry to say, means squat. An Serie B team could give the Canadian NT a thrashing most nights. So JDB was a sub on a lousy club. His amazing two years in Spain were an anomally, he was a short pass specialist on a team of very good players. His deficiencies were easily hidden or ignored. Why for Gods sake TFC recruits him made no sense whatsover and demonstrates for me the sheer stupidity behind the decision making of this club.
You want to build a decent mls team? Copy those clubs who have done it, stop trying to reinvent the wheel....a team of average mls players drawn largely from American or latin players are the way to go.....Koevermans next I hope. He is too nice of a guy to receive the derisive chants he will be seeing soon, aka Mista and Robert.
MLSE could eat his salary and the only impact will be one less smoked salmon platter at the monthly board meeting
Since most of the money we owe JDG is DP money, that means it comes from MLSE, not the league right? Theoretically, we could even pay a team to take him off or hands in exchange for their DP spot this year (after this year JDG is a free agent, team x gets their spot back and we get the spot JDG took back). MLS would give us the allocation to bring in a new DP, its their M.O. The more big name big money players, the better. If TFC will pay for 4 DPs at once (3 here and 1 somewhere else), god bless em.
Edit: if this is true, I really really hope MLSE learned something from the Dero fiasco and makes a move sooner rather than later. Don't let the relationship get even worse. Don't let it get too far into the room. Don't let it become a huge distraction for the team over a prolonged period of time
Last edited by Waggy; 04-22-2012 at 11:56 AM.
Backstage at TFC might be a dcent reality show. All this manouvering with JDG's agent about buying him out and then someone tries to sign yet another saviour... Does Mariner want to save Winter's job or take the job himself? Lots of blame to go around and probably plenty of drama.
There were a couple of moments when I wanted to start a "You're getting sacked in the morning" chant yesterday.
MLSE's Handbook
Bring in a new manager
Give support to their 5 year plan
Let the New Manager get rid the young prospects on the team
Let the New Manager bring in new players to fit their system
Let the Net Manager bring in a DP
Bring in a new manager ...
We have replaced all our players and our managers again and again. You would think after 5 seasons this blind squirrel would would have found a nut.
Ownership isn't the issue. Senoir Managment is. Tom Aselmi and his team have run the Raptors, Leafs and TFC so poorly it is shocking.
i agree jdg as to go,his replacements are hardly anything to shout about (dunfield and stinson) yikesss ..unless you play frings in his position
I don't follow La Liga, so the only thing I know about him is that he was Deportivo player of the year.
From what I saw at first he seemed like he had potential and that probably the players around him were the problem.
Then I saw him improve dramatically last year with the addition of better players - however the thing that stuck me was the inconstancy of his play. This carried over to this year, but it's now being compounded by the 0-6 start.
As a DP in a situation like we are in - he should've stepped up and been a leader - but he's only done it once this season against Santos at home. Although Frings fucked up in the first minute of the game yesterday - he shook it off and looked pretty decent the rest of the game. Ended up leading the game at every position! That's what a DP should do.
I never thought JDG was worth DP money, but I still think he could be a good keep at around 150-200K Max per season.
That's where Frings should be.
I still feel that he hasn't played his best because he hasn't had support or players good enough to help him shine. When he was playing with Dero he was a better player. He needs outlets he can be confident will recieve the ball and do something about it. He needs players that get into intelligent positions. What he has had, and yesterday showed it, are a lot of players who don't really know what they are doing, don't run and are not good enough.
Yes the argument can be made that good players play raise their team mates but for a player who is good at winning the ball and playing the short pass he needs support. Otherwise he just wins the ball and ends up being isolated and having to hoof the ball, get tackled or have his pass intercepted. I really doubt that Makalele or Paul Scholes would do well in the TFC set up.
Maybe TFC can sign Michael Ballack:
Michael Ballack confirms on German television that he will play in MLS: No specific club named
http://www.mlssoccer.com/blog/post/2...e-jouer-en-mls
Anybody understand German
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