If you have tickets can I get first dibs on them?Originally Posted by TFCREDNWHITE
If you have tickets can I get first dibs on them?
I think this date has been misunderstood. Remember we did not sign any players till April last week.
Do you all remember that Danny Pacheco player that came in last year? Played 45 mins in florida and never touched the grass again!
I argree I am really disappointed with all the upcoming games in the next 14 days TFC really needs to get a DP Striker ASAP. I mean can you imagine what will happen if we don't start winning games in January.
Oh wait never mind.
The sooner people stop taking rumors from the media as absolutes, the happier they will be.
If we are going to sign a DP of any significance, it has to be done during the January transfer window. I would be suspect of signing any player who is not under contract with any team in March or April. This tells me that nobody wants them. The only other option after that is to wait until June when the European season ends. My feeling is that Mo will delay any possible DP acquisition until then just stringing the fans along once again. It would be nice to have the core of this team in place for the pre-season. This includes the DP. A DP acquisition in June can potentially destabilize the team if players have to be moved at that time to accommodate the signing. Furthermore, how long will it take for the player to accustom themselves to the club and the city and settle in? Having the DP already in place before the pre-season will be most beneficial.
There are a lot of things to balance. You're right, a DP in June could be disruptive - so could a DP anytime, the whole idea of one player out of the whole team being "designated" could be disruptive. It's such a dumb way to run a league. Picking the wrong DP would be worse than not getting one at all.
The pre-season, and even the first few games are not that essential in a league in which making the playoffs is the goal, and the roster decisions have to fit the league structure.
It's crazy that one soccer league out of all the leagues has this different structure, but there's no point in pretending it doesn't and managing for something else.
Drives me crazy...
Bingo. Disruptive is when the guy next to you doing the same job is making 10 times (or in the case of a DP, possibly even 50 or 100 times) more money than you.
No it wouldn't, signing the best player we can would be most beneficial.
For arguments sake - lets say we could sign a decent but not fantastic DP caliber player (say, Lucarelli for example) in January, or Del Piero in June. Which would be more beneficial to the team?
What motive might Mo have to do this? Wouldn't his head be on the line if he can't improve the team?
I suppose you could say it's orders from the very top but then you're going into conspiracy territory, with believers being inherently illogical. The less evidence there is of one, people say the better (as in more sinister) it is because it's so secret.
I would find it hard to believe that the FO doesn't want to have a better team. A bad team loses fan support which means a loss of revenue.
Stop the Del Piero in June talk right now! You're toying with my emotions!
Apologies. No way is he, coming, but it illustrated my point.Stop the Del Piero in June talk right now! You're toying with my emotions!
You're right.
If anyone's getting strung along, it's player agents. Everybody knows TFC has money to spend, so there must be dozens of calls every day from agents with "fantastic deals," on players who would "love" to come to MLS and "especially TFC!"
Weeding them out will take some time.
Not to piss on anybodys parade, but why do we need a DP?
We just traded for DeRo and his salary is $325K (I think that is what he gets paid), we pay Robo around $300k and the DP would be another $400k against the cap. I am no math wizard but that is about $1 million of a $2.3 million dollar cap. Not to mention Ricketts at $200k and Guervara at $150K plus.
In my opinion a DP is not a neccesity a couple of above average CB and a striker is what we need. So how would we do all of that is we tie up the majority of our cap space with 3 playes.
because the fans deserve a DP, duh
and if Mo can't make it happen on such a tight salary cap, fire him!
You're forgetting allocation money.
We don't. We need a player that can put the ball in the back of the net consistently. Whether that's a DP, some one from the MLS, or someone from the French second division doesn't matter. A goal is a goal.
However, there are a certain set of people around here that won't be happy unless they have a flashy name on the back of their jersey.
The Galaxy did the same thing, not a bad place to look for the answer to this question. I believe that they also had a lot of allocation money.So how would we do all of that is we tie up the majority of our cap space with 3 playes.
Mo must know something. At some point, the allocation money will run out and next year we still have to pay these contracts. Have the GMs been told something about a significant raise in the cap?
Just playing devil's advocate
+1 Agree.
It would be most beneficial to have a DP brought in now.
I don't care. They are all professionals and that is life my friend, some people around you make more than you will ever make in your life.
I want a POWERHOUSE team. I would also like to have a powerhouse team set and ready to go for the pre-season. They(front office) have spent the last 2 years tinkering CONSTANTLY with the team all season and off season long...I'm sick and tired of it! I want my cake and i want to eat it too!!!
Well I am glad to see some sanity in this thread as the Dero one is now a shambles lol.
Indeed as you have both pointed out 2010 is the question in keeping the team together. The Galaxy have been a disaster and argueably a league embarrasment.
Just some food for thought:
1) The Galaxy at the end of last season were pushing to have the entire DP salary outside of the cap so the 400K would not count. The teams that are making money who can afford this may well support this.
2) The CBA is going to be negotiated soon.
3) There will be very little allocation cash for TFC at the end of next season if they make the playoffs. To make up allocation bucks, there are only so many ways you can do it. Sell players or draft picks. Wynne comes to mind of course as there have been rumblings since the middle of last season.
4) You can't just use your allocation money on any player's salary. MLS has very specific rules on how you can apply the money against players salaries.
Salary cap = BS. But I've said that a million times already. The thought that my hard-earned dollars should go to aid the likes of Kansas City and Columbus Crew makes me sick. This is sport. It's about winning! What is the point of supporting a team if the money you support the team with doesn't actually go to it? The thought that the league can't survive without it is just silly. Allow individual teams to spend within their means. There's clearly plenty of interest in joining this league, so if a team has to fold due to money woes then so be it. Talk to Leeds Utd. about this, they've been there.
TFC has the money and interest to be a giant in this market, but because of the little markets, the little teams, we're held back and won't be able to develop into a giant that may, MAY, actually cause a bit of an interest on the international stage.
Oh well.
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Perhaps Mo is counting on the CBA to generate a large enough increase in the salary cap by 2010, that the extra salary we will have to account for, will be irrelevant.
The MLS salary cap is widely considered to be pitifully small, so I fully expect the players union to get it raised pretty significantly.
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Don't necessarily deserve a DP, the fans deserve a good team, which may or may not involve a DP. It is not up to us to make the changes it is up to Mo. His decisions in the off season will succeed or fail during the season. Only then when his team has played a few games and the results of his off season work has paid off or failed can we then call for his head. Until six or seven games in shut up and cheer for the team. Enough of this negativity. We haven't even kicked a ball and this board is full of whining and moaning about what hasn't happened yet.because the fans deserve a DP, duh
and if Mo can't make it happen on such a tight salary cap, fire him!
And keep in mind we are an expansion team. The way the league is structured with the salary cap, shallow drafts, youth teams and reserve teams it is made for a teams that can build though smart drafting, youth development and patience. It is going to take time and it doesn't help if we are calling for the management's head every time there is a loss or when they don't sign a player that you heard from some guy on the internet that they were totally going to sign.
I hate the salary cap, too, but I understand why it's needed. There wouldn't be a league without it. Now a few investors want to join (and they've said the fact salaries are controlled is one of the best things the league has going for it), but ten years ago no one wanted in. The cap will rise as the teams become more established and have solid season ticket bases, but I really think if it had been rushed, or there had been no cap, we would have simply had a repeat of NASL and ALL the teams would have folded.
The leagues that survive without salary caps are all full of long, well-established teams. In North America people laughed when the NFL made a run at baseball to become the number one sport, but they did it mainly because it operates almost as a single-entity league with revenue-sharing. The owners were smart enough (rare among billionaires, I agree) to realize that a new league is really only as strong as the weakest teams and that if the same few teams dominate year after year there'll be no growth in fan base beyond those cities. Which is okay, I guess, if you're in one of those cities, or if you're in an older league in which some the fan bases are well-established and supporters don't mind that they'll never win championships again (to be honest, I don't really get it and I'm curious what it'll look like in another twenty years).
So, really your "hard-earned dollars" can't only go to TFC because it's not much fun to go to the stadium and watch a scrimmage between team mates. You need the other teams.
But I agree, the cap has to be raised soon.
The idea of a DP sounds good but the reality of the DPs used so far hasn't been so great. Blanco did lift up Chicago and Angel, when fit, did score a bunch for NJRB. Other those, the other DPs including Beckham have been duds.
Beckham can't single handedly win every single game. His skill in this league, is AMAZING! too bad he has no one in a support role...
I would love to have becks in a TFC uniform.
Beckham hasn't been a dud, he's been a fantastic player. The Galaxy led the league in goals scored, and Becks was a big part of that. The problem was they tied up to much cap space in a few quality players and had to field crap for the rest of the team.
Interesting thing with Blanco - the Fire fans were split on him. Some loved him, others didn't like him. All the attack filtered through him, and they though it made the team to one dimensional.
Would you - if it was at the expense of having to field the rest of the crap that the Galaxy had to in order to fit in under the cap?
Out of curiosity, how do you judge Beckham to be a dud? Everytime I see him play in the MLS he's the best player on the field. He single handedly sold 6,000 season tickets IN TORONTO the day after he signed IN LA. He's probably sold more jerseys then any MLS player at this point (though I don't know that for sure). So I ask again, how is it that Beckham's been a dud?
well, having becks would for sure turn Barrett into a 15goal scorer
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