Rumour - Carver and Winsper to join Shearer at Newcastle

[canadian_bhoy]

http://www.tribalfootball.com/conten...wcastle-return

21.11.08 | tribalfootball.com
Toronto FC coach John Carver is being linked with a return to Newcastle United.
The Daily Express says Toon legend Alan Shearer wants Carver to join his backroom staff as he prepares to return to St James' Park.
Carver's fitness coach at MLS outfit Toronto, Paul Winsper, is also wanted by Shearer.

Also reported in the Express
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...-staff-already

Let the friday craziness begin!

Former Newcastle coach John Carver, who served under Sir Bobby Robson among others, would also be part of any new Shearer set-up. He is currently working in Canada.

[Nodoubtguy]

Like I said in the news thread....this would be the biggest blow we could possibly suffer this offseason.

[Billy the kid]

Are managers not under contract, similiar to players, or are they just a regular hire that can quit at any time.

[trane]

I just heard it on 590 AM. If he goes I just hope that we do no waite until just before the season to select a new mansger.

[Beach_Red]

Are managers not under contract, similiar to players, or are they just a regular hire that can quit at any time.

Would you want to keep a coach who wants to leave?

[BuSaPuNk]

This would be a huge blow to the building of TFC. If Carver leaves we will be right back where we started when we broke into the leauge.

[Pigfynn]

This is shit.

I guess I couldn't blame him...I think I would be bitter though.

One year? C'mon John! promises were made.

[Roogsy]

Somewhere, Giambac and his crew are planning a party.

[Toronto Gunner]

This was also posted on BBC Football's Gossip page:

Alan Shearer has already selected his backroom staff, should he be offered the Newcastle job on a permanent basis. Former Newcastle midfielder Rob Lee would become Shearer's assistant, with former coach John Carver rejoining the club.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...rs/default.stm

[Parkdale]

You know what would make Carver happy? Dropping Mo.
It's been clear that they've been at odds for some time.

The ONLY possible upside is that Steve Nichol could come in (long shot, but I'm an optimist)

[koryo]

You know what would make Carver happy? Dropping Mo.
It's been clear that they've been at odds for some time.

The ONLY possible upside is that Steve Nichol could come in (long shot, but I'm an optimist)

That is wishful thinking. Doesn't matter who the next manager, should this rumour come to pass, will be. This organization will not move forward until Johnston is removed from it.

[trane]

Somewhere, Giambac and his crew are planning a party.

I got to confess that I would not be as upset as I would have been say three to six months ago, my feeling is, as I had expressed on the board, is that while I like Carver we just do not seem to be going in the right direction. I do not like that this is happening, but in crisis there may be opportunity to find a new and hopefully better direction. I think that if Carver goes Mo should follow, make it a clean sweep, instead of waiting for another year to evalute Mo, and then again looking in the next off season. However, MLSe may chose to keep Mo to have some continuity.

[Damien]

Mo better give his left nut to keep Carver!!

If we start over with a new coach next season there's a better chance of finishing lower on the table, and you know what that could mean for MoJo!

[trane]

That is wishful thinking. Doesn't matter who the next manager, should this rumour come to pass, will be. This organization will not move forward until Johnston is removed from it.

I have to agree, I may be wrong, but that is 100% my feeling.

[canadian_bhoy]

I don't think this is a case of anything Toronto is doing that would make Carver unhappy - Newcastle is his home, his team, his no. 1 passion. If he is offered the job, you can't blame him for leaving.

If he does go - I'll wish him all the best. For me, he was the class of the league for managers and really brought TFC to another level. He inspired his players and brought passion and fire to the team. It'll be a huge loss if he goes.

Not to be unnoticed here is also the potential loss of Paul Winsper. He dramatically changed the fitness level of the players this season and it really helped with injuries and endurance. Another huge loss.

The only logical replacement that I can see is Steve Nicol. Mo has wanted him for ages and with the 1st round exit in the playoffs, maybe it's time for Nicol to take on a new challenge.

We'll have to wait and see how this all plays out.

[tfc]

are you guys freaking CRAZY? Not having Carver would be the biggest hit to our offseason EVER. Winsper as well. We are basically back to square one with those guys gone. I bet you they stick around for one more year though.

[king dave]

Will be interesteing to watch this evolve.
NUFC have some new found wealth and appear to be in a 'shopping' mood. Losing JC and his sidekick isn't the end of the world, what is the end of the world is Moe trying to find a new coaching/training team as well as some qualitiy players.
I will be on this developing story like stink on a skunk!
KD.

[Brooker]

for fucks sake.... say it aint so.

this team is such a god damn revolving door, the last thing we need is Carver to leave. ESPECIALLY Winsper!

just pound my balls flat with a wooden hammer while you're at it.

[trane]

Will be interesteing to watch this evolve.
NUFC have some new found wealth and appear to be in a 'shopping' mood. Losing JC and his sidekick isn't the end of the world, what is the end of the world is Moe trying to find a new coaching/training team as well as some qualitiy players.
I will be on this developing story like stink on a skunk!
KD.

Agreed. Again I do not think lossing Carver is not a problem, but how much of a problem depends on who replaces him.

[Gobi]

We are basically back to square one with those guys gone.

QFT.

But I wonder... if that would be such a bad thing, in theory.

Of course, I really, really, really hope JC and Winsper stay, though.
I thought JC said publicly that he would?

[Roogsy]

Losing a capable and experienced coach is not a problem?

Losing the fitness coach that produced better results than the entire league is not a problem?

The world has truly gone mad.

Yes...Carver is not Ferguson. But he is better than 90% of the coaches in MLS and now we are back to trying to get someone in who will have to start from scratch. Regardless of how good the new guy is (and gawd let's hope he is good at least) it will be another year of "evaluation". Are any of you prepared for that?

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Somewhere, Giambac and his crew are planning a party.

Party of 1

[Roogsy]

^I dunno about that...sadly.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

really hope this is just a rumor.
Fuck.
it really would be the worst lost of the new/old season and we would be back to our first season.
i think id hate Carver then.
I truly do.
This is akin to leaving your wife and kids.

[flatpicker]

couldn't we just replace him with Dale Mitchell??

[OneLoveOneEric]

This would be bad. Like him or not, stability is pretty key right now, and getting ANOTHER new coach can't help things.
I thought this might happen after seeing Carver on TV at a NUFC game sitting with Shearer. And to the poster saying Mo had better give his left nut to keep him -- Mo doesn't have enough left nuts. If Carver wants that job, he'l go, and there's nothing we can offer him to make him stay. It's totally up to John.
Our only hope right now is that Shearer continues in his gutless history of going "look at me! Look at me!" whenever the Newcastle job opens up, and then deciding to stick to the safety of taking pot-shots from the press box....
But I fear this time he will take the job.

[Roogsy]

couldn't we just replace him with Dale Mitchell??

LOL!

Oh Flats, that is evil.

Let's just get that out of the way. NOBODY at MLSE is that stupid and if they were...I think that would be the one thing that would make me give up my seasons.

[Damien]

couldn't we just replace him with Dale Mitchell??

He's not been fired.... YET

[trane]

Losing a capable and experienced coach is not a problem?

Losing the fitness coach that produced better results than the entire league is not a problem?

The world has truly gone mad.

Yes...Carver is not Ferguson. But he is better than 90% of the coaches in MLS and now we are back to trying to get someone in who will have to start from scratch. Regardless of how good the new guy is (and gawd let's hope he is good at least) it will be another year of "evaluation". Are any of you prepared for that?

Losing Carver is a problem. I agree. That I think that he is better that 99% of coaches in the MLS. I agree. But after the season, my feeling was that we needed big changes. I think that this may present such an opportunity. It could also be an opportunity for Carver to take full control wich also may not be a bad thing.

But I agree with CB, I think it is not so much about what is happening here, but his opportunity with New Castle is probably to good for a lot of rerasons.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Do we think that carver really wants the job?
I wouldnt be surprised to see Winsper go (still a big loss)