TFC - Picks/Trades/Int Slots/Allocations

[Carter]

We gained another international by Dichio getting his permenant residency

[S_D]

added trade with Seattle for allocation cash for Tyrone Marshall. Amount was not disclosed

http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/te....jsp&team=t280

edit: according to Ives, 100K allocation

http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_b...-marshall.html

[ccopela]

just throwing this out there you can probably delete the supplemental draft picks from every year because they don't exist anymore.

[S_D]

yeah I know. I was going to send mlsntoronto a PM with a few other questions.

Since there are trades on the books involving supplemental picks, just wondering how the teams get compensated.

[S_D]

Trade with FC Dallas added.

Serioux for TFC natural 2010 first round draft pick + allocation cash.
http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/te....jsp&team=t280

I also updated the second round pick going to Dallas for Ibrahim. The Ibrahim trade had conditions (not specified by TFC news release) but according to Buzz Carrick:
http://www.3rddegree.net/2008/06/abd...ed-to-toronto/

Abdus Ibrahim has been traded to Toronto FC for a conditional draft pick. If Ibrahim plays 10 or more games in 2009, or if he is sold, loaned, or traded, then FCD will receive a 2010 first round pick. If none of the previous conditions are met, then FCD will receive a 2nd round pick.

So the assumption is Ibrahim won't play more than 9 games, won't be traded, loaned or sold. If this isn't the case, Mo is going to have to go out and acquire a first rounder from someone to give to Dallas.

Edit: If anyone sees how much allocation we are sending to Dallas, post it and please include the link.

[Wooster_TFC]

So confusing. I'm guessing he now CAN'T play more than 9 games, and can't be traded, loaned or sold, that is assuming that the "natural" part was actually in the contract.

Weird.

[S_D]

I just assume that the 2010 for Ibrahim first rounder wasn't specified as "natural" like it was in Serioux's case. It may partially explain why Mo has so many forwards now too lol

I am sure though that if Ibrahim plays too much or is sold etc, they have an understanding of some sort.

[Steve]

So confusing. I'm guessing he now CAN'T play more than 9 games, and can't be traded, loaned or sold, that is assuming that the "natural" part was actually in the contract.

Weird.

Well, since both trades were with the same team (FCD) I assume Mo actually specified that in the Serioux trade. In fact, he probably just said "Ok, I'll give you our first round here, and we amend the Ibrahim to be for the 2nd round pick regardless".

What's interesting to me is how Mo has suddenly shown a willingness to trade picks. Last year he collected 3 first round picks and kept them, this year he's already given away our 1st and 2nd round picks. Maybe this is all part of his 5 year plan? (Bring in good youth last year, get into playoffs and rank well this year and build from the pieces we have next year instead of bringing in draft players).

[Ossington Mental Youth]

its because ideally we have a set team now and we will only use picks for depth as opposed ot using them for starting 11 players

[S_D]

Trade with Rapids added.

TFC acquire Rapids natural 2010 2nd round pick for the rights to forward Gregory Richardson.

http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/te....jsp&team=t280

[scotymcb]

nice

[prizby]

2 questions

I have never understood this, but what does allocation money mean?

Can anyone do a breakdown on our salary cap, like how much is used, how much each player is getting.

thanks

[S_D]

Teams get allocation money from the league for meeting certain criteria. Allocation cash is above and beyond salary cap, and can be used to buy down players salaries, contribute towards transfer fees etc.

Last season all teams got an extra 100K in allocation cash, and those teams that missed the playoffs got addition allocation cash too. New franchises also get allocation cash from the league when they are starting up. When teams sell players abroad the money is split between MLS and the team. A portion of the money (max 500K)can be used as allocation, and the balance from the transfer must be used towards club infrastructure.

Allocation cash can be traded for players and or picks. For instance, Tyrone Marshall was sold to Sounders FC for 100K in allocation cash.

As for salaries, I believe someone has kept track of it, but you can also go and see salaries at the MLS player's union website.

[rocker]

hey... question... would Vitti's loan deal be guaranteed now that it's past July 1?

[S_D]

hey... question... would Vitti's loan deal be guaranteed now that it's past July 1?

good question and one I don't know the answer to. There are a few pieces that we don't know about, but here is some food for thought:

1) We don't know the terms of the loan agreement.

a) We don't know who is actually paying Vitti. We know that his salary is accounted for against the cap, but is that cash being sent to Independiente as payment for the loan (who is then paying Vitti) or is Vitti getting paid directly by MLS. Not sure on that one, and not sure if it affects whether or not they can cut him, nor if he is part of the player's union which would offer him some protection.

b) We don't know if (as part of the loan agreement), they can ship him back at any time. If they can I would think that the salary wouldn't be guarunteed.

2) Each team can select up to 2 players who do not have guarunteed contracts past July 1st.

The player has to agree to it, but as Ives pointed out in an article a little while ago, the team could hold a hammer over a player's head. Agree to become a non-guarunteed contract after July 1st, or we are going to waive you. I assume something like this could be incorporated into a loan deal.

[jabbronies]

[quote=S_D;136368]2nd Round
TFC (to Dallas - assuming this due to conditions of Ibrahim trade. See notes below. Expect Ibriham to play less than 10 games in 2009)

Info on Ibrahim Trade from articles in June 2008:
http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/te....jsp&team=t280

http://www.3rddegree.net/2008/06/abd...ed-to-toronto/
Abdus Ibrahim has been traded to Toronto FC for a conditional draft pick. If Ibrahim plays 10 or more games in 2009, or if he is sold, loaned, or traded, then FCD will receive a 2010 first round pick. If none of the previous conditions are met, then FCD will receive a 2nd round pick. Ibrahim had a strong spring for FCD and was really starting to show some talent before his sabbatical.

quote]

looks like came to be true, he's only played 6 games so far. i was wondering why they never play him.

[Oldtimer]

According to GOL TV Football Today 01/07/10, TFC has over $600k in allocation money. Since MLSE owns GOL TV, I guess they would know the true amount.

Listen on the GOL TV section of the TFC TV viewer, 01/07/10 part 1, starting around minute 7:00.

[DOMIN8R]

According to GOL TV Football Today 01/07/10, TFC has over $600k in allocation money. Since MLSE owns GOL TV, I guess they would know the true amount.

Listen on the GOL TV section of the TFC TV viewer, 01/07/10 part 1, starting around minute 7:00.

I heard the same thing. That's a good number. Question is will any trading or other happen before 2 pm tomorrow.

[babone]

Can some one explain how it works, and why most people are saying it's really not availbel considering the cap?

[babone]

why would TFC not take advantage of the 2nd designated player slot

[sully]

why would TFC not take advantage of the 2nd designated player slot

It costs MLSE money

[bgnewf]

why would TFC not take advantage of the 2nd designated player slot

And counts against the cap.

One interesting upshot of the recent change to the DP rule is that for example TFC could give DeRo a DP contract for more money and actually free up salary cap space all at the same time.

If DeRo gets DP money only $250,000 of his salary counts against the cap versus $400,000 currently. That frees up some coin to get some cover at fullback or out on the wings, the places IMHO where TFC needs the most help.

[reggie]

what kind of contracts do USANOV and hscany have?
can they cut them?

[Ossington Mental Youth]

they are guaranteed for at least two years if i remember correctly.
Who do you propose we'd replace them with?
No they arent superstars but at very least Hscanovic is good off the bench. Usanov has been playing relatively decently as of late.

[reggie]

they are ok players,but i think its a waste to have 2 import players on the bench..

[Ossington Mental Youth]

like i said, who are two realistic replacements?
ive got faith in Preki at this moment so im not so worried about replacing them

[bgnewf]

Anyone willing to hazard a guess on where TFC stands on allocation dollars and salary cap space?

If Preki wanted to sign a striker for example, do we have the dollars to do anything?

Wondering if anyone has anything other than a guestimate.



And super high compliments to Wooster TFC for his thread on the TFC roster. In my eyes it is the definitive one out there in the public.

[Wooster_TFC]

I just brought the info together, props goes to everyone who provided it.

As for salary cap information, the whole MLS is entirely way too murky to give anything but an educated guess, even when the players association releases the salary info on July 1st.

There are a bunch who have solid educated guesses that show we are near the cap, but not yet at it. There's also the unknown of how much salary is on our cap for Garcia, and how much is on the Earthquakes (there are rumours we are paying as little as 50k for Garcia). I think the best guesses (if I can recall correctly), had us with a couple 100k to play with, and that we could free up more space by making DeRo a DP (although this is likely not going to happen).

The bigger issue is that we don't have any roster spaces available. Our senior team is full, we have 1 open DEV spot, and 2 open homegrown spots. It wouldn't surprise me with the way the team is playing that we only fill the homegrown spots, or maybe only one of them. Someone would have to be traded to open a spot for whoever was coming in, freeing up some salary in the process.

I think Shaugno has the best info on salaries in a spreadsheet, but there were others who were also tracking (if you want to PM someone to bring some attention to the thread).

[S_D]

I think Shaugno has the best info on salaries in a spreadsheet, but there were others who were also tracking (if you want to PM someone to bring some attention to the thread).

shags can't access RPB from work anymore, they blocked it, so his access is limited. If anyone wants to contact him, drop me a line and I can email him.