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    A point is a miracle for TFC

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    final score 2-2...tfc very fortunate to get a point

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    11 extra minutes on only 7. Looks like one of our coaches just got a yellow. Kind screws up Chicago, no Berna or Goemis

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    This has nothing to do with the ref. This was completely us collapsing and being really stupid.

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    People are going to talk about the ref

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    that mentality we showed tonight after about 60 minutes has to stop right here because other teams will watch this and goad this team the whole second half of the season


    THIS is where the rahrah circle stuff is a problem.

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    Eleven minutes when they called for seven?

    At least one of those yellows was utter bullshit, Gomis' first, as he got the ball cleanly and didn't even go through the man, the attacker literally collided with him late.

    Fucking atrocious officiating, generally.

    But... having said that, we're undisciplined and we bunker. We should've beaten this team 4-0, but instead only get a point.

    I'm not sure I agree with this hardcore sports science approach to minutes. We really didn't need to make so many early changes there, and it changed our tempo.

    Dude was definitely card happy though. Either give us yellows for time wasting or add minutes, don't fucking do both. Showed no leeway except to the Homeside, who got three chances without cards routinely.


    MLS officiating continues to be Mickey Mouse.

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    And now we all gotta go to bed angry ….

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    Quote Originally Posted by James17930 View Post
    This has nothing to do with the ref. This was completely us collapsing and being really stupid.
    The ref was card happy. You’d never see players being sent off like that in a serious league. Also would never be a penalty.

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    That one hurts. We just don’t have the mentality needed to close these games out. Have to put it on Herdman as well as the players.

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    DC missing a lot of players , then two of their best players go off, TFC up 2-0 and totally collapse against basically DC reserves !

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    Herdman is afraid of Bernie ...and Bernie thinks he's above everything in MLS - including officials

    Has he ever taken a good yellow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    People are going to talk about the ref

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    that mentality we showed tonight after about 60 minutes has to stop right here because other teams will watch this and goad this team the whole second half of the season


    THIS is where the rahrah circle stuff is a problem.
    the yellow on gomis was absolute trash. to give a pen, and put tfc down another man is pure garbage. that draw is on the league 100%. they could have called 30 infractions the other way just as valid but didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    Eleven minutes when they called for seven?

    At least one of those yellows was utter bullshit, Gomis' first, as he got the ball cleanly and didn't even go through the man, the attacker literally collided with him late.

    Fucking atrocious officiating, generally.

    But... having said that, we're undisciplined and we bunker. We should've beaten this team 4-0, but instead only get a point.

    I'm not sure I agree with this hardcore sports science approach to minutes. We really didn't need to make so many early changes there, and it changed our tempo.

    Dude was definitely card happy though. Either give us yellows for time wasting or add minutes, don't fucking do both. Showed no leeway except to the Homeside, who got three chances without cards routinely.


    MLS officiating continues to be Mickey Mouse.
    exactly this. Marginal calls and then the result is 2 reds? like all of the same calls couldnt have gone the other way? complete bs tonight. tfc should be more careful but there is nothing you can do when everything you do is a card and nothing they do is even called.

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    I didn't like the pen given either, but we aren't in that situation if Bernie doesn't boot the ball 40 yards for no reason on a yellow. Blame the refs or whatever, but the team isn't exactly blameless in this situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeForbes View Post
    I didn't like the pen given either, but we aren't in that situation if Bernie doesn't boot the ball 40 yards for no reason on a yellow. Blame the refs or whatever, but the team isn't exactly blameless in this situation.
    This ^

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    Didn't anyone notice that DC got zero yellows, despite fouling as often as TFC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    Didn't anyone notice that DC got zero yellows, despite fouling as often as TFC?
    He literally gave four of their players the "one, two, three" signal and didn't card any of them. And the touchline judge missing the shove on Ritchie and calling it a throw was embarrassingly unprofessional given that he was three feet from the play.

    I wonder if more suspensions are coming, as we had at least three players at the end of the game sarcastically shake the sideline official's hand. He was atrocious; missed at least two balls that were out, multiple fouls.

    On the Richie one, in the replay, you can see him craning his neck down to keep his eye on the ball and in doing so missing the shove completely. Just amateurish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeForbes View Post
    I didn't like the pen given either, but we aren't in that situation if Bernie doesn't boot the ball 40 yards for no reason on a yellow. Blame the refs or whatever, but the team isn't exactly blameless in this situation.
    The issue started with Benteke went off.

    TFC didn't adjust. Like, Herdman didn't do anything thinking we'd be OK but mentally, these guys probably spent a whole week going "stop Benteke...stop Benteke" - when he's not there and we are 2 up, we don't think about them playing differently. But..they did. DCU started to play fast passing chaos ball.

    And, we were dealing with a ref that wasn't good enough at making decisions - FIFA ref sure...but he lost the plot with persistent infringement (also first guy I've seen in 3 years call a foul throw).

    TFC couldn't get out of our end.

    And then play after play went the wrong way and guys got frustrated.

    They score..and it was coming.

    But we had a bit of forward momentum going with Richie on...and then Berne does his thing and we lost the plot.

    Nobody could just get a hold of the ball and keep it.

    **********

    Its a long season and only 1 point

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    its a bad taste in the mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canary10 View Post
    The ref was card happy. You’d never see players being sent off like that in a serious league. Also would never be a penalty.
    Yeah, that felt like TMZ style spin portraying that as a penalty. They can feel free to zoom in on the box on every cross and call that 17 times a game if they wish. To root around and call that at the end of the game is complete horseshit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soccerpro View Post
    This ^
    That said, just re-watched the Berna play (Berna was wrong) but the play should not have been stopped, Richie got all ball, don’t disagree there was contact but the ref blew the call on that play and a potential TFC scoring chance. We lacked discipline, but that is and was incompetence. IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    He literally gave four of their players the "one, two, three" signal and didn't card any of them. And the touchline judge missing the shove on Ritchie and calling it a throw was embarrassingly unprofessional given that he was three feet from the play.
    Persistent infringement is the biggest ref blindspot in this league. Its been noted for years. NOW...it can go the other way with card happy (Elfath on Wednesday in Montreal) But they let teams get away with fouls while watching player foul counts - bad work.

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    our lads have some discipline issues, lol we all know that - they take ownership in the last 10 minutes of that gongshow lol. But... lol man do MLS refs or even some PL refs need to go and sit in on some NHL referring courses and psychology. A ref simply being able to ref out of a rulebook and calling a card at the moment of action... should not be enough at all to be an mls or PL ref. The ref shouldn't just be a policeman, they should be for 90 minutes an equal to the player in personality and respect (not position), and be a teacher and facilitator of the flow of the game. Build the relationships, de escalate and manage dynamics by setting tone with transparency and mutual respect. Show the players early what limitations are, without retroactively chucking a card out to show them whats tolerated and whats not. Talking emotional intelligence, them and the linesmen and 4th.

    Theres many Hockey refs as much as we mock them when its against our team, that are very good at this. They are very transparent with the players, they coach throughout the game (regular season) limitations. They will talk with a player about rough play or a scenario that went down, and let them know when an arm is gonna come up, or they will get a warning or when its fair to make that retaliatory play. Oddly enough, i've seen an interview with the polish ref that does many of the WC's/CL's who is a very good ref - and says besides colina, a lot of his philosophy and man managing of the game is taken from his love for hockey and watching hockey refs proactively manage personalities and the flow.

    MLS refs are so shit at this. Like so shit. I've sat close to the field to hear the conversations, seen the mic ups. Very few do any of this shit and feels like the scope of their role on the field is to be a policeman of the rulebook in that moment. They might have a chat and give them warnings, but there's minimal facilitation or scoping with the player to let them whats within limits for todays' 90 minutes. They just yell the warnings, or sometimes not even.. and duck behind the rulebook and the cardbook in a form of just escalating tension by carding everyone who starts getting hostile with them & var. Any ref that manages conflict and players with cards as a form of coercive power/penalty... they are doing a shit job managing the flow leading up to that point in time. Baring extremely rare unhinged circumstances. Yes i'd go so far as to say, that if a ref had that element to their abilities - bernadeschi and others wouldn't smash a ball 40 yards out of disrespect, or it would be a non factor in the ref feeling undermined and needing to chuck card.
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    I like Herdman and give him credit for the turn around but he caused the loss today. His poor judgement and poor subs did us in today.

    Berna should have been subbed off prior to his red. He was gassed. 2 stupid yellows.
    Osorio does nothing on the defensive or offensive play. He should have been subbed off at half or sooner. Longstaff does so much more then Oso but can't get a start before him.
    Petretta unless he wanted to be subbed should have stayed on the field. He was playing well. Roosted got roasted once he came on.
    Kerr did nothing all game and looked lost. He should have been subbed at half. Before anyone says who to replace him with does it really matter? We played the entire game without a striker anyways.

    I agree with an earlier post that Berna has Herdman under his control. Add Oso and Insigne to that list.

    BTW - remember when Gio flew back from Italy the next day to play for TFC and played great? That showed heart and dedication. You telling me Insigne could not do this for 1 game and rejoin the family as we now go on a 2 week break? Something smells here with this situation. TFC pay him big bucks to play, not go to Italy for a mini vacation.

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    ^have to be honest, On the Gio/LI thing, would be lying if i wasnt thinking the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorsofstesab View Post
    Osorio does nothing on the defensive or offensive play. He should have been subbed off at half or sooner. Longstaff does so much more then Oso but can't get a start before him.
    Besides the fact this is wrong in general, it was also his run in midfield that created the first goal today.

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    next opponent chicago just defeated the galaxy which is a top four team in the west...we'll face them without gomis bernardeschi and who knows how many get hurt on international duty and if insigne plays or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorsofstesab View Post

    BTW - remember when Gio flew back from Italy the next day to play for TFC and played great? That showed heart and dedication. You telling me Insigne could not do this for 1 game and rejoin the family as we now go on a 2 week break? Something smells here with this situation. TFC pay him big bucks to play, not go to Italy for a mini vacation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmancan View Post
    ^have to be honest, On the Gio/LI thing, would be lying if i wasnt thinking the same thing.
    The amount of entitlement it takes to form these opinions is out of this world. Giovinco flew back from a qualifier. Mini vacation? Insigne was there because his wife went into labour with their third child. As much as you both clearly think that athletes are robots that owe you something, they are human beings too. Give your heads a shake.

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    Does anyone believe what happened to TFC tonight with the referee would happen to Miami, LAFC, or the Galaxy? Not a chance. Corruption exists in every facet of society, from business to government. Why would sports be excluded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmancan View Post
    ^have to be honest, On the Gio/LI thing, would be lying if i wasnt thinking the same thing.
    If he hadn't missed 6 weeks just before this I would have been ok with it but I don't disagree.

    It's just disappointing, the guy misses so much time for one reason or another.


    In terms of TFC we are our own worst enemy at the moment. The refs are calling everything against us and that seems to be the MO.

    Charlotte will pass us in the standings with a win today.

    Philly drew last night so we stay ahead of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorsofstesab View Post

    BTW - remember when Gio flew back from Italy the next day to play for TFC and played great? That showed heart and dedication. You telling me Insigne could not do this for 1 game and rejoin the family as we now go on a 2 week break? Something smells here with this situation. TFC pay him big bucks to play, not go to Italy for a mini vacation.
    He flew to Italy to see the birth of his child, after his wife previously had a miscarriage. What is happening in your head. I'd be fine if he missed a final for that. We were playing DC United at the beginning of June and you think he should run away from his family for that? To play DC United? Jeez Loiuse. Lost the plot over here.
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