Only if they use the "B team full season loan" so he's ineligible for the first team this season.Originally Posted by reggie
We did that inthe past with Jon Bakero.
But I'm sure they would've mentioned that in the press release if they were doing that.
Maybe they have until his ITC comes in to have to comply so will shop around for the cheapest seller.
Last edited by rydermike; 02-23-2024 at 06:39 PM.
great thx...
For me at least... part of the reasoning I was thinking we'd be playoff line this season and was optimistic of the club being able to grind out results - came mostly around the aura of both italians since end of december. It's got me pretty far in life with work and whatnot, but i'd consider myself fairly decent at reading and understanding behaviour and body language and sifting through what's a facade/bullshit/politically driven efforts vs when one is carrying a true, calm and happy organic/authentic presence & state of mind. Everything I've seen from both Berna/Insigne screams an authentic new found beginning and hope to the project - like the kind of body language and pep in step we saw in Berna when he first came to town. I'd even say Insigne now looks more naturally present and positive then he has ever been - maybe save private posts when he was around Criscito. They even now... seem more intertwined with the players, and less sitting above everyone else in the hierarchy. They might have wanted out or looked for other teams - but I don't think that's altered anything or left a negative residue. Seeing Berna glowing and fired up in the Richie clip and giving him stall back just reinforces that further.
If there was any coach who could get to players at the human level, and get them back to just playing for the romantic reasons, and to encourage them to help lead the team by example and their class- while getting them to drop the facade of trying so hard to be the leagues all-stars and the prima-donna bullshit that comes with it - it's defo Herdman. There's something in me that thinks after last year, being locked in the contracts they are in - and realizing nobody can afford them or want them back Italy or anywhere in EU, they had a bit of a grounding in terms of ego and expectations of where their place in football really is. Part of me thinks we're gonna see two Italians that aren't trying to ham it up for the cameras and try to be single baller heroes, and a lot more organic team work and encouragement.
If both italians can keep a free spirit positive vibe and don't get into full angry on-field basket cases (which like you guys said coulda been caused by a complete cultural difference and clash between MB4 and Bob/their player entourage) - We are definitely not a bottom feeder team, or one that's hopelessly destined to sit near the bottom. With some depth, Richie back crushing the right wing, good Defensive depth and a back 3/ 3-4-3... We can easily be a stable club that builds from draws into wins.
Lol if anyone needs a sip of what i'm drinking... its nothin crazy - just some matcha tea lol. Anyone have any intel/Mariner reports on the newest Defender signing?
Last edited by FiveThreeTwo; 02-23-2024 at 07:11 PM.
It'd be cool if TFC published something like this. A full roster compliance breakdown
https://www.coloradorapids.com/news/...ance-breakdown
Are we all waiting for Matty Longstaff?
Diomande waived. Theres the international roster spot for Gomis
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1761194478713422273
Doing all our transfer business in one day.
When no one picks him off waivers then what? Do we buy him out?
It should be Diomande saying Thank You to us. He got a million dollars from us (last year + this year), a free vacation to California and Florida this year for pre-season, and didn't have to do anything
Worst Bob signing? Don't think guy even played 90 min.
are all the intl slots now taken?
Yep
Somehow he managed 165 minutes
So with his $585,000 salary, that was $3545 per minute (or $7090/minute if we include this year's salary assuming he got the same salary this year )
Last edited by rydermike; 02-24-2024 at 06:28 AM.
"As I explain in the piece, #TFCLive could get some salary cap relief with this move."
https://www.tfcrepublic.ca/feb-23-toronto-fc-adama-diomande/
Last edited by Phil744; 02-23-2024 at 08:43 PM.
Saw him at the Kawasaki game in the AFC champions league midweek. Surprised when I saw him coming on late in the game, he is 38 not as quick as before obviously but he still got the aerial ability. Still probably more useful than Dio
Waivers is the first step to a buyout.
Last edited by rydermike; 02-24-2024 at 07:49 AM. Reason: resize. it was huge before
So either the league has used that discretion & then a buyout might occur or TFC is just hoping for any cap relief they can get from any team willing to bid for him.
Still doesn't explain what happens to the cap hit if nobody goes for him.
It'll count as our buyout. Same as Jozy Altidore. We waived/bought out Jozy. The Revs picked up part of his salary through waivers, we paid the rest but counted it as our buyout.
Respect.
Believe may stay on cap, in this case one year, if not picked up from waivers or Buy-Out is not exercised on him. However, believe TFC still gain his IS. Diomande situation is a two for one TFC need.
Last edited by Mr. Inbetween; 02-23-2024 at 09:46 PM.
IIUC, that is not a ‘Buy-Out’ per see unless the original club does not even want to retain the charge on the budget for however remaining years. In Jozy’s case I think it was one. So TFC likely needed his cap space?
It is still a buyout, regardless of whether the cap hit is retained or not. It's the definition of buyout, you buy (ie pay someone) out of their responsibilities. We're paying Dio out of his responsibilities under the term of his contract. MLS gives each team one "cap free" buyout, but they can always buy out as many players as they want. It's just the additional buyouts retain their cap hit.
Buyout and waiving are the same thing since you're paying out the player to not play for you. Waiving is required to buyout. NBA uses the same terminology - a waived nba player has gotten bought out. Where I think people get confused is because the NHL has two different types of waivers - regular waivers when they want to send someone to the AHL but still keep their contract, but another team can claim them and unconditional waivers for the purpose of a buyout. MLS uses the nba type.
We've decided to rid ourselves of the contract and have to pay Dio's full salary out to get rid of him (unless someone wants him, but no one will). So we are paying his 585k. We get one free buyout, so there's no reason not to have this waiving count as it. If the choice is either A) buyout his deal @ 585k and wipe it from the cap or B) buyout his deal at 585k and keep it on the cap, it's obvious what to do.
The only reason they would ever consider option B is if they are considering buying out a second contract (like Rosted/Petretta) that carries a higher cap hit later this year.
Last edited by rydermike; 02-23-2024 at 10:22 PM.
But they did did not use the buy out from last season. Think it he was a buyout target it would have been done already . They could have got rid of him and still let their 2024 one.
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Jesus fucking Christ. That's criminal. There should be minimum minute requirements in contracts to prevent con artists like him from doing shit like this.Somehow he managed 165 minutes
So with his $585,000 salary, that was $3545 per minute (or $7090/minute assuming he got the same salary this year and we have to pay it out in full)
Very probable. Waiting on Blessing out, then Longstaff in?
Disagree. Again, a B/O contract clause is understood/defined by FIFA and the EU differently; as a footballer’s right to initiate. A B/O contract clause in NA in MLS/PA context on the other hand is considered a league right to action. Also, a B/O in MLS is in part recognized as a mechanism to maximizing cap relief for the club. IMO, TFC will not use the B/O. It does not make any sense to exercise that option now. They need it holstered until just before the end of the summer window for best measure; if matters go sideways or bear fruit. IMO, their Diomande move is not about his wage, it is about his IS.
Last edited by Mr. Inbetween; 02-24-2024 at 07:49 AM.
They could've last season, but they didn't. They couldn't use it after the season though and have it count as the 2023 - so any offseason buyout would count as the 2024 one - so they just waited until the very last day before the season started. Had to be used by the end of the Second transfer window (which was August 2, 2023) - see the buyout rules posted above. Maybe they had some hope he would come back useful, considering they allowed him to try out this pre-season or maybe MLSE just tightened the purse strings and refused.
It's definitely about the International Slot, but it's still a buyout. They're paying him out in full.
But they will consider this their buyout. It is the best measure. If they wait until mid-season, the effects will be lesser. The only players earning a wage higher than Diomande (585k) who could possibly be bought out are Rosted, Petretta, Owusu in the 700-850k range (since the Italians won't be bought out - no way MLSE is going to eat 30+ million). By mid-season, their caphits already earned to date will still count. So if they wait until midseason, a buyout of one of those three will only free up the remaining salary (a net 300-400k in cap space), which is less than Diomande's full 585k. So best measure is to count Diomande's budget charge as the cap-free buyout. Whether they utilize the space or not, it's the clear option.
That would be the Bob and Bill Muppet Show at work
Expect we shall soon find out about this. No shock that losing so much would breed discontent and friction amongst those in the locker-room and management. Also, suspect there was enough blame to go around. Still, since the squad for now and the most part has remained the same, if Herdman et al get TFC to perform and they start winning markedly more than last season, your posit, in my opinion, graduates from a possibility to a high probability.
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