Match Day 11 - NER @ TFC Saturday May 6 7:39pm - Don't you wonder what we'll find

[Mr. Inbetween]

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[Mr. Inbetween]

In the weeds… too much?

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[los sonadores]

In the weeds… too much?

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The game (the world,,, life!) becoming so abstract as to become meaningless. This is nothing new but the last 20 years or so seem to have become especially good at this condition.

edit: no offence though, hah, one can learn from almost everything!

[jloome]

The game (the world,,, life!) becoming so abstract as to become meaningless. This is nothing new but the last 20 years or so seem to have become especially good at this condition.

edit: no offence though, hah, one can learn from almost everything!

Those passing flow charts are actually really telling. whether through design or defence, we were basically trapped passing sideways in our own end, and the ball only advanced laterally up the w ings. the centre of the park was lost completely. We did not advance with diagonal passing AT ALL, which seems nuts. Surely either the mids or Bob noticed this at some point?

But it's so complete I have a hard time seeing that as just defense actions. That feels like our plan was to shuttle it wide all the time, which is far too restrictive, especially when the ball never comes from the central midfielder, so there's never an angle to outlet to the winger when he's more advanced.

By contrast, New England just gave the ball to DeJuan Jones and he sprinted up the left side basically uninhibited by Bernie or Laryea, neither of whom, clearly, was playing a whole lot of defense.

Yikes.

New England barely had to break a sweat, based on those passing patterns. They just ran by us, which is why the actual number of passing lanes used is so low. By contrast, our map looks like a fucking engineering schematic.

[Canary10]

Those passing flow charts are actually really telling. whether through design or defence, we were basically trapped passing sideways in our own end, and the ball only advanced laterally up the w ings. the centre of the park was lost completely. We did not advance with diagonal passing AT ALL, which seems nuts. Surely either the mids or Bob noticed this at some point?

But it's so complete I have a hard time seeing that as just defense actions. That feels like our plan was to shuttle it wide all the time, which is far too restrictive, especially when the ball never comes from the central midfielder, so there's never an angle to outlet to the winger when he's more advanced.

By contrast, New England just gave the ball to DeJuan Jones and he sprinted up the left side basically uninhibited by Bernie or Laryea, neither of whom, clearly, was playing a whole lot of defense.

Yikes.

New England barely had to break a sweat, based on those passing patterns. They just ran by us, which is why the actual number of passing lanes used is so low. By contrast, our map looks like a fucking engineering schematic.

Also we're moving the ball mainly up the right. There was a stat saying that as well during the game. Insigne not getting involved enough. Probably why he dropped back into Michael Bradley's position at one point in the game.

[los sonadores]

Those passing flow charts are actually really telling. whether through design or defence, we were basically trapped passing sideways in our own end, and the ball only advanced laterally up the w ings. the centre of the park was lost completely. We did not advance with diagonal passing AT ALL, which seems nuts. Surely either the mids or Bob noticed this at some point?

But it's so complete I have a hard time seeing that as just defense actions. That feels like our plan was to shuttle it wide all the time, which is far too restrictive, especially when the ball never comes from the central midfielder, so there's never an angle to outlet to the winger when he's more advanced.

By contrast, New England just gave the ball to DeJuan Jones and he sprinted up the left side basically uninhibited by Bernie or Laryea, neither of whom, clearly, was playing a whole lot of defense.

Yikes.

New England barely had to break a sweat, based on those passing patterns. They just ran by us, which is why the actual number of passing lanes used is so low. By contrast, our map looks like a fucking engineering schematic.

That’s more or less how the game played out after the first 20 minutes. We almost always had the ball in front of their low block after attempting to get it to, or up, the wings very ineffectually and predictably. (Richie had space a few times but made poor final decisions and yes there was no defence on that side.) Coello, I think was passing forward from midfield but it was rare that our two strikers had any real chance to do anything with the ball.

[los sonadores]

Also we're moving the ball mainly up the right. There was a stat saying that as well during the game. Insigne not getting involved enough. Probably why he dropped back into Michael Bradley's position at one point in the game.

Insigne had the ball often, it seemed, but by the time it got to him he was not at all in an advantageous position. We were more direct on the right. It seemed like the tack taken in the 2nd half last week against the often narrow NYFC to get Richie loose was the main idea this time. And this time he tried to score directly.

[jloome]

That’s more or less how the game played out after the first 20 minutes. We almost always had the ball in front of their low block after attempting to get it to, or up, the wings very ineffectually and predictably. (Richie had space a few times but made poor final decisions and yes there was no defence on that side.) Coello, I think was passing forward from midfield but it was rare that our two strikers had any real chance to do anything with the ball.

Problematically, those maps show ATTEMPTS as well as completions, in the lighter shading of the arrows. We didn't even TRY to go through the middle. Coello was the only player with more than one long pass completed between the our end and the offensive zone, and none of the three midfielders moved the ball diagonally to avoid pressure.

That can only be by design. No player ignores every opportunity directly ahead of him unless he's trying to play to a plan. And whether he meant them to be completely restrictive or not, that's what happened.

[los sonadores]

Problematically, those maps show ATTEMPTS as well as completions, in the lighter shading of the arrows. We didn't even TRY to go through the middle. Coello was the only player with more than one long pass completed between the our end and the offensive zone, and none of the three midfielders moved the ball diagonally to avoid pressure.

That can only be by design. No player ignores every opportunity directly ahead of him unless he's trying to play to a plan. And whether he meant them to be completely restrictive or not, that's what happened.

Yep, I agree. That’s what it looked like and was. What it was suppose to look like I’m not sure. And yeah, what the two striker attempt was about I’m not sure either. Maybe that was a failed attempt make things more central and probably not tried in training. Actually, it would be worth watching again with this stuff in mind… if it weren’t so gawd awful. I don’t think I could stomach it again.

[Joe Kool]

We went through a time when the only plan we seemed to have was get the ball to Giovinco. Every team knew it and double teamed Giovinco and we didn't seem to have a plan B at that time so the offense died. It almost feels like the same situation now with the Italians and sometimes we have players making riskier pass attempts to get them the ball versus the straight forward play to a non-Italian closer to them. Even Berna tries at least a couple times per game to pass from one side of the field all the way across to Insigne. Last game it went well over the advertising board too when he tried. Not even close. The only thing I was thinking of is does he have no confidence in the players around him....aside from Laryea who he will pass to regularly.

[jloome]

We went through a time when the only plan we seemed to have was get the ball to Giovinco. Every team knew it and double teamed Giovinco and we didn't seem to have a plan B at that time so the offense died. It almost feels like the same situation now with the Italians and sometimes we have players making riskier pass attempts to get them the ball versus the straight forward play to a non-Italian closer to them. Even Berna tries at least a couple times per game to pass from one side of the field all the way across to Insigne. Last game it went well over the advertising board too when he tried. Not even close. The only thing I was thinking of is does he have no confidence in the players around him....aside from Laryea who he will pass to regularly.

Yeah, you're right. By about the two-thirds point of the games against Philly and New England, they started looking for each other and ignoring the middle.

[ag futbol]

We went through a time when the only plan we seemed to have was get the ball to Giovinco. Every team knew it and double teamed Giovinco and we didn't seem to have a plan B at that time so the offense died. It almost feels like the same situation now with the Italians and sometimes we have players making riskier pass attempts to get them the ball versus the straight forward play to a non-Italian closer to them. Even Berna tries at least a couple times per game to pass from one side of the field all the way across to Insigne. Last game it went well over the advertising board too when he tried. Not even close. The only thing I was thinking of is does he have no confidence in the players around him....aside from Laryea who he will pass to regularly.

You raise a good point though re: Giovinco. Individual brilliance is what Giovinco did and is what made him one of the best (if not the best) MLS players ever.

As good as LI and Berna are, they aren’t really the “create something from nothing” type. And don’t get me wrong, I think they are both brilliant and highly capable footballers with all around qualities far better than Gio (their careers would say as much). But this is MLS and where the average player sometimes isn’t much and rosters are thin, should we not have at least one guy somewhere on this roster who can do it all himself and has a bit more pace?