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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    No coach takes off a midfielder 20 minutes in because he's on a tactical yellow card.

    Now, if he gets a warning after that "No more fouls or you get a second yellow" then, yes he's taken off.

    But MB is astute at knowing how to avoid the second yellow. Oso is the same, truth be told.


    MY issue is there is no decent sub for our current 4 mids - that's a problem.
    No one was for Bob to take Michael off in the 20 minute, it’s coaching 101 you take him off at halftime or 60 minute because players become tentative when they are on a yellow, it worked out last night for Bob but next time it might not, he just isn’t a good coach plain and simple, team was gassed in the DC match but he stubbornly made no substitutions, Tim Bits coaching in full display

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    O’Neil is post concussion (syndrome) according to Bradley. Maybe going back to last season. But he’s been cleared by a specialist to return to training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydermike View Post
    My prediction for the next lineup with international callups missing. Im going to say a 3-5-2/5-3-2 however you want to call it. (I'm assuming ONill is hurt since he wasnt in the 18 yesterday)

    Johnson
    Franklin-Rosted-Hedges-MacNauton-Petretta
    Servania-Bradley-Thompson
    Bernadeschi-Kerr

    Bench: Ranjitsingh-JMR-Gutierrez-Vazquez-Mbongue-Perruzza-Antonoglou

    IR- ONeill, Insigne, Diomande

    INTL - Romero, Laryea, Osorio, Kaye, Akinola
    Looks a reasonable guess. If Bob is going to use three at the back it’s likely to be now. I’d like to see Gutierrez in there at some point but no doubt it’ll depend on how he trains.

    I’m also hoping VV gets some time. With him you know that when he has the ball it’s not likely to be lost (at all, never mind in bad places) and it’s going smartly forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    This isn't about being a fan. Our board culture has to be unique, given the unique situation here in Toronto/MLS.

    There is no media coverage to speak of. We get a Neil Davidson story once a month, and, if you can afford it, the Molinaro blogsite. After that you are into the world of clickseekers... and then twitter/reddit, which are sewers.

    I come here because, uniquely, there are, call it, 20-30 informed people with interesting informed opinions about what is going on. This place is about good, informed analysis. Interesting discussion. The place to dig deeper the way the media might, if it existed.

    This is the TFC coffeehouse. Not the nightclub.

    This is not what all fans want. Many of the people that have "passion" and are legit fans, but they might still "wreck" the coffeehouse. When I flew down to Guadalajara to see TFC in the CCL final, I was surrounded by Innebriati on the same plane, and wound up talking to some of them. I found their opinions about the game/team pretty uninteresting, even wild and unbelievable - but boy did they bring the atmosphere in the stadium, and of course, they are fully legit supporters.

    If you are here, just be part of some good conversation, in the only place it's happening - that's my ask.
    Very nice. I like the distinction you’ve made. And the analogy to the cafe rather than the nightclub/bar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Section 223 View Post
    No one was for Bob to take Michael off in the 20 minute, it’s coaching 101 you take him off at halftime or 60 minute because players become tentative when they are on a yellow, it worked out last night for Bob but next time it might not, he just isn’t a good coach plain and simple, team was gassed in the DC match but he stubbornly made no substitutions, Tim Bits coaching in full display
    There was no threat of him getting a red. He's smart. No coach takes a player off simply because they're on a yellow. Get a grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canary10 View Post
    There was no threat of him getting a red. He's smart. No coach takes a player off simply because they're on a yellow. Get a grip.
    Of course coaches take off players that get yellows.....precisely to avoid going down a man. Am a Real fan, have seen Camavinga get subbed off at half quite a few times this year already due to an early card as an example....

    Now Mike doesn't move around much and get stuck in tackles so the risk of a second yellow is less than someone like a Caseimiro, my man Sergio Ramos, etc...but still, the risk is there. And his yellow was because he got left in the dust on a counter and had to take the man down as it was.

    And coaches all over the world take off players that get an early yellow...like my good friend Sec 223 says, either at half or early in the second half. You don't walk a tight rope and be tentative on tackles and other teams will target the player that has a yellow to try and get them a red...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hala Hrvatska View Post
    Of course coaches take off players that get yellows.....precisely to avoid going down a man. Am a Real fan, have seen Camavinga get subbed off at half quite a few times this year already due to an early card as an example....

    Now Mike doesn't move around much and get stuck in tackles so the risk of a second yellow is less than someone like a Caseimiro, my man Sergio Ramos, etc...but still, the risk is there. And his yellow was because he got left in the dust on a counter and had to take the man down as it was.

    And coaches all over the world take off players that get an early yellow...like my good friend Sec 223 says, either at half or early in the second half. You don't walk a tight rope and be tentative on tackles and other teams will target the player that has a yellow to try and get them a red...
    Hundreds of examples of players not being taken off on a yellow too. Like just this weekend Luke Ayling got a yellow in the 24th minute, and wasn't taken off and scored in the 49th, and stayed on the whole game. He tends to get stuck in as you say.

    This isn't a point to go at Bob on. It's just another one of the fabricated points you guys keep going to as part of your vendetta against the Bradleys. Also Bob was right, as there wasn't a second yellow, or even anything close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canary10 View Post
    Hundreds of examples of players not being taken off on a yellow too. This isn't a point to go at Bob on. It's just another one of the fabricated points you guys keep going to as part of your vendetta against the Bradleys. Also Bob was right, as there wasn't a second yellow, or even anything close.
    I think the better discussion to have would be why did MB have to stray out of his pocket to make the tackle? Did someone else neglect their defensive duties or was it MB’s fault. Makes a big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canary10 View Post
    Hundreds of examples of players not being taken off on a yellow too. Like just this weekend Luke Ayling got a yellow in the 24th minute, and wasn't taken off and scored in the 49th, and stayed on the whole game. He tends to get stuck in as you say.

    This isn't a point to go at Bob on. It's just another one of the fabricated points you guys keep going to as part of your vendetta against the Bradleys. Also Bob was right, as there wasn't a second yellow, or even anything close.

    I don't have a "vendetta". I call it like I see it and as a season ticket holder I want to resume winning and being an elite team in the MLS. Nothing is "fabricated" about managers taking players off who have yellows, and using fresher subs without a yellow.

    PS no idea who Luke Ayling is. I'll take your word for it though. Of course, players can play with yellows, but the risk of a second is there. Less likely with Mike like I said due to not getting stuck in like a Camavinga, Caseimiro, Ramos, and whomever Ayling is. One slip, one mili second "late" on a tackle, and its a second yellow and the team goes down a man. Or a "tactical" handball or tackle, or shirt pull to stop a counter, when you have a yellow, you can't do it....or will risk a red.

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamp Berg View Post
    I think the better discussion to have would be why did MB have to stray out of his pocket to make the tackle? Did someone else neglect their defensive duties or was it MB’s fault. Makes a big difference.
    Something you CAN criticize MB on is that he tends to take on too much for his current ability - he still thinks he's 25, at Roma, and bodying fools when in reality..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hala Hrvatska View Post
    and whomever Ayling is.
    He's the starting right back for Leeds United.

    This is a silly debate. Of course players are sometimes taken off for being on a yellow. But equally, there was no indication Bradley was at risk of a second, so why would be taken off early?

    Players are removed for the "risk" of a second when the pace and style of play indicates they're likely to get one or be targeted to get one. Neither was the case this past weekend, so it's a nonsensical talking point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuushalinsky View Post
    Something you CAN criticize MB on is that he tends to take on too much for his current ability - he still thinks he's 25, at Roma, and bodying fools when in reality..
    You can, sure, but he's been our most consistent midfielder by a country mile this season, and was good again that game.
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    Whoscored player ratings for Miami

    Johnson 7.4
    Petretta 7.5
    Rosted 7.9
    Hedges 7.1
    Laryea 8.0
    Kaye 8.4
    Bradley 6.7
    Osorio 8.4
    Servania 7.9
    Bernadeschi 7.5
    Kerr 6.3

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    You can, sure, but he's been our best midfielder by a country mile this season, and was good again that game.
    Thats because our midfield threesome isn't great and has been overun badly (apart from last game) first three games. Kaye and Oso (despite the goals the other night) have been pretty bad so far, but have chipped in offensively a little at least. Am hoping it continues. Of course, if Insigne was playing, it would make everyone look better, so fingers crossed he comes back soon.

    Like I mentioned, would love a DP attacking midfielder who can hold onto the ball, create, etc...but the target big man up front is the priority for me as we can't continue to let teams double/triple team Fede.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    Whoscored player ratings for Miami

    Johnson 7.4
    Petretta 7.5
    Rosted 7.9
    Hedges 7.1
    Laryea 8.0
    Kaye 8.4
    Bradley 6.7
    Osorio 8.4
    Servania 7.9
    Bernadeschi 7.5
    Kerr 6.3
    Sounds about right to me except for Kerr. He literally did nothing....

    Kaye's giveaways under little to no pressure should warrant a bit lower rating...but his goal and pre assist to the pre assist for Oso's goal bumped him up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hala Hrvatska View Post
    Sounds about right to me except for Kerr. He literally did nothing....

    Kaye's giveaways under little to no pressure should warrant a bit lower rating...but his goal and pre assist to the pre assist for Oso's goal bumped him up.
    I think whoscored starts guys at a '6' rather t han the traditional '5' midpoint, so if they dont' fuck anything up, they get at least a 6, thus Kerr.

    Kaye is difficult to judge. He actually has our highest rating for the season at 7.38, slightly above Bernadeschi.

    But I think that's because the system only penalizes when a fuck-up leads directly to opposition points, but gives credit with every completed pass and shot, basically.

    So if he fucks up twice but scores two goals, only the goals get referenced in his rating if the fuck-ups had no consequence.

    Kaye is weird. At time, he charges forward and looks exceptional, with good close control and small touches. At other times, he looks like he's thinking about cartoons or something, because he just loses focus.

    In the Atlanta game, he completed something like 25 consecutive passes... and then missed five of his next six.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    Whoscored player ratings for Miami

    Johnson 7.4
    Petretta 7.5
    Rosted 7.9
    Hedges 7.1
    Laryea 8.0
    Kaye 8.4
    Bradley 6.7
    Osorio 8.4
    Servania 7.9
    Bernadeschi 7.5
    Kerr 6.3
    That’s the way I saw it also Kerr and Bradley two lowest numbers seems fair to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section 223 View Post
    No one was for Bob to take Michael off in the 20 minute, it’s coaching 101 you take him off at halftime or 60 minute because players become tentative when they are on a yellow, it worked out last night for Bob but next time it might not, team was gassed in the DC match but he stubbornly made no substitutions,
    Edited above to agree with most of it. There was a challenge MB had to walk away from the ref explaining quickly that it wasn't much in second half i believe. That was a nervous moment. 60 mins sub at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fort York Redcoat View Post
    Edited above to agree with most of it. There was a challenge MB had to walk away from the ref explaining quickly that it wasn't much in second half i believe. That was a nervous moment. 60 mins sub at least.
    Yes that challenge by Michael if it was touch more clumsy could of led to a second yellow , someone one posted Who scored numbers for the game , it’s no accident that Michael was ranked second last next to Kerr, as I posted earlier this is due to the tentative play that a footballer takes when he is on a yellow, but as I think about our coach I wonder who he could of replaced Michael with as he has purged our club of any midfield replacement for his son.

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    Michael Bradley this, Michael Bradley that. How many times has the guy been sent off for a second yellow in a game? None that I ever recollect as a tfc player.

    If anything Richie Laryea was more at risk, and he should've been subbed off instead. But guess what, WE HAVE NO DEPTH.

    Just let it go man. We won the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    This isn't about being a fan. Our board culture has to be unique, given the unique situation here in Toronto/MLS.

    There is no media coverage to speak of. We get a Neil Davidson story once a month, and, if you can afford it, the Molinaro blogsite. After that you are into the world of clickseekers... and then twitter/reddit, which are sewers.

    I come here because, uniquely, there are, call it, 20-30 informed people with interesting informed opinions about what is going on. This place is about good, informed analysis. Interesting discussion. The place to dig deeper the way the media might, if it existed.

    This is the TFC coffeehouse. Not the nightclub.

    This is not what all fans want. Many of the people that have "passion" and are legit fans, but they might still "wreck" the coffeehouse. When I flew down to Guadalajara to see TFC in the CCL final, I was surrounded by Innebriati on the same plane, and wound up talking to some of them. I found their opinions about the game/team pretty uninteresting, even wild and unbelievable - but boy did they bring the atmosphere in the stadium, and of course, they are fully legit supporters.

    If you are here, just be part of some good conversation, in the only place it's happening - that's my ask.
    Well stated. Articulate, nuanced and poignant. A meaningful post. The hope for differentiation and distinction. Why I enjoy and engage this great RPB Forum community.

    Exceptional... 'This is the TFC coffeehouse. Not the nightclub'.

 

 

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