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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    So Gutierrez, Vasquez, Diomande, Petretta, Coello, Blessing, Owusu and Mailula are all international slots. I assume we'll have at least two and possibly three of those free for next season.
    By rules, Petretta and Vazquez are eligible to be classed as domestics next year. Why Gutierrez is labeled as an international is beyond me.

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    Vaquez is already a domestic - was last year at LAG.

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    Hey can we get a Neymar to TFC rumour going here? I mean, who says no?
    "There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    Hey can we get a Neymar to TFC rumour going here? I mean, who says no?
    Me. 30+, always injured, more into a party than play, guaranteed crying Defoe-ish issues. Pass.

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    Neymar's drop off as a player is going to be worse than Ronaldinhos, in terms of pure dribbling and technique he is the only player to ever match Ronaldinho.

    Shame how some of the brightest Brazilian players fizzle out so fast, I guess Samba football is double edged like that, you can make them professional, but you can't ever take the Samba out of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Neymar's drop off as a player is going to be worse than Ronaldinhos, in terms of pure dribbling and technique he is the only player to ever match Ronaldinho.

    Shame how some of the brightest Brazilian players fizzle out so fast, I guess Samba football is double edged like that, you can make them professional, but you can't ever take the Samba out of them.
    I love it, though. In a world of media trained, personalityless robots, give me a Neymar or a Ronaldinho any day of the week. I'd take a flawed genius every time, the game is so much more interesting with them and they're a dying breed as the standard of play gets too high to be effective while bathing in champagne 7 nights a week and honestly, that's a shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Vaquez is already a domestic - was last year at LAG.
    Not according to the MLS roster page: https://www.torontofc.ca/roster/
    He is listed as International

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeForbes View Post
    By rules, Petretta and Vazquez are eligible to be classed as domestics next year. Why Gutierrez is labeled as an international is beyond me.
    Gutierrez is definitely just a typo on the website (we've seen errors on that before). He was born in Canada and gets Canada call-ups. Owusu isn't listed as an International on the website, which he definitely is (which is why Diomande had to get placed on the Season Ending Injury List on the same day he signed in order to open up the international slot for his signing)

    These are our current internationals. Ibarra has a Green card

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    Quote Originally Posted by wopchop View Post
    Not according to the MLS roster page: https://www.torontofc.ca/roster/
    He is listed as International
    He fills one of the bonus International slots for players that have played one season in Canada. I think that's what people meant by "domestic"

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoesphNdo View Post
    I love it, though. In a world of media trained, personalityless robots, give me a Neymar or a Ronaldinho any day of the week. I'd take a flawed genius every time, the game is so much more interesting with them and they're a dying breed as the standard of play gets too high to be effective while bathing in champagne 7 nights a week and honestly, that's a shame.
    Oh yeah I agree, flair and individualism in football has been all but eradicated, and discouraged at the academy football level for awhile now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Neymar's drop off as a player is going to be worse than Ronaldinhos, in terms of pure dribbling and technique he is the only player to ever match Ronaldinho.
    Denilson. Deeply flawed footballer compared to the other two but he could dribble an entire team.

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    neymar wouldn't come here (MLS) to compete and win.

    sure he'd be fun to watch the times he decides to show up. feel like they'd be few are far between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    Denilson. Deeply flawed footballer compared to the other two but he could dribble an entire team.
    Well... he thought he could.

    I do seem to remember him trying to hog the ball in MLS though, and it did not go well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    Well... he thought he could.

    I do seem to remember him trying to hog the ball in MLS though, and it did not go well.
    That was the shell of the younger guy. But yes, that was one of his problems, he would literally just go on a kamikaze mission and refuse to pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    That was the shell of the younger guy. But yes, that was one of his problems, he would literally just go on a kamikaze mission and refuse to pass.
    To be fair that's pretty much always been him, but it was fun to watch. It's how he was maybe the biggest flop in football history (world record transfer fee, very little return) and yet the Betis fans still love him apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    That was the shell of the younger guy. But yes, that was one of his problems, he would literally just go on a kamikaze mission and refuse to pass.
    Oh, I remember how good he was when younger at Betis. A lot of people were calling him the potential greatest ever, even though he was never much of a goalscorer.

    By the time he got to MLS he reminded me of how Bernardeschi is now, with the top gear not quite quick enough. So he'd beat one guy, try to pull some dipsy-doodle shit on two more and get stripped.

    EDIT: In checking Betis, because my memory is becoming swiss cheese, I noticed he went to Saudi first, before MLS. Kiss of death, that league. Training standards are notoriously shit. I'm not sure the recent buying spree will have changed that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    Oh, I remember how good he was when younger at Betis. A lot of people were calling him the potential greatest ever, even though he was never much of a goalscorer.

    By the time he got to MLS he reminded me of how Bernardeschi is now, with the top gear not quite quick enough. So he'd beat one guy, try to pull some dipsy-doodle shit on two more and get stripped.
    Ooooooooof.

    $6M+ to be compared to one of, if not the biggest MLS DP bust of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoesphNdo View Post
    To be fair that's pretty much always been him, but it was fun to watch. It's how he was maybe the biggest flop in football history (world record transfer fee, very little return) and yet the Betis fans still love him apparently.
    Entertainment factor was definitely 10+

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    Save us Besiktas.


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    Dimarzio reporting, very credible.

    If 4 mill net salary is accurate this is gonna get done.

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    Imagine if we get a transfer fee for him.

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    Two year offer only. But Fede has 4 years on his TFC deal.

    I can’t see Fede doing this without TFC paying him something meaningful for those last two years.
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    I think this gets through. He can be there for a year then either ask for a transfer or leave after 2025

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    Two year offer only. But Fede has 4 years on his TFC deal.

    I can’t see Fede doing this without TFC paying him something meaningful for those last two years.
    So technically Berna has 3.5 years left on his deal untill end of 2026. His Turkey deal will be untill the end of 2025. So 1 year difference for him isnt huge id imagine

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    And it’s 4 million, net. Depending on his tax incidence here I would almost assume they are paying him more.

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    This is also and may be his best chance out of here. If he doesnt really consider this, then I dont know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    Two year offer only. But Fede has 4 years on his TFC deal.

    I can’t see Fede doing this without TFC paying him something meaningful for those last two years.
    4 million euros net is significantly more than he makes here.

    And he's done in under 3.5 years
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    Quote Originally Posted by leedsandTFC View Post
    4 million euros net is significantly more than he makes here.
    I'll believe it when I see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    I'll believe it when I see it.
    Fair but dimarzio is the gold standard.

    He has 3.5 years left here, making net 2.9 M after tax (usd). Total remaining is: 9.86 M usd, 9 mill euro.

    So 4 mill euro net over 2 years only 1 mill less, and marketing opportunities for a player over there significantly more as those fans are fanatical.

    This is assuming he makes the same every year. Could easily see last couple years of deal here being lower.

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    Did we actually ink him for 5 years? I mean, add that to the list of stupid things Manning has done. That’s simply too long a commitment.

 

 

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