Incoming over generalizations
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/MattDoyle76/status/1610049539385298945
I like Doyle but a guy can't be in depth about every team - its not possible.
Incoming over generalizations
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/MattDoyle76/status/1610049539385298945
I like Doyle but a guy can't be in depth about every team - its not possible.
So it was £175 million a year/about $210 million American. Sporting KC was “close” to that? That’s a laugh. Can’t believe they printed that article. It was cute that they we’re going to bring in Patrick Mahomes to “seal the deal.” Would that name mean anything at all to Ronaldo? I doubt it. He’s no Drake!Originally Posted by Smokecell
Last edited by Canary10; 01-03-2023 at 08:12 AM.
I disagree with the speculation that MLS will give Messi or anyone hundreds of millions in franchise value.
On the Beckham deal. At the time franchise expansion fees were $10M, and they gave hime the option to buy a team for $25M. His salary was $32M for 5 years. The franchise thing was a sweetener, it was not something that was intended to have the kind of value it wound up having, MLS had no idea how bad a deal that deal would turn out to be.
Even if they did it again, the equivalent today would see them giving Messi or Ronaldo or whomever the option to buy an MLS team for $800M or something.
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
I am not as irked as some about the absurdity of the Sporting KC / Ronaldo to MLS Story.
Sure, at a 200M/YR contract, I completely agree it is a ridiculous proposition and consideration.
That chatter should be positioned in the annals of managerial face-saving doublespeak as 'a stretch goal'.
Close? Nope. Maybe in a hand grenades and horseshoes sense.
Hard even for me to fathom this amount for MLS; that calculus is just so astronomical/impossible at this time.
Yet, at this discussion's core, at a 75M/YR target, not so much.
I think that number was reasonable and MLS/Franchisee doable.
Even though 'pushing the envelope' of financial creativity.
Lolo has recently taught me never to say never and to realize where there is a will, there is a way.
Would not be the first time MLS has shifted or murked their goalposts on their salary rules and mechanisms.
Made 'business' sense for me on several levels for a host of association football reasons.
Petkovic would be a great signing but I doubt that Zagreb would let him go very easily. He is under contract till 2024 and would cost around $8-10 million if you believe transfermarket
You may be right, and probably are, but I do wonder. Don't forget, they need only give a % of a franchise, not the whole thing, and the sponsorship and image rights opportunities in the US are significantly higher than in Saudi (And these are revenue streams that can keep being realized after retirement, there is significantly more value from being a name in the US vs one in Saudi).
Mainly I think that IF MLS think they can push Apple TV subs beyond US/Canada don't be surprised if they do some pretty earth shattering things. This Apple TV gamble could be anywhere from a disaster to the thing that turns MLS into a global league (Not this cycle, but eventually), that's how wide the spectrum of outcomes are here. The league may suddenly throw some caution to the wind in a way that would surprise us in order to make it work. We shall see.
But I think we can all agree there was never any possibility of Ronaldo in an SKC jersey, ever. There was more chance of the Brazilian one signing there today than Cristiano
Last edited by JoesphNdo; 01-03-2023 at 08:58 AM.
It made me laugh that the article mentions a few times that if SKC did this again the player would have to make sense for the team and the city. As if Ronaldo checked off all the boxes of good sense.
So, Cho's probably a great player - one problem is that he'd basically be the Korean Atomic Ant for us at 154 CM. If we were playing that style, it may not be as big an issue but if I would like a larger striker given we have two Top XI caliber wingers.
Agreed. The issue with this team right now is other teams pack the box with defenders and murder us on the counter. Need a true target in the box to clear space and a faster midfield presence to deal with the issue.
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Wiki says he is 188cm, 6 foot 2 inches. In person he looked taller. He looked great in the air.
My question would be, looking at his wiki, that he may not have done enough over time to warrant a big fee, and that Lorenzo and Bernie need (and deserve) someone more proven in the role. We are not a club that could bring a signing like this along slowly.
Last edited by ensco; 01-03-2023 at 11:26 AM.
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
Did I look at the wrong guy? That's my bad tbh
LAFC with 5 DPs and 7 or so max TAM players. Basically being allowed to be the Bayern/Man City of MLS.
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/tombogert/status/1610460857611481090?s=20&t=FGkm7JD3I-QPeO6bOYfvug
Austin signs 25-year-old Finnish international centre half.
https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/austi...k-leo-vaisanen
Seems like the kind of guy we should be trying for.
he is too young not american enough and not expensive enough for tfc
You need to have a competent scouting staff in place to uncover decent quality foreign players in lower leagues that are willing to come to MLS. TFC doesn't have one.
If you are just signing big name DP's and existing MLS players who are already known, then why even bother to have a scouting staff?
Think we can call the Mattheus Klich to DC rumor solid, given that they said goodbye to him at the end of Leeds' home game versus West Ham.
Solid player, definitely elite in MLS terms.
If anybody knows the exact details of ANY MLS teams' scouting department, please let us all know
i.e. The assumption Austin has a great big scouting group because they got this guy is....a leap.
I would have thought LAG's would be great - then I read that Vanney had to create the analytics department there.
Like Jesus Jimenez?
You're extrapolating too much here dude. There are tens of thousands of quality football players out there in the world. Toronto can't be on top of every single one of them.
The “younger quality European” is an extremely tricky channel of the market, one that we have tried to navigate, and one that we have never succeeded in (Stefanovic, Bostock, Aketxe). It's not easy - LAG blew $6M million on the Cabral transfer, and just gave him away 18 months later.
But it is one I would expect BB to have tried to play in by now, given his relationships in Scandinavia, France, Egypt…
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
Jimenez had 1 goal since the end of June and lost his starting job to Akinola in August, who also had a lousy year. Jimenez makes just under a mill in salary. So far this has turned out to be another bad signing.
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/LAFC/status/1610807165307977728
No such thing as a bad two year deal. Good pickup for LAFC.
But at the beginning of the year it looked like he was going to lead the league in scoring. It was still a very good find by the standard you're setting.
But yes, he's unsettled now. Hopefully they can figure out what to do with him this year.
The point that I am trying to make is that since the championship contending years TFC has had a terrible track record in signing international players. Is this on scouting or on management? I suspect it ultimately is on both.
Back in the winning years TFC was able to sign quality internationals on reasonable contacts. Players such as Vazquez, Mavinga, Cheyrou, Hasler and Benezet come to mind, all of whom made notable contributions to the club's success.
You need to supplement your roster with these types of players to win in MLS. You can't solely rely on DP's, as we witnessed last year. Why we can no longer find these types of players is a mystery to me.
This in my opinion has been the club's biggest failing since Vanney left. And so far I see no evidence that things have changed in the BB era.
Last edited by NK Toronto; 01-04-2023 at 10:31 PM.
Fair enough - I think a lot of 2015-2017 was built on connections from Bez & Vanney & TL.
I just have no clue if ANY MLS team has a good scouting department.
The hardest part about scouting for MLS is probably just the uniqueness of roster qualities. Within the same lineup you have world class players (let's call them 5 stars), solid tier two players (let's call them 3 star players) and journeymen/below level players (lets call them one stars). How is one of those 5* players who is used to playing with other 4* and 5* players going to handle teammates so far below the level he's used to (the DP buying in risk), how is that 3* player going to adjust from being a solid player in a 3* league to joining a team with some 5* above his level (ie. a Jimenez type). How are those 1* players going to deal with instead of jumping up to a 2* league, moving to a league that also has some 3-5* players in it (ie. the CPL to MLS guys going from playing with and facing CPL guys to facing Gareth Bale and playing with Insigne).
The quality disparity is so unique compared to other leagues where talent is more even, it has got to be difficult to really predict. Sorry if that was confusing/didn't make a ton of sense. The idea made sense in my head, but translating it to actual words was a bit complicated
Last edited by rydermike; 01-04-2023 at 11:13 PM.
I hear what you are saying, but that is a challenge faced by every MLS club. Other teams in MLS are able to find quality internationals, and we used to be able as well, but not in recent years. Why? Was it the departure of Bez and Vanney? Curtis was a disaster but he is long gone. Maybe the club needs to revamp its entire soccer infrastructure, starting with a separate and fully dedicated sports director and a new scouting staff?
Last edited by NK Toronto; 01-04-2023 at 11:53 PM.
it is kinda broke.the fact that manning is the prez for 2 teams is a joke
Please stay on topic here (non-TFC MLS transfers). As much as we may envy some teams' moves, this isn't a Bill Manning or TFC scouting thread.
If accurate, this is an interesting development in contrast to the exodus theme recently experienced at CFM.
Perhaps, the gravitas of their new coach?
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/Kevin_teya/status/1610489884812382210
Last edited by Mr. Inbetween; 01-05-2023 at 10:05 AM.
I think he would have trouble getting anywhere above $1M a season anywhere else. He's a good player but he's not a dominantly good player. He was good at Celtic, he was good at Tottenham, but competently good, not "take the team on my back" good. He had a few moments like that at Montreal.
If they made him a TAM offer it makes sense.
I was looking at wages for 30-year-old plus top-level players in Britain and it's easy to forget most are still seen as journeymen and squad players... just good enough to do so at the top level. After the starting 11, salaries go down very quickly for players over 30. If he's not quick enough for the Premier League anymore, then the Championship or SPL are only going to offer probably $5-15,000 a week, which is about half what Montreal will probably pay him.
So it makes sense financially, I imagine.
Good player though.
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