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    Quote Originally Posted by leedsandTFC View Post
    wrong on all fronts.

    we leaked goals because we had bad defenders, a bad goalkeeper and players upfront who turn the ball over in bad spots.

    lafc had an equally immobile player playing the 6 (who is also a good passer) and won the double last year employing a similar formation.

    incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leedsandTFC View Post
    the vitriolic hate towards the most successful captain in the club's history is insane lol.

    if you look at the lineup we had out in the second half at atlanta featuring henry, achara, akinola, okello, macnaughton and multiple teenagers and think MB was the issue...i just am lost for words.

    this is just an agenda that won't be changed by facts.

    but in case it can be, check out his stats from last year, which are excellent on every single thing.

    https://fbref.com/en/players/fd5e3a7...couting-Report
    Bob -his father stripped the team down to have those players be surrounded by MB- was it to ensure he was guaranteed 90Ms X full season? who knows -but it goes hand in hand - no way around it.

    I believe we are all lost for words to the nepotism and blinders here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    The risk for this year is immense. "next year" isn't a succession plan. And nothing we have seen indicates anybody in the brain trust thinks MB isn't an everyday starter.

    100 % agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    This is my fear...that the lesson from last year is the defence was bad without taking into account the role the midfield plays in that.

    We got really enamoured with that first half against Charlotte - its becoming a bit like the 2017 win was to 2018. Instead of "yeah, but last year" its "yeah, but that 45 minutes vs. Charlotte".

    exactly where my frustration is coming from- no one in management is humble enough to recognize the errors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    Frankie Amaya passes at a 78% success rate and had three assists as a pure number six. He's one of the best DMs in the league, and if we had a chance to get him, Bradley would do it without hesitating.

    But agree to disagree, I guess. I must admit I'm amazed he only got one red card last year.
    As a leeds fan who now watches a sort of red bill football week in week out, the sort of skills players need to succeed in a red bull team vs a possession based team are radically different.

    Bradley looked terrible under armasball (as did most our players), I have little doubt amaya would look bad in a possession based team

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    I also believe its time for Osorio to take over the captaincy 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by FootBallAZ View Post
    Bob -his father stripped the team down to have those players be surrounded by MB- was it to ensure he was guaranteed 90Ms X full season? who knows -but it goes hand in hand - no way around it.

    I believe we are all lost for words to the nepotism and blinders here.
    The midfielders they let go weren't getting minutes at Colorado lmao priso was in the rapids B team.

    Fraser is in Belgium duv 2, okello is nowhere.

    Strange conspiracy theory to believe that these midfielders, who have been ignored or underused by 4 consecutive coaches and are now all playing at a lower level thN MLS , were ditched so Bradley could play more.

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    I also follow Leeds.

    He was a forward and attacking mid in college; he's very good with the ball at his feet.

    You have "little doubt"? Dude, you don't know him well enough as a player to make that call. That's evident. He's very good in possession.

    He's not Tyler Adams, but he's not a whole lot off Marc Rocca, based on how the latter has been playing this season.

    Seriously, it's just the NYRB Gegenpress being so out of control that makes him look like a psychotic hardman.

    EDIT: Plus, he's TWENTY-TWO. He's a commodity now. Michael isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FootBallAZ View Post
    exactly where my frustration is coming from- no one in management is humble enough to recognize the errors.
    They played really well a ton of games in a row, then oso got injured

    And this board is the same but for the second half vs nycfc in 2021.

    The home game vs Portland vs a team on a tear was the best football I've ever seen at bmo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leedsandTFC View Post
    The midfielders they let go weren't getting minutes at Colorado lmao priso was in the rapids B team.

    Fraser is in Belgium duv 2, okello is nowhere.

    Strange conspiracy theory to believe that these midfielders, who have been ignored or underused by 4 consecutive coaches and are now all playing at a lower level thN MLS , were ditched so Bradley could play more.
    you keep throwing jabs like this in most of the posters who disagree with you -there is no conspiracy- we seen it first hand that all mid-fields were moved leaving bradley- to play 90ms - they preach youth movement but then get rid of a young priso, fraser, and rarely used okello- cmon man- you dont see the moves that stripped TFC midfield -

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    Quote Originally Posted by leedsandTFC View Post
    They played really well a ton of games in a row, then oso got injured

    And this board is the same but for the second half vs nycfc in 2021.
    Ya se....I remember it very differently. They played decently for one half & then were knife edge close to a meltdown but surviving somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    I also follow Leeds.

    He was a forward and attacking mid in college; he's very good with the ball at his feet.

    You have "little doubt"? Dude, you don't know him well enough as a player to make that call. That's evident. He's very good in possession.

    He's not Tyler Adams, but he's not a whole lot off Marc Rocca, based on how the latter has been playing this season.

    Seriously, it's just the NYRB Gegenpress being so out of control that makes him look like a psychotic hardman.

    EDIT: Plus, he's TWENTY-TWO. He's a commodity now. Michael isn't.

    TFC needs to balance out the 30 + players who are slowing down with youth players like this- i dont know anything about him- but I agree with a lot of your analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leedsandTFC View Post
    The midfielders they let go weren't getting minutes at Colorado lmao priso was in the rapids B team.
    That's not really accurate. He started his first two games there and in both cases, was taken off early. In both cases, his defensive numbers were superb but he did something that pissed of Fraser. There was speculation from their regular blogger that he was ignoring responsibilities going forward, as Fraser when asked about it said there was more to his role than playing defence.

    It's been a regular discussion among Colorado fans as to why he wasn't playing, simply because his DM numbers were so good and he looked so assured going backwards. But it really sounds like there are attitude issues, or problems rounding out his game. It was NOT the case of him not being good enough to start. There are other issues there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    That's not really accurate. He started his first two games there and in both cases, was taken off early. In both cases, his defensive numbers were superb but he did something that pissed of Fraser. There was speculation from their regular blogger that he was ignoring responsibilities going forward, as Fraser when asked about it said there was more to his role than playing defence.

    It's been a regular discussion among Colorado fans as to why he's not playing, simply because his DM numbers were so good and he looked so assured going backwards. But it really sounds like there are attitude issues, or problems rounding out his game. It was NOT the case of him not being good enough to start. There are other issues there.

    other way to look at this was - he was good enough to move Kaye to acquire Priso.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FootBallAZ View Post
    TFC needs to balance out the 30 + players who are slowing down with youth players like this- i dont know anything about him- but I agree with a lot of your analysis.
    Yeah, he's already out of our league financially. He's rated at $2M and playing regularly, so if he goes anywhere it'll be to a TAM deal at Red Bull or to a team overseas. Given his age, I can see La Liga in Mexico or Ligue 1 in France coming in for him.

    The English teams will be scared off by his short stature. They think everyone should be built like a brick shithouse to play in Britain now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    That's not really accurate. He started his first two games there and in both cases, was taken off early. In both cases, his defensive numbers were superb but he did something that pissed of Frasier. There was speculation from their regular blogger that he was ignoring responsibilities going forward, as Fraser when asked about it said there was more to his role than playing defence.

    It's been a regular discussion among Colorado fans as to why he's not playing, simply because his DM numbers were so good and he looked so assured going backwards. But it really sounds like there are attitude issues, or problems rounding out his game. It was NOT the case of him not being good enough to start. There are other issues there.
    He started dome development games.

    And he cost tfc the one game he started with a horrible giveaway vs columbus.

    Anyways people have their opinions so I'm gonna stop trying to argue.

    I thought people would be excited at us signing multiple top end mls players in position of need but instead this bizarre obsession with Bradley persists.

    Brainworms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FootBallAZ View Post
    other way to look at this was - he was good enough to move Kaye to acquire Priso.
    Plus money

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    Quote Originally Posted by FootBallAZ View Post
    other way to look at this was - he was good enough to move Kaye to acquire Priso.
    He has huge, league-leading, top level playing potential. But young players with unfulfilled potential is practically a lower league roster trait these days.

    He's so good at reading and breaking up passes, and getting to the tackle early, that as long as he has his youth and speed, he'll find work somewhere, even if he doesn't make it in MLS or above. But if he doesn't, it'll be a fucking travesty of waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leedsandTFC View Post
    but instead this bizarre obsession with Bradley persists.

    Brainworms.
    Or, you know, the humility position might be that every other commentator watching him isn't wrong.

    Many of us have been playing and/or watching football for decades. You're not seeing or recognizing something in him we're not.

    WE had the worst transitional defense in MLS last year by some margin. It's not a small problem. It's a major, major problem, with concerns about nepotism involved, and he's the captain of the club and defacto locker room leader.

    It's a significant issue, whether you choose to accept it as such or not.

    And that's end of my piece on Bradley until we find out if we're getting any midfield depth.

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    Fraser took a risk going to Belgian Second league to a club that was seeking promotion, in a move to get consistent playing time in a top league to make the World Cup squad. The team failed to get promoted (but he did still get to go to the World Cup)

    Delgado was another player (first played out of position by Armas) who was moved, despite having performed solidly in the DM role in 2020. I know there are mixed opinions on Delgado, but the Delgado/Osorio double pivot in 2020 when Bradley was out was the best midfield play we've had in the last few years.

    I love Bradley and what he's done for this team and still feel he has a role. But as the no doubt first choice DM, he's not at that level unfortunately anymore. But frankly, it's not that he's managing to beat out competition for the role, there is no competition for the role. If depth is brought in and he beats out the compeitition, that's one thing, but there is not depth that has been brought in
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    Quote Originally Posted by rydermike View Post
    Fraser took a risk going to Belgian Second league to a club that was seeking promotion, in a move to get consistent playing time in a top league to make the World Cup squad. The team failed to get promoted (but he did still get to go to the World Cup)

    Delgado was another player (first played out of position by Armas) who was moved, despite having performed solidly in the DM role in 2020. I know there are mixed opinions on Delgado, but the Delgado/Osorio double pivot in 2020 when Bradley was out was the best midfield play we've had in the last few years.
    Only a risk in that it was a job, though. I mean, he wasn't coming back to TFC. (I guess the CPL was an option too, but who'd take that over ANY euro league?)

    I watched some highlights of him over there. He looked assured, a decent DM. The Belgian Second Division is also a HUGE dropoff from their top league, similar to the dropoff in Norway and Sweden. Cow Pasture, 4,000 seat stadiums, a mix of players so varied in talent it could practically be a fundraising exhibition.

    I thought that double pivot worked so well. It would be nice to see some flexibility from BB this year based on the roster, because it would resolve a lot of midfield pressures if we played a 5-2-3/3-4-3. Needs another fast back on the left, but makes sense if we can't get the right speed and defense balance with the central three mids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    Or, you know, the humility position might be that every other commentator watching him isn't wrong..
    I think this is why the Bradley comments get so many replies. It's not so much the content as the tone. There's a gap between "I hear you, but here's my take" and "I am the only one who knows this game, anyone who disagrees is objectively wrong or part of some conspiracy theory fringe"

    Either way, Id bet the over on 32 starts for Bradley next season if fitness permits. I don't love it but it is what it is. If Bob fails this will be a sword he will have to fall on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydermike View Post
    Fraser took a risk going to Belgian Second league to a club that was seeking promotion, in a move to get consistent playing time in a top league to make the World Cup squad. The team failed to get promoted (but he did still get to go to the World Cup)

    Delgado was another player (first played out of position by Armas) who was moved, despite having performed solidly in the DM role in 2020. I know there are mixed opinions on Delgado, but the Delgado/Osorio double pivot in 2020 when Bradley was out was the best midfield play we've had in the last few years.

    I love Bradley and what he's done for this team and still feel he has a role. But as the no doubt first choice DM, he's not at that level unfortunately anymore. But frankly, it's not that he's managing to beat out competition for the role, there is no competition for the role. If depth is brought in and he beats out the compeitition, that's one thing, but there is not depth that has been brought in

    Fraser's pass to J.David was huge huge for Canada National team- understated.

    Delgado + Osorio i agree- the ball never moved backwards- always moved forward and the ball didnt completely stop -to look arounf for a pass (MB has been doing this the last couple of season)


    on top of that- when MB everyone seems to defer to him- I only noticed once Osorio came back they really ignored MB and played between LI+FB and Osorio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    Only a risk in that it was a job, though. I mean, he wasn't coming back to TFC. (I guess the CPL was an option too, but who'd take that over ANY euro league?)
    I meant risk in the sense that it was a path to a starting role in a top league (non big 5league) via winning promotion. He probably could've gotten an MLS contract somewhere, not here, but not as a guaranteed starter. He probably could've gotten a starting role in a tier 3 league like CPL, Sweden, Norway. Huge drop off in Belgium2 thats for sure, but like I said I feel like the plan was to get to Belgium1 via promotion, it just failed.

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    Former Montreal attacking midfielder Saphir Taider is unattached, I noticed. Great player. Maybe burned his MLS bridges by taking a deal then asking out of it, then signing in Saudi. He only lasted a year there. Great technical player though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydermike View Post
    I meant risk in the sense that it was a path to a starting role in a top league (non big 5league) via winning promotion. He probably could've gotten an MLS contract somewhere, not here, but not as a guaranteed starter. He probably could've gotten a starting role in a tier 3 league like CPL, Sweden, Norway. Huge drop off in Belgium2 thats for sure, but like I said I feel like the plan was to get to Belgium1 via promotion, it just failed.
    I think you might be overrating him. This is like what people said about Hamilton but it's just not there.

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    The belgian 2nd division is similar to cpl yet people wanted him and okello to play instead of Bradley.

    He wasn't getting minutes at the crew so dropped out of the league.


    Lolol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    I think you might be overrating him. This is like what people said about Hamilton but it's just not there.
    My speculation was specifically about why he chose to go to Belgium Second Division, as that was one of the comments made against him that he wasn't even good enough to be depth. I never had rated him as a TFC starter, a bench option yes. He's above Belgium Second Divison level, but went there as a risk. He's definitely depth option quality imo

    He got 1134 minutes and made 11 starts for the Crew. It's not that he's not MLS level at all. He's MLS depth level. He tried to prove he deserved more. Either way he'd have been fine for a 15-20 minute sub role, spot start role. Ideally, we'd have someone capable of better than that. But instead last year, we got Bradley 90 minutes every game. If we had Fraser making some minutes, I feel that would've helped Bradley be fresher. The point isn't that I want Fraser, it's that there is literally no one in midfield at all to spell Bradley. He's just an example of a depth piece that was gotten rid of and not replaced at all. Again, just using him as an example. Usually when you ship a piece out, you replace them. We have shipped out multiple midfielders and just not replaced them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    I think you might be overrating him. This is like what people said about Hamilton but it's just not there.
    Hamilton also very frustrating. If you look at his goals per minute, it makes him an 11-in-34 striker over a full season in MLS.

    But.... they were all in junk minutes. Anytime he had to go up against fresh defenses he was just lost. Physical tools but if he'd been able to get open and put shots on net, he'd have gotten starts.

    Same over in Ireland. He played twelve or thirteen games, scored I think one goal, maybe two. I followed it for a while. They kept talking in team stories about trying to get him "up to speed" and "more involved in the play". He just didn't learn enough. Real shame that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    Or, you know, the humility position might be that every other commentator watching him isn't wrong.

    Many of us have been playing and/or watching football for decades. You're not seeing or recognizing something in him we're not.

    WE had the worst transitional defense in MLS last year by some margin. It's not a small problem. It's a major, major problem, with concerns about nepotism involved, and he's the captain of the club and defacto locker room leader.

    It's a significant issue, whether you choose to accept it as such or not.

    And that's end of my piece on Bradley until we find out if we're getting any midfield depth.
    Virtually every professional commenter on MLS noted our transition defense was so bad because we had a ton of inexperienced players that turned the ball over in bad moments...consistently.

    And apart from a 45 min spell vs nycfc, 4 coaches with varying staffs and styles all started Bradley and played him Virtually every minute


    It's ok though, you're not seeing anything they're not.

    Also have you ever admitted to being wrong about your ridiculous take on imsigne wages and net vs gross?

    Talk about humility yet you insulted me consistently in that thread only to be completely, utterly flat out wrong

 

 

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