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    Mind you, if it doesn't stop raining in California, signing people won't make much difference. They can barely practise right now, apparently, and have to do indoor drills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    Mind you, if it doesn't stop raining in California, signing people won't make much difference. They can barely practise right now, apparently, and have to do indoor drills.
    We can't be the only team in California with this problem right now....

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    We can't be the only team in California with this problem right now....
    There are pro clubs from around the world scheduled to train there this month, along with... what, seven domestic pro clubs? Something like that. So ... yeah, probably 15-20 football teams doing gym drills and watching a mind-numbing amount of tape.

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    From Beezer’s article. As to be expected but interesting to see it “hinted” by Bradley. I wonder if it’s Ayo if they’ll get GAM for him or just his 600k or so off the books?

    “Bradley expects some fierce competition at the forward position as Diomande, 32, joins veterans Jesus Jimenez and Ayo Akinola, as well as youngster Jordan Perruzza, in a fight for the starting forward spot. Bradley hinted that, when all is said and done, it’s likely that one of the forwards will be moved, likely before the regular season starts.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by leedsandTFC View Post
    As usual, worth watching the whole thing.

    Sounds like a few trade / transfer outs are going to happen.

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    Today's MLSsoccer.com article around about the teams that have a lot of offseason signings to do really showed me how we're not in that bad of a place right now. Of course it would be ideal that we had everyone in place already but we're in an ok place. Many big clubs have a lot more work to do than us. We've already signed 4 important contracts (Oso, Hedges, Vazquez and backup keeper in Romero).

    As for the Bradley press conference today, I honestly find it so fascinating how different people read into what is said. To me his comment about wanting to finalize an agreement for a #1 keeper doesn't lead me to think we are any closer to signing Johnson then we were a week or two ago. Hopefully it happens but at the same time, I'm confident they also have multiple other targets as alternate plans, which BB as bluntly stated before. The GK contract may be the one that additional signings hinge on. If it's SJ, than that's a free transfer but if chooses to go elsewhere I can see us needing to possibly transfer someone in which has a salary cap impact.

    Final thought and I know it doesn't belong in here per se but it will be quite interesting to see what happens to Cincy. They were looking pretty set up top with their front three but now multiple players could leave which would be a massive hole to fill. At least we're not in a situation right now where some of our key starters are on the bubble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barticusz View Post
    Today's MLSsoccer.com article around about the teams that have a lot of offseason signings to do really showed me how we're not in that bad of a place right now. Of course it would be ideal that we had everyone in place already but we're in an ok place. Many big clubs have a lot more work to do than us. We've already signed 4 important contracts (Oso, Hedges, Vazquez and backup keeper in Romero).

    As for the Bradley press conference today, I honestly find it so fascinating how different people read into what is said. To me his comment about wanting to finalize an agreement for a #1 keeper doesn't lead me to think we are any closer to signing Johnson then we were a week or two ago. Hopefully it happens but at the same time, I'm confident they also have multiple other targets as alternate plans, which BB as bluntly stated before. The GK contract may be the one that additional signings hinge on. If it's SJ, than that's a free transfer but if chooses to go elsewhere I can see us needing to possibly transfer someone in which has a salary cap impact.

    Final thought and I know it doesn't belong in here per se but it will be quite interesting to see what happens to Cincy. They were looking pretty set up top with their front three but now multiple players could leave which would be a massive hole to fill. At least we're not in a situation right now where some of our key starters are on the bubble.
    I believe he was specifically referring to SJ when discussing the gk they were after.

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    Keylor Navas is apparently available. Nottingham Forest are apparently going to make a move for him. Plan B if SJ doesn’t sign?
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    Oh boy. Frustrated. I am not enjoying SA Media. I will refrain from commenting any further on this specific MLS player until his move is officially confirmed; unless speculation suddenly involves TFC! Just when you thought his future/destination was settled...

    Translation:
    'When it seemed that Alexander Callens was going to play in #Boca , the interest of #GironaFC appeared. The center-back has the pass in his possession after being released from #NYCFC and could end up in Spain. The Peruvian is a coveted player. [@DiMarzio]'

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    Quote Originally Posted by leedsandTFC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    As usual, worth watching the whole thing. Sounds like a few trade / transfer outs are going to happen.
    Agree; expecting some outgoing and incoming activity. However, I may be in the minority that I did not appreciate Bob's comments and positions in that Presser. Too savvy. Too much corporate speak; fair enough, he likely was in Sporting Director mode. Still, no directness. Lots of guarded language/phrasing; I felt it was all/more for plausible deniability. I am a supporter of Bob and value his moniker of ''The Builder' not as being derogatory as originally intended but having historical demonstrable intent and significance. And yet, I am waning. In particularly his further/followup remarks involving Adama Diomonde do not sit well with me at all. So the player is in TO; working on Visa/s. Bob has acquired him and seems to be making statements of support and expectation on pure speculation? Implications of being a challenger to AA and JJ or to being a super sub kinda like TR. If AD has not really played in the past few years after MLS are there match tapes that have been reviewed? Did TFC Scouting delegate any roller-blades? Seems Bob has had only... paraphrasing... 'good conversations' with the player? WTF? I though he was at least already in camp and Bob saw something in the player; has made an informed judgement that he has something to offer still. That, by all accounts has not even happened. Seems there is a lot of trust between BB and AD. I suspect he will have to own this decision similar to Chris Armas/Ali Curtis/Bill Manning owning Dom Dwyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Inbetween View Post
    Oh boy. Frustrated. I am not enjoying SA Media. I will refrain from commenting any further on this specific MLS player until his move is officially confirmed; unless speculation suddenly involves TFC! Just when you thought his future/destination was settled...

    Translation:
    'When it seemed that Alexander Callens was going to play in #Boca , the interest of #GironaFC appeared. The center-back has the pass in his possession after being released from #NYCFC and could end up in Spain. The Peruvian is a coveted player. [@DiMarzio]'

    Seems we were not suitably interested - or he not interested in TFC. There hasn’t been a shred of anything suggesting he’d come here. Other than that he’s a free agent centre back and we need one of those. Boca or Girona sound like more his thing, and why not?

    But anyway, it sounds like we don’t need a centre back and haven’t for some time with Rosted. Is he still in camp? If so you’d have think he wouldn’t be there is he wasn’t expecting to stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Inbetween View Post
    Agree; expecting some outgoing and incoming activity. However, I may be in the minority that I did not appreciate Bob's comments and positions in that Presser. Too savvy. Too much corporate speak; fair enough, he likely was in Sporting Director mode. Still, no directness. Lots of guarded language/phrasing; I felt it was all/more for plausible deniability. I am a supporter of Bob and value his moniker of ''The Builder' not as being derogatory as originally intended but having historical demonstrable intent and significance. And yet, I am waning. In particularly his further/followup remarks involving Adama Diomonde do not sit well with me at all. So the player is in TO; working on Visa/s. Bob has acquired him and seems to be making statements of support and expectation on pure speculation? Implications of being a challenger to AA and JJ or to being a super sub kinda like TR. If AD has not really played in the past few years after MLS are there match tapes that have been reviewed? Did TFC Scouting delegate any roller-blades? Seems Bob has had only... paraphrasing... 'good conversations' with the player? WTF? I though he was at least already in camp and Bob saw something in the player; has made an informed judgement that he has something to offer still. That, by all accounts has not even happened. Seems there is a lot of trust between BB and AD. I suspect he will have to own this decision similar to Chris Armas/Ali Curtis/Bill Manning owning Dom Dwyer.


    if true that doesnt make me feel comfortable at all- and the anxiety i dont have is starting to get worse- lol - happy wednesday everyone- can today be the day for the start of significant movement?

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    Toronto FC is an MLS team, right? RIGHT?!?

    Low value but started a season for the oft relegation-threatened Wolverhampton Wanderers, which is still Premier League quality. Very young, plays all the midfield positions, even if we blow a mil in transfer it's still TAM/GAM/xAM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuushalinsky View Post


    Toronto FC is an MLS team, right? RIGHT?!?

    Low value but started a season for the oft relegation-threatened Wolverhampton Wanderers, which is still Premier League quality. Very young, plays all the midfield positions, even if we blow a mil in transfer it's still TAM/GAM/xAM.
    signing with the rapids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leedsandTFC View Post
    signing with the rapids.
    sad, at least it was only a short lived dream

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    Quote Originally Posted by leedsandTFC View Post
    signing with the rapids.
    Shame ... watched him for a season playing with St Mirren. Industrious midfielder with a look we don't really have. Scored a couple of beauties in his time in Paisley from outside the box ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    As usual, worth watching the whole thing.

    Sounds like a few trade / transfer outs are going to happen.
    Must be the kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    Must be the kids.
    Great Oso interview on footy prime today where he talks about realizing how there's a whole other level of football to aspire to once he played against it. He also mentions "the kids" and talks about the club's handling: they're treated well, but they have to show value. If they can't, they go, basically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    Great Oso interview on footy prime today where he talks about realizing how there's a whole other level of football to aspire to once he played against it. He also mentions "the kids" and talks about the club's handling: they're treated well, but they have to show value. If they can't, they go, basically.
    I have to wonder about this in recent years - for the most part, I'd probably agree that TFC Academy and 2nd Teamers probably get a lot of advanced treatment other club's 2nd stringers could barely dream of, but where the development lies is that up until Bob, our approach may have been too 'positive' - a lot of kids that think they're the next Davies without showing anything on the pitch. Hopefully we don't overcorrect but it seems like the tone has shifted slightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuushalinsky View Post
    sad, at least it was only a short lived dream


    so close- but guess canada isnt america

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuushalinsky View Post
    I have to wonder about this in recent years - for the most part, I'd probably agree that TFC Academy and 2nd Teamers probably get a lot of advanced treatment other club's 2nd stringers could barely dream of, but where the development lies is that up until Bob, our approach may have been too 'positive' - a lot of kids that think they're the next Davies without showing anything on the pitch. Hopefully we don't overcorrect but it seems like the tone has shifted slightly.


    i hope to see nelson make a jump- if not sure if i have patience with him lol--

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    Great Oso interview on footy prime today where he talks about realizing how there's a whole other level of football to aspire to once he played against it. He also mentions "the kids" and talks about the club's handling: they're treated well, but they have to show value. If they can't, they go, basically.
    Part of the problem in TFC punditry is a lot of people don't recognise that value has to be maintained by youth beyond just a few games e.g. the amount of people who think Liam Fraser is a great midfielder because of one CanMnt game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    Great Oso interview on footy prime today where he talks about realizing how there's a whole other level of football to aspire to once he played against it. He also mentions "the kids" and talks about the club's handling: they're treated well, but they have to show value. If they can't, they go, basically.

    this is amazing for the canadians who arent in top 5 leagues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Part of the problem in TFC punditry is a lot of people don't recognise that value has to be maintained by youth beyond just a few games e.g. the amount of people who think Liam Fraser is a great midfielder because of one CanMnt game.

    Hey! that was an all time important goal! I dont think he is a great midfielder but his passing abilities is something that wasnt present on the TFC roster.

    He is slow for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Part of the problem in TFC punditry is a lot of people don't recognise that value has to be maintained by youth beyond just a few games e.g. the amount of people who think Liam Fraser is a great midfielder because of one CanMnt game.
    That always drove me nuts. I know I’ve said this 1,000x but I just don’t think these kids are being trained properly at the academy.

    They frequently look skillful but not tactically or mentally ready for the struggle involved with making it as a pro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    That always drove me nuts. I know I’ve said this 1,000x but I just don’t think these kids are being trained properly at the academy.

    They frequently look skillful but not tactically or mentally ready for the struggle involved with making it as a pro.

    can i also say physically fit?

    side question - does anyone know if TFC hired new fitness and goalie coaches?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    That always drove me nuts. I know I’ve said this 1,000x but I just don’t think these kids are being trained properly at the academy.

    They frequently look skillful but not tactically or mentally ready for the struggle involved with making it as a pro.
    The biggest problem is that even IF we made changes this or last year, it will take a while to see any effects... some kids would have been fully destroyed by even Vanney's youth management, let alone Curtis/Armas, how many is the real question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuushalinsky View Post
    The biggest problem is that even IF we made changes this or last year, it will take a while to see any effects... some kids would have been fully destroyed by even Vanney's youth management, let alone Curtis/Armas, how many is the real question.
    I’ll blame Vanney for awarding far too little time to assess players. He was completely deficient in that category.

    Other than that, the Issue lies below the first team IMO. I don’t blame Bob or any other first team coach we’ve had

    I’m not sure they really know what they’re doing down there at the academy or TFC2. If you’re a youth coach in a pro setup you should live-and-die by the players you produced. What do these guys have to show? I think whatever they would hold up as their “best” at this stage would be at most a below-average professional or an unproven one. Not good enough, especially with the resources they have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    That always drove me nuts. I know I’ve said this 1,000x but I just don’t think these kids are being trained properly at the academy.

    They frequently look skillful but not tactically or mentally ready for the struggle involved with making it as a pro.
    Part of the problem is probably the constant switching of philosophies with TFC manager changes and the revolving door of academy directors and systems. From the Dutch experiment to now it's never really been stable with a style of play and philosopy. Seems better over the past couple years but if they sack Bob then it'll probably be changed again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    I’ll blame Vanney for awarding far too little time to assess players. He was completely deficient in that category.

    Other than that, the Issue lies below the first team IMO. I don’t blame Bob or any other first team coach we’ve had

    I’m not sure they really know what they’re doing down there at the academy or TFC2. If you’re a youth coach in a pro setup you should live-and-die by the players you produced. What do these guys have to show? I think whatever they would hold up as their “best” at this stage would be at most a below-average professional or an unproven one. Not good enough, especially with the resources they have.
    agreed - it's one of my few strong opinions on TFC, is that we need to clean out the youth staff and hire the best of the best there. I don't care if it doubles the staff bill, that's probably half of a good player's salary for us.

 

 

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