Good summary.
A couple of people here are seriously bent by the Oso on max TAM outcome, but who exactly are we getting for equivalent dollars?
Just to pick an example, we could try for Eryk Williamson (a player that is supposedly available). The Extratime guys think would cost $1.5-2M in GAM plus whatever you would have to pay him when his contract expires (he is on $550K now, it's going up a lot in 2024 I think). He too comes with injury risk.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
offering a player who has only been fit to start 57% of games in last two seasons max tam is suicide.
i seriously wonder if people have been paying attention the last few years when we offered players big contracts based on loyalty and it's killed us.
and i'm a huge fan of MB, but that contract at that price should have been a year shorter.
Last edited by leedsandTFC; 11-29-2022 at 01:17 PM.
This is what i was trying to say with GIO's exit, there is serious benefit to being a club legend with MLSE (both Gio & Jozy messed that up). There are benefits long past your playing days... Gio went for bigger short term money in Saudi (probably a long term mistake). There is no way Osorio will make more long term money anywhere than Toronto (perhaps even short term money). The difference for Oso from (Jozy and Gio) is they left acrimoniously and it is unlikely they will be ambassadors of the club. (Agents are short term pay day thinkers)
Oso depending on how he does this has the opportunity to be set for 10+ years. If he leaves, he must sell it I love Toronto and i will always be a Red but i had to try to see if i was capable in Europe and he can return anytime and that should be the only public reason stated.
To be honest, that is the only reason he should be allowed to leave as well. Just my opinion.
I think you are making an interesting point, there is risk in giving Oso the bag, sentimality can be dangerous/costly… but I also think you are being way too certain and way too over the top.
Injury risk isn’t a math exercise. It isn’t quite that obvious that you are right and people on the other side are blind.
Everybody is entitled to their style I guess.
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"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
not blind, just vision being slightly obscured by sentimentality.
i would love to see oso play out his career here and i think MLS should carve out an extra type of money to be used to extend players that have been around for a certain number of years (club legends).
but the rules as they are and the way oso's availability has been the past few years, it would hinder us badly.
I agree but like as some people have pointed out on this board in the past, injury risk doesn't start dropping once you get into your 30's. At a certain point with the limits MLS roster rules put on teams you kind of need to think pessimistically when offering deals to 30+ players.
Oh it's a real issue for Oso, and anyone his age. I was just saying that the quality guys you could get for similar total dollars, eg Williamson… well he tore his ACL last year. Whoever you might replace Oso with likely comes with injury risk too.
If I recall correctly Vazquez, when he came here as a 30 year old, had an injury history that was pages long…
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
I think he had a killer year and Id be hesitant to be too quick to dismiss him as he seemed to be one of the largest factors in our ability to compete.
But agree, might be better value out there.
Not even that, he really wants to go try a different league. If he can do it, good for him. I would like to see him go to a Euro league and get minutes. I just hope he doesn't shoot too high and end up like Richie at NF. I would hate to see him go somewhere and get buried in the reserves for a couple years.
Anyone see this?
https://mobile.twitter.com/cansoccer...74773043347456
^
If accurate then SJ is a no go/get...
And Minnesota would have no Keepers after losing TM?
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/cansoccerfeed/status/1597674773043347456
Except, I guess their new starter...
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/TKurstos/status/1596562028843630595
Last edited by Mr. Inbetween; 11-29-2022 at 06:24 PM.
0verpayment incoming...probs 750k at least
yeah, i mean it would malpractice for them not to enquire about the price/ availability of st clair.
he's one of the best young keepers in the league, plays for the canmnt and is from ontario.
that being said, you'd think the price would be too high (unless he requests a trade).
minnesota do need a striker, and have a crafty spanish speaking number 10. wouldn't be shocked if they'd be interested in jiminez.
Guessing we aren't getting a deal done with VV? We haven't heard a peep about this since last week.
Can't imagine Sean Johnson being coached by Conway - can definatley imagine St. Clair being done so & what that would mean by 2025.
Understood.
Should have stated… if that could be the deal…
Start the jet!
TFC's been pretty focussed on promoting the three guys on the World Cup team. Could be that they're just waiting on that to finish before announcing stuff, since that's basically where the majority of fans have their focus. No point announcing something if most aren't paying attention. Maybe after Canada's last game, they'll announce it (or when the WC is done)
I agree with this, but doubt Adekugbe will want to leave Europe. Never know of course.Hoping he does start against Morocco.
As for Cavalini, I don't think he thrived in Vancouver's system, but I agree that he could be like an enforcer of sorts. Having a big body in the box to pick up rebounds from Insigne and Bernadesci and he'll probably bag about 10 goals this season.
While I hope Akinola gets out of his "funk", I have more faith in Cavalini than Akinola.
IMO, I thought Cavalini played decently against Croatia (all things considered). Had a few decent runs and passes, didn't step on any skulls (lol) and he's a local boy. If the price is right, why NOT bring him in?
No reason MLS/MLSE can't give him some sort of sponsorship deal to make it work.
Would be nice to have Seba come back, but short of him on a fire sale and having him as a "super sub" of sorts, I think that ship has sailed. Maybe sign him for the league minimum and 1 day contract so can finish with TFC, but I could see him pulling a Ric Flair and having multiple "retirement" matches.
Lastly, Dayne St.Clair? - Hell yeah!
Doesn't he fall under the generation adidas though?