MLS Match Day 21 - TFC @ Club Foot Sat July 16 7:38pm - Stiffen the Sinews

[OgtheDim]

I think our entire marketing plan consists of - let’s sign Canadians ..

The kids are only there because Vanney & Curtis didn't blood them in 2019-2021 like they should have.

As for Kaye, he's good & will come through.

We had NO chance creators on that pitch baring Criscito - MB is not one anymore & Kaye isn't a good one either. Hell, I'd argue if we started Westberg, he would have been our second best chance creator.

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Next Saturday we should...should..have 3 decent chance creators on the pitch. That will make a big difference in our ability to hold onto the ball & to get shots & to score goals.


Our defence still suks donkey ballz though & we are going to have to win by scoring early, holding onto the ball & making them pay for having to take chances.


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What I did not see tonight, BTW, was people giving up - nobody stopped trying. They just were not good enough.

I remember the playoffs in 2015 - some of those guys gave up & were gone within days.

[tfcfans]

The kids are only there because Vanney & Curtis didn't blood them in 2019-2021 like they should have.

As for Kaye, he's good & will come through.

We had NO chance creators on that pitch baring Criscito - MB is not one anymore & Kaye isn't a good one either. Hell, I'd argue if we started Westberg, he would have been our second best chance creator.

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Next Saturday we should...should..have 3 decent chance creators on the pitch. That will make a big difference in our ability to hold onto the ball & to get shots & to score goals.


Our defence still suks donkey ballz though & we are going to have to win by scoring early, holding onto the ball & making them pay for having to take chances.


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What I did not see tonight, BTW, was people giving up - nobody stopped trying. They just were not good enough.

I remember the playoffs in 2015 - some of those guys gave up & were gone within days.

I definitely agree with the last part, they simply aren’t good enough....can I paraphrase Josh Donaldson though here — “this isn’t the try league, this is the get it done league” — are they still charging full prices to the games? Do they still keep track of wins and losses?

....we knew at least 1/2 a season we would not be playing with our “marquee” signing - ok.....but we have not been even competitive from a defensive standpoint the whole year and that’s not something we have seen a whole lot of improvement on over 20 games or so — If you don’t have the offensive talent (which we knew going into the season), then show me that you can have someone in our academy or elsewhere that can make the game not look so complicated back there in our end, and a shambolic mess most nights - lets be real here, 1-0 was flattering to us tonight...

[ag futbol]

The kids are only there because Vanney & Curtis didn't blood them in 2019-2021 like they should have.

As for Kaye, he's good & will come through.

We had NO chance creators on that pitch baring Criscito - MB is not one anymore & Kaye isn't a good one either. Hell, I'd argue if we started Westberg, he would have been our second best chance creator.

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Next Saturday we should...should..have 3 decent chance creators on the pitch. That will make a big difference in our ability to hold onto the ball & to get shots & to score goals.


Our defence still suks donkey ballz though & we are going to have to win by scoring early, holding onto the ball & making them pay for having to take chances.


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What I did not see tonight, BTW, was people giving up - nobody stopped trying. They just were not good enough.

I remember the playoffs in 2015 - some of those guys gave up & were gone within days.

I appreciate the optimism.

I’m just looking in totality at a lot of strange decisions and it feels like the only way to wrap my head around it is to say “but it’s Bob Bradley, he’s done this before”

Hoping it succeeds of course but having some doubts.

[FootBallAZ]

Get the strong feeling the Impact are going to kill us early. If we play that high line, there is no speed back there today for recovery.

Who would have thought that no DPs, no Osorio, and a horrendous back line would lead to this ? Simply shocking....

Uh management could have done better not casting away useful players instead of playing short handed


Everyone is upset that tfc has 1point in the last 4 games.
1 clean sheet in two seasons lol

Could have managed the in and out of players much better


Bob is not.impressive at all.i missed second half but he didn't make a sub until 1m left ?

Lol bring back Perez lol

[James17930]

I'm losing faith that the guy is anything more than an arch motivator. He helps players believe in themselves, but this team needs discipline, shape, cohesion. I see none of that.

Or - and this is maybe just wishful thinking - he's trying to instill a tactical plan and shape, but the kids just can't handle it. Like, they can't follow it.

Then throw in all the bad passes, and the poor distribution from Bono, and nothing works.

[DinamoTFC]

Another loss.

Hope this is the end of a terrible chapter and the start of a new one.

God, supporting this team is frustrating.

This team is either really good or complete horse shit. No in between.

We could have easily been in the playoff race until the DPs arrived but no we had to go gut the team to bare fuckin bones instead of doing it now in the summer window.

[stevep]

This team is either really good or complete horse shit. No in between.

We could have easily been in the playoff race until the DPs arrived but no we had to go gut the team to bare fuckin bones instead of doing it now in the summer window.

yes. It’s a slight variation of the 2018 script
the best team in the history of the mls does not make the playoffs the next year
give me a break, how is that possible

[reggie]

so the last 3 hires by rolodex bill took approx 10 min thats some due diligence by the argo president

[NK Toronto]

Petrasso cannot handle Johnston. He has been on an island against the guy all game.

Johnston is a starter in Qatar in November. Its not fair to the kid.

Except that Johnston is less than 2 years older than Petrasso. The difference is Johnston has quality

[OgtheDim]

I'm trying to figure out beyond Lawrence & Auro, who seem to have been atittude outs (and nobody has denied Lawrence bagged some practices last year),

who people would have kept from last year's team?

Seriously, if your idea is "don't gut it", tell us what you would have kept.

Dwyer?

Mullins?

Endoh?



They tried to keep Poz & Poz doesn't play BB's style of game. (it remains to be seen if Poz plays Neville's game either, BTW - he's been a recessed box to box tonight)


Delgado was going to leave - he wanted no part of Canada anymore.


So...who do people think we should have kept?

[stevep]

Bob Bradley and Chris Armas are the same manager. Prove me wrong #embarrassing

yes, very good. How did you figure that out?

[DinamoTFC]

Who says Auro has attitude issues and wanted out? We are paying his wages and could use him over Kosi.

Who says Lawrence was missing practices and wanted out? He was on fairly reasonable wages and we got no return on him. Could have traded him for something by now. He also looked like a decent LCB in his limited time.

Why let Poz go before you have a replacement? His contract is expiring end of season, summer window is still open for a while. I don't believe he couldn't play with Insigne and Bernardeschi. So if you let him go without getting a third DP this window then it was a waste to trade him for peanuts (to be seen).

Who says Delgado didn't want to be in Canada anymore? And no I don't think we got enough for him in return.

Everyone has attitude issues all of a sudden and want out and no official articles? I don't buy it.

Don't need Mullins, Dwyer and Zavaleta. All we need is a LB and RB to keep us closer in the race.

[NK Toronto]

I'm trying to figure out beyond Lawrence & Auro, who seem to have been atittude outs (and nobody has denied Lawrence bagged some practices last year),

who people would have kept from last year's team?

Seriously, if your idea is "don't gut it", tell us what you would have kept.

Dwyer?

Mullins?

Endoh?



They tried to keep Poz & Poz doesn't play BB's style of game. (it remains to be seen if Poz plays Neville's game either, BTW - he's been a recessed box to box tonight)


Delgado was going to leave - he wanted no part of Canada anymore.


So...who do people think we should have kept?

Having Auro, Lawrence and Delgado on the team could have made enough of a difference to keep the team in playoff contention until the summer transfer window. Wasn't Delgado under contract? They could and should have kept all three. They then could have moved them after the season. BB gambled that the kids were ready and they clearly weren't. The result is another lost season. Not only that, you now have wasted a half season of your 2 new DP'S playing nothing but glorified friendlies.

[DinamoTFC]

Having Auro, Lawrence and Delgado on the team could have made enough of a difference to keep the team in playoff contention until the summer transfer window. Wasn't Delgado under contract? They could and should have kept all three. They then could have moved them after the season. BB gambled that the kids were ready and they clearly weren't. The result is another lost season.

That's exactly my point. Simple as that

[Gringo Starr]

Guess the summer of Perruzza is canceled.

Not Italian enough I guess

[stevep]

oh so now everyone is mad because they have finally figured out that this team is shit and is not going to make the playoffs
i told everyone here 3-4 months ago that all these young guys were garbage and everyone got mad at me
well it turns out i was correct, now everyone knows i was correct that all these young players are garbage and didn't belong on
the pitch in mls
have fun watching exciting but meaningless games the rest of the season
the yutes this the yutes that,

[Mr. Inbetween]

oh so now everyone is mad because they have finally figured out that this team is shit and is not going to make the playoffs
i told everyone here 3-4 months ago that all these young guys were garbage and everyone got mad at me
well it turns out i was correct, now everyone knows i was correct that all these young players are garbage and didn't belong on
the pitch in mls
have fun watching exciting but meaningless games the rest of the season
the yutes this the yutes that, what a bunch of fucking idiots some people are

Dude, com'on you can still be annoying by just saying I told you so or y'all were wrong see.
Just no need to call out members of the community as f'n idiots.
You do make fair points with some of your posts.
I believe your better than this.

[stevep]

Dude, com'on you can still be annoying by just saying I told you so or y'all were wrong see.
Just no need to call out members of the community as f'n idiots.
You do make fair points with some of your posts.
I believe your better than this.

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another thing. how is it possible a coach can be this incompetent? its almost if he is deliberately trying to not win.
how can anybody defend him when he didnt put on any subs till the 90th minute
complete incompetence,

this is the same guy that led lafc to supporters shield in just second year in the league
very suspicious

[jloome]

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another thing. how is it possible a coach can be this incompetent? its almost if he is deliberately trying to not win.
this is the same guy that led lafc to supporters shield in just second year in the league
very suspicious

He's had some odd ups and downs. His Chivas team was a tire fire, but the U.S. nats and Egyptian nats were good under him. He almost got a team surprisingly promoted in France and was successful in Norway. It's hard to really rate the Chicago title as it was the league's earliest days, when it was basically the same quality as USL is now.

Maybe he depends on having a strong lineup most of the time relative to the competition, so that tactical flexibility and team cohesion are less important to drill into them.

It's hard to say.

I have a hard time seeing how we were so dead on in the Montreal cup game but so listless, spread apart and indecisive in this one.

I also worry that having the captain as the manager's son means the locker room never feels safe from "the boss" in terms of discussion. I wonder if it hurts our cohesiveness.

I do wonder why he doesn't rate Shaff. I get that he's a one dimensional speed winger, but at least he puts dangerous balls into the box... which basically no one else is doing. Plus, having a guy stay wide and go to the touchline occasionally keeps an opposing defence honest and can pull them out of position.

I think the fact that he's moved Kerr and Nelson between central midfield roles and forward wing positions suggests he's still very much figuring out where the kids should play.

[Mr. Inbetween]

...how is it possible a coach can be this incompetent? its almost if he is deliberately trying to not win... he didn't put on any subs till the 90th minute...
complete incompetence...

I can't say that for moments these thoughts haven't crossed my mind as well.
Dare I say with a little more frequency recently. Particularly in regards to the previous game.
I really do not understand what's going on other then the plethora of great suppositions posited by so many of the community.
I was surprised, even pleased by the performance tonight all considering.
I expected a slaughter to be honest.
I recognize the necessity of the youth first step in Bob's encompassing strategy.
The need for player, culture, play and results transformation throughout TFC's organization; all teams.
A half season experiment should be more than enough for any first-team assessment task given his experience.
While also working to address all permeation and redundancies concerning roster issues.
I mean he was able to pass judgement on Kemar without so much as even meeting or speaking with him.
Ayo's second goal seemed onside. Haven't seen footage yet to the contrary.
The goal conceded wasn't terrible; bit of bad luck?
Although one may argue Bono either hesitated or miss-stepped; poor judgement again?
If a few other unavailable and / or the new players were on the pitch, maybe a different outcome?

[Hala Hrvatska]

Having Auro, Lawrence and Delgado on the team could have made enough of a difference to keep the team in playoff contention until the summer transfer window. Wasn't Delgado under contract? They could and should have kept all three. They then could have moved them after the season. BB gambled that the kids were ready and they clearly weren't. The result is another lost season. Not only that, you now have wasted a half season of your 2 new DP'S playing nothing but glorified friendlies.

Fully agreed brother.

Manning and BB have to go. Last night was embarrasing again. We were pinned in our end most of the game bunkering up against some hacks scared shi.tless to try and come out of our own end. And we have the highest payroll in the league. And about to miss the playoffs for the third time out of 5.

We even had a man up for 12 minutes and Montreal rang one off the bar then.

Bb has to go. The outide full backs are a dead hole. And that's ALL on Bb making the idiotic and suicidal decision to dump Lawrence and Auro and replace them with tfc 2 kids who mever played the position before.

But don't doubt for a second next home game they'll be shilling season tickets (at a nice bump) for next year.

[Hala Hrvatska]

Who says Auro has attitude issues and wanted out? We are paying his wages and could use him over Kosi.

Who says Lawrence was missing practices and wanted out? He was on fairly reasonable wages and we got no return on him. Could have traded him for something by now. He also looked like a decent LCB in his limited time.

Why let Poz go before you have a replacement? His contract is expiring end of season, summer window is still open for a while. I don't believe he couldn't play with Insigne and Bernardeschi. So if you let him go without getting a third DP this window then it was a waste to trade him for peanuts (to be seen).

Who says Delgado didn't want to be in Canada anymore? And no I don't think we got enough for him in return.

Everyone has attitude issues all of a sudden and want out and no official articles? I don't buy it.

Don't need Mullins, Dwyer and Zavaleta. All we need is a LB and RB to keep us closer in the race.

Exactly brother..

The "spin" from bb's camp was Auro had "attitude" issues. yet not once under Vanney, Armas and Perez was their ANY evidence of "attitude". More like mikey didn't like him and dear old dad shipped him out.

The Lawrence stories are more BB made up bs. If this was in fact not fake news, he could be fined, etc, and told must show up. I highly doubt he just decided to skip training and became this prima done. FFs, he is a journey man player from the concaf with limited options so I doubt he was unprossional and also he is playing this year without any issues....surprise surprise. And don't forget, it was Manning/Curtis/Armas that "vetted" him from their time at RBulls...surely he was a model team player then before they brought him over and did their due dilegence.

It is complete suicide that the clueless bb though he could go the season without real full backs. Its amatuer hour at the back. And out streak of non clean sheets in league games is now at 29 (fact for those who say my posts lack "facts"). Oh yeah, another fact, that's 50 of 51 league games now we have given up at least a goal. Simplly a horrendous defensive record. But yeah, lets not sign defenders and continue with 34/35 year old legs gone Mikey bradley as our DM...unbelivable.

[Hala Hrvatska]

oh so now everyone is mad because they have finally figured out that this team is shit and is not going to make the playoffs
i told everyone here 3-4 months ago that all these young guys were garbage and everyone got mad at me
well it turns out i was correct, now everyone knows i was correct that all these young players are garbage and didn't belong on
the pitch in mls
have fun watching exciting but meaningless games the rest of the season
the yutes this the yutes that,

Dude, you tell it like it is and are 100% right. Don't be worried if anyone is "mad" at you. Even if they have lengthy posts calling you out and pretending to put you on "ignore"...they don't and won't. Believe me. lol

We need better than this. The product on the field is sad to watch.

I hope last night was hitting rock bottom. It can't possibly get any worse now (I pray) with the Italians coming.

[OgtheDim]

One of the things that bugged me about the performance was we couldn't get the ball out of our own end when we had a free kick in our box, let alone get possession in their end after said free kicks.

This is a testament to the basic passing capability of that group last night.

That aspect of our game was the worst I have ever seen by a TFC team.

They pressed EVERY player effectively.

The few times we were able to work through their press, we actually created threats (we did have shots).

To me, the days of everything going through one player, be it Bradley or Poz.... this has to stop.

This has been a defining part of our team since Bradley came.

"We do everything we can to give (Bradley, Seba, Vasquez, Poz, Soteldo) the ball because we know they can do magic with it."

It's very predictable when you only have 1 person doing this & you can set up a defence to stop this through choking off the progressive outlets. That forces those chance creators to dribble and pause and then momentum is lost. MLS goals are usually scored through progressive ball movement. Stop that & you are half way to a win (this has a lot to do with our defence being so bad as well)

Starting next Saturday, it's Insigne.

I'm not sure he fixes this on his own without Bernie or Oso.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

This team is either really good or complete horse shit. No in between.

That's so and so, maybe it can be lived with...
But the big problem is that since TFC exists, only about 30% of time were they really good and 70% were complete horse shit.
And that is totally inacceptable for a team with the deep pockets and big market like TFC.

We could have easily been in the playoff race until the DPs arrived but no we had to go gut the team to bare fuckin bones instead of doing it now in the summer window.

Yes, this was totally criminal tactique from BB and Manning, and I suppose the responsability lies here at least 80% with BB, Manning being probably a yesman.
I wont speculate in depth on how many points we would have if would kept Auro, Lawrence (+ maybe Delgado too) and at least for 1-2 more games Poz, but the minimum looks like 6 points... and we would be very close to playoffs.

Of course the jury is still out big time on BB, but until now he's proofing to be exagerately inflexible on everything he puts in his mind or he does.

[stevep]

That's so and so, maybe it can be lived with...
But the big problem is that since TFC exists, only about 30% of time were they really good and 70% were complete horse shit.
And that is totally inacceptable for a team with the deep pockets and big market like TFC.




Yes, this was totally criminal tactique from BB and Manning, and I suppose the responsability lies here at least 80% with BB, Manning being probably a yesman.
I wont speculate in depth on how many points we would have if would kept Auro, Lawrence and at least for 1-2 more games Poz, but the minimum looks like 6 points... and we would be very close to playoffs.

Of course the jury is still out big time on BB, but until now he's proofing to be exagerately inflexible on everything he puts in his mind or he does.

With the new players coming how good would this team be with kemar auro and marky replacing mb
this level of incompetence is not possible

[Ultra & Proud]

I'm trying to figure out beyond Lawrence & Auro, who seem to have been atittude outs (and nobody has denied Lawrence bagged some practices last year),

who people would have kept from last year's team?

Seriously, if your idea is "don't gut it", tell us what you would have kept.

Dwyer?

Mullins?

Endoh?



They tried to keep Poz & Poz doesn't play BB's style of game. (it remains to be seen if Poz plays Neville's game either, BTW - he's been a recessed box to box tonight)


Delgado was going to leave - he wanted no part of Canada anymore.


So...who do people think we should have kept?

People forget how bad Lawrence was last season. He was awful at FB and about current Mavinga level at CB. As for Auro, all the guys saying he was a piece of trash for the couple years he was here are the ones saying we should never have let him go.

None of Dwyer, Mullins, or Endoh were worth holding on to.

Poz didn't fit but reading through the lines on his interview for Inter Miami, he wanted to go there and only there so either now or at the end of the season he was gone. By him only wanting to go there for his new girlfriend, we unfortunately got burned on the $$$ coming back. As a DP he had a movement clause so we had no leverage. Plus that all adds up to his head not being in it at TFC.

Same for Delgado. He wanted to go home.

[ensco]

I also worry that having the captain as the manager's son means the locker room never feels safe from "the boss" in terms of discussion. I wonder if it hurts our cohesiveness.

I had a rant about this months ago. I don’t think there is a more poisonous setup in all of sports.

MB has to go upstairs at the end of this year.

[Mr. Inbetween]

I had a rant about this months ago. I don’t think there is a more poisonous setup in all of sports.

MB has to go upstairs at the end of this year.

You are right; hopefully he does so.
However, I think it's still one more year.
The pull of everything going on and what may happen may be too great.
The opportunity to play with who are arriving in a more meaningful way.
The desire to part on a better note.
The chance at Leagues Cup and maybe CCL?

[jloome]

You are right; hopefully he does so.
However, I think it's still one more year.
The pull of everything going on and what may happen may be too great.
The opportunity to play with who are arriving in a more meaningful way.
The desire to part on a better note.
The chance at Leagues Cup and maybe CCL?

Hopefully the influence of the Italians will mitigate it somewhat.

Ensco, if Manning hasn’t already started smoothing a path to his next move, he’d do well to keep a one-on-one relationship with the Italians. They’re too good and being paid too much to get railroaded into following bad ideas. If the Bradley scenario isn’t working, I can’t imagine they’ll jut grin and bear it.