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    Take that and head home.

    Good homestand coming up.

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    Laxalt, Insigne and a new DM could make this team decent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    That's going to be a suspension for next week

    If that is a suspension then so is Brad Smith kicking Achara in the head. Just saying MLS can’t keep giving us reds the next day.

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    Not sure we stole that as much as DCU just left it out there for us to take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeForbes View Post
    Laxalt, Insigne and a new DM could make this team decent.
    I am sure this will be unpopular in some quarters but I think this team has exactly 1 starting quality midfielder and absent getting 2 more it’s going to be tough sledding

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    Nice play by Perruzza. What’s wrong with a low hard shot into the keeper? Nothing, more of our guys should try it rather than trying to be heros picking the far corner.
    I think sometimes this team is over coached-I'm not sure the Bradley doing that overcoaching is the new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    I think sometimes this team is over coached-I'm not sure the Bradley doing that overcoaching is the new one.
    Wow that's a very interesting thought!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section 223 View Post
    My God did Bob Bradley really sign Salcedo to 2.3 million this season? Just allowed thAt cross on the goal with such a feeble effort. FFS
    No. Bradley did not sign Salcedo. That was Manning cleaning up Curtis leagacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by portu View Post
    How many of the kids really deserve a spot on the first team roster? Nelson, Petrasso, Shaff, Priso, JMR. That’s it for me.
    kosi

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyDM View Post
    No. Bradley did not sign Salcedo. That was Manning cleaning up Curtis leagacy.
    Yeah sure whatever you say , but since Bradley was signed as our new saviour GM a full two months before the Salcedo deal was done, this is all on Bob , what at bust this Mexican is at 2.3 million wasting one of our DP spots

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auzzy View Post
    Wow that's a very interesting thought!

    I just think the peer pressure to get to the "right decision" comes internally from within the group - a lot of that comes from Bradley - the game has changed since 2017 - I'm not sure MB's internal thought processes have changed with that.


    I THINK Oso has adapted. I'm not sure Poz or MB have.


    *****

    Both Vanney & BB (and even last year's coaches & Nelson) have rued our inability to move the ball quickly & forward. The ONE constant since 2014 is MB.

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    I think what appeared to be a tactic involving holding the ball at the midpoint yesterday by the wingbacks was .... a tactic.

    They were lined up as wingbacks but effectively played as fullbacks. It was subterfuge, with the high winger on the weak side playing as a false nine.

    So when the left side was high, the right side held back. The left wingback went high, the left wing cheated in to the back post (and vice versa, as it was designed to use Ayo in a three up top).

    It's a tactic. He started it a week earlier with Peruzza on the right side.

    I kept wondering why we kept cycling through central midfield and never just switching fields, and it's because it's designed to set up something methodical, while leaving back an extra defender on the weak side.

    That way, when teams try to just dump it over the top, we should be able to cover it.

    And for the most part, it worked. But when it didn't, it was because Kosi is quite clearly NOT a defensive player.

    In the second half, BB had Ayo drift inside because the ball was always advancing on the left, leaving our weakest WB always backpedalling (as on the second goal).

    But we kept cycling through the middle to give us time to set up between the lines and advance into the box; it just went vertical more quickly, as we had more players on the inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyDM View Post
    No. Bradley did not sign Salcedo. That was Manning cleaning up Curtis leagacy.
    My take on this is, if Bob’s going to allow any moves while he’s in the seat, they are on Bob.

    Professionally, if you allow other people to stake out your territory and make your decisions, that is your risk.

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    I assume during Bob's honeymoon stage that any bad signings will be attributed to Manning and any good ones to Bradley.

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    I thought the team played well overall, the defence, but especially the outside backs being the weak links. I was a little scared every time someone passed back though.
    Crispness was better, but still an issue.
    Some real bright spots going forward, especially Kerr and Ayo.

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    BB described the tactical change he made in his post match presser - worth watching (BB losing his patience with the journos a bit - Singh in particular, again, for trying to create a narrative)


    https://www.torontofc.ca/video/post-...ey-may-21-2022

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    I think its been a while since I've been to a game at BMO and I wouldn't mind coming out. I think that were not far off from a playoff spot and the season has just begun. I think that by going to gamess it helps promote the sport domestically, and if I can make it out I will do my best to be satsified for results, we annot be too complacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfcfans View Post
    I have literally no thought that this team will actually be competitive this season -- giving up goals in the first 10 minutes or the last 10 minutes of a game is still a thing with this group (chasing games or blowing games) -- again --- we are just throwing away season after season since 2017 -- 2019 was a bit of a mirage, and 2020 was a flame-out with zero goals in a playoff game. We are literally throwing away 2021 and 2022 to turn over a roster so we can "start again" in 2023 --- Jesus is about the only thing that excites me from this year (the one signing that has "over-achieved" based on expectation) -- the kids are still kids (sometimes good, sometimes bad, rarely consistent), Salcedo is more or less a bust at this point based on salary and expectations (and to think I thought he would be a stabilising force on the back line - silly me) - Pozuelo will want $$ for next year -- is he still a DP difference maker at this point as he continues to age (his MVP season led us to what exactly?) and are we paying him as such for a team that is finishing last or close to it for 2021 and 2022? and unless Insigne is the next 30 point player in MLS (and can play goalie and defend as well - ha ha ha), he is not saving this group by himself.....oh, is Westberg even alive? is there any particular reason why Bono plays every minute of every game considering his stats seem to indicate he is not worthy of such deference?

    I've been here since 2007 and this is just depressing and uninspired to watch most of the time -- this is simply another year to see if any kids can actually play on a starting 11 of a championship team one day (not sure any of them are consistent starters in this league) --- if this year was about development why is MB playing over a kid at that position, I appreciate everything that MB has done for this club, but he is not a 90 minute player anymore, and if we are transitioning to a "new era" then shouldn't we be doing that now and not later? --- it's really hard to watch a team that apparently has all the resources in the world to be successful (at least in MLS terms), continually play this poorly again and again....I'm aware they were "unlucky" the last few games (VAR nonsense) -- but at some point if it was all "bad luck" wouldn't it go the other way too?

    I watch Seattle and think - it is possible to have sustained excellence and competitiveness over time and win championships too -- they are the model franchise of this league, it's definitely not us and hasn't been us since 2017.....we just keep fumbling about making the same mistakes over and over again and hope that we can buy our way out of our problems -- on rare occasions it works, most of the time it doesn't.....
    You are frustrated and have been a supporter from 2007. Think of the poor souls who have followed the Leafs the last 55 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    My take on this is, if Bob’s going to allow any moves while he’s in the seat, they are on Bob.

    Professionally, if you allow other people to stake out your territory and make your decisions, that is your risk.
    fair enough. But we all know that Insigne process started before BB arrived and Soteldo exit process as well. So posters saying “terrible signing BB is a disaster” aren’t fair or accurate, or even responsible. I am sure he could have said “no” but really these are Manning moves. Everything else, particularly the clear out, is BB’s responsibility, for better and for worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeForbes View Post
    I assume during Bob's honeymoon stage that any bad signings will be attributed to Manning and any good ones to Bradley.
    funny. My take is above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyDM View Post
    fair enough. But we all know that Insigne process started before BB arrived and Soteldo exit process as well. So posters saying “terrible signing BB is a disaster” aren’t fair or accurate, or even responsible. I am sure he could have said “no” but really these are Manning moves. Everything else, particularly the clear out, is BB’s responsibility, for better and for worse.
    I understand where you are coming from. Some things are always in process before a new coach or GM arrives. Now that said, before Bob agrees to come in he would certainly have a conversation with Manning about what is in process and if he agrees with it.

    Otherwise the job is potentially non-tenable even before he starts. The position is no longer Coach / Manager, it’s basically signing up to be Bill Manning’s bag-man. Anyone foolish enough to go for that, deserves what they get.

    As far as I’m concerned they are both in play. Bob is an experienced enough guy who has publicly been given enough responsibility where he wears everything top-to-bottom. Manning is coming off some poor choices and a team that is overall underperforming it’s spend. If this doesn’t lead to some solid success by end of next year, they can both be shown the door.

    Not passing any judgment on Bob as yet. Manning I’m skeptical of because of the whole Curtis / Armas fiasco. Anyway, I guess we shall see where it all goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyDM View Post
    funny. My take is above.
    You made some good points. This is pretty common for any fanbase to do. As a Dolphins fan, I remember Miami firing Mike Tannenbaum and promoting his assistant Chris Grier to GM. All the previous bad draft picks were automatically attributed to Tannenbaum and the hits were all the doing of Mike Grier.

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    Just back (very delayed) from DC. Fun day. Great stadium.
    The defence looked shaky every time we lost the ball in midfield. Salcedo is a shitshow.
    We don't get past the half way line when we try to build from the back, but either long high passes forward (we now have Akinola and Kerr to bring them down) or fast low passes through the lines (to Nelson, for example) are working well.
    We also look much livelier up front. We spoke to Jimenez after the game and he seemed pretty pleased to have Akinola beside him. Kosi is very good coming forward. Nelson makes things happen (although he needs to improve his final pass).
    Kerr was our man of the match. Physical, skilful, fast. It was he that won the ball and gave to Jimenez for the first goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof View Post
    You are frustrated and have been a supporter from 2007. Think of the poor souls who have followed the Leafs the last 55 years.
    I have suffered through about 50 years of that too (LOL)....sadly it’s turned to apathy now with the Leafs for me for another 11 months or so until the playoffs start again in 2023, as the rest of the regular season games seem meaningless to me now, as the Leafs will be judged solely on what they do in the playoffs — getting 115 points and AM scoring 60 goals ultimately meant nothing in the end - the season was a failure to me as they literally ended the same as the year before, in Game 7 of Round 1 and blowing a series lead in doing so.....

    ......obviously there is no comparison to TFC who’ve had an all time season in 2017 but they are becoming a parody right now to me of a team who doesn’t actually know how to develop players (or keep them healthy) despite having all the resources to do so - since 2018, how many new TFC academy players start regularly now for TFC?! (by that I mean play over 2000 minutes in a season which is about 65% of the Available minutes in a 34 game MLS season - in 2017 we had 10 (!) players play at least 2000 minutes that year....right now our best bets to reach those numbers are Alex Bono and Michael Bradley - yikes! and Jimenez (the best signing they’ve had in ages based on salary and performance) and Petrasso - the only “kid” that might stick as a full time starter right now (Nelson and Rutty still need to grow quite a bit).....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    I understand where you are coming from. Some things are always in process before a new coach or GM arrives. Now that said, before Bob agrees to come in he would certainly have a conversation with Manning about what is in process and if he agrees with it.

    Otherwise the job is potentially non-tenable even before he starts. The position is no longer Coach / Manager, it’s basically signing up to be Bill Manning’s bag-man. Anyone foolish enough to go for that, deserves what they get.

    As far as I’m concerned they are both in play. Bob is an experienced enough guy who has publicly been given enough responsibility where he wears everything top-to-bottom. Manning is coming off some poor choices and a team that is overall underperforming it’s spend. If this doesn’t lead to some solid success by end of next year, they can both be shown the door.

    Not passing any judgment on Bob as yet. Manning I’m skeptical of because of the whole Curtis / Armas fiasco. Anyway, I guess we shall see where it all goes.
    Fair. about where I am at too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeForbes View Post
    You made some good points. This is pretty common for any fanbase to do. As a Dolphins fan, I remember Miami firing Mike Tannenbaum and promoting his assistant Chris Grier to GM. All the previous bad draft picks were automatically attributed to Tannenbaum and the hits were all the doing of Mike Grier.
    Vanney had a strange kind of reverse of that throughout his tenure (among a certain subset, at least). Every loss was "his fault." Winning the treble was "just because MLSE spent so much on players and had zero to do with him." Great signings were because of Lieweke or Bez. Bad or mediocre signings were "a Vanney signing." He's the only coach I know who won everything except the continental championship and still had people clamoring for him to be let go. I think some people were thinking we'd get a top 10 world class coach to replace him... but then what would you win beyond what Vanney won? Maybe if we had Klopp the CCL as well? TFC came awfully close to that too under Vanney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tfcfans View Post
    I agree -- it reminds me of how every rush up the ice in hockey now involves dropping the puck back to the last guy so that everyone can race to the opposing blue line and then stop so as to not go offside and let the trailing man carry the puck over the line while everyone stands still -- drives me nuts.....sorry for the hockey reference....but I agree with your point -- it is being coached into them it seems....
    I literally yelled at my tv every time the Leafs did this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    Vanney had a strange kind of reverse of that throughout his tenure (among a certain subset, at least). Every loss was "his fault." Winning the treble was "just because MLSE spent so much on players and had zero to do with him." Great signings were because of Lieweke or Bez. Bad or mediocre signings were "a Vanney signing." He's the only coach I know who won everything except the continental championship and still had people clamoring for him to be let go. I think some people were thinking we'd get a top 10 world class coach to replace him... but then what would you win beyond what Vanney won? Maybe if we had Klopp the CCL as well? TFC came awfully close to that too under Vanney.
    he did a great job for us and despite all of that unfair criticism - which you have reported accurately - will always be a legend here. The Tims played their part too; and we should never forget that MB, Gio and Jozy carried this team but the arrival oF Moor, VV, Morrow and Beitashour really put us over the top

 

 

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