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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    That defence won't hold.

    Might beat Vancouver, with Oso, Bernie & Insigne.

    But that defence is going to get real tired real quickly without some reinforcements.
    Come on, Bernie???!! Freddy, surely....

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    Quote Originally Posted by noxx98 View Post
    Lukas MacNaughton (2022), Richie Laryea (2019), Westberg (2019).
    com on mcnaugton he is cpl caliber at best,richie fell on their lap and westberg was done 2 years ago
    im talking about a CHEAP SA players that most mls teams have
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil'John View Post
    Come on, Bernie???!! Freddy, surely....

    Seems to be Freddy so...yeh...Freddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reggie View Post
    com on mcnaugton he is cpl caliber at best,richie fell on their lap and westberg was done 2 years ago
    I'd say all three have been good values for their salary. The team has also allowed 0.2 goals/90 fewer with Lukas on the pitch compared to when he's off. When we first signed Westberg he was on $100k. The issue was giving him a big raise to $250k+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noxx98 View Post
    Singh and Sharman say it's unlikely we get a DP before the winter. Should be adding to defence in the near term, however it's likely to be a non-TAM/DP contract. This makes me think it might be some sort of trade.

    'It's been a fun summer to be a soccer fan in Toronto'.
    What planet are these guys on? Do they actually watch the games?
    Anyone who wants rid of BB is 'ridiculous'. The arrogance and unsubstantiated comments of these self-proclaimed experts...
    Give me one data point to support keeping BB? Did they see the game in Chicago where we made all the same mistakes as the season. opener??

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    Quote Originally Posted by noxx98 View Post
    I'd say all three have been good values for their salary. The team has also allowed 0.2 goals/90 fewer with Lukas on the pitch compared to when he's off. When we first signed Westberg he was on $100k. The issue was giving him a big raise to $250k+.
    yes they are who they are,i dont mind them.but they totally ignore the S A market cheaper younger players,

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    Quote Originally Posted by reggie View Post
    com on mcnaugton he is cpl caliber at best,richie fell on their lap and westberg was done 2 years ago
    im talking about a CHEAP SA players that most mls teams have
    Sorry I picked good value players from the wrong continent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noxx98 View Post
    Sorry I picked good value players from the wrong continent.
    well they are at the bottom of league for 2 seasons in row ,something not working and those 2 guys will probs not be a factor next season

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    TFC 2022
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    "Unless the right player presents itself over the next 3 weeks, we may push that to the winter window. And then see do you go with a young DP, where you can then add 3 more players. Some will be how the team evolves."

    maybe the young dps is the way to go unless someone they cant resist comes calling has a reg dp

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    Quote Originally Posted by reggie View Post
    yes they are who they are,i dont mind them.but they totally ignore the S A market cheaper younger players,
    I think they got burned on the Soteldo acquisition and don't want to do that again.

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    Saying that no defenders are coming this window is the closest thing to an official admission that the playoffs were never a goal this year that you’re likely to get. It has been speculated here, but never communicated in any official capacity, for obvious reasons.

    Basically what I took from this.

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    [QUOTE=Yuushalinsky;1965748]I think they got burned on the Soteldo acquisition and don't want to do that again.

    yes...but im talking cheap talent not dp,,,,and that was curtis,,,,bob s old team had and still have all kinds of SA players on the roster,its a really big market and you can find some cheap talent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokecell View Post
    Saying that no defenders are coming this window is the closest thing to an official admission that the playoffs were never a goal this year that you’re likely to get. It has been speculated here, but never communicated in any official capacity, for obvious reasons.

    Basically what I took from this.
    manning is talking from both sides of his month per usual, telling one person we have no cap space and another we do,its bull shit ,they had since jan to at least fill a FB postion big fail.

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    I’m starting to think the only standings they pay attention to are the Transfermarkt squad value standings

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    Quote Originally Posted by reggie View Post
    manning is talking from both sides of his month per usual, telling one person we have no cap space and another we do,its bull shit ,they had since jan to at least fill a FB postion big fail.
    Sorry - where's the quote about us not having cap space? The only quote I see is him telling Singh that we have space available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noxx98 View Post
    Sorry - where's the quote about us not having cap space? The only quote I see is him telling Singh that we have space available.
    When I challenged Manning this evening on our not finding defensive support and highlighted that the best right back in the league had just left DC for the Whitecaps, he said that the problem was cap space.
    That must have been the issue when Johnston and K. Millar went to the Impact too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by noxx98 View Post
    Sorry - where's the quote about us not having cap space? The only quote I see is him telling Singh that we have space available.
    lil john jus quoted what bill said...
    while i have you noxx ,you know the mls rules really well,tfc could sign 3 young dps now if they choose,and it would count to 150k per player against the cap?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil'John View Post
    'It's been a fun summer to be a soccer fan in Toronto'.
    What planet are these guys on? Do they actually watch the games?
    Anyone who wants rid of BB is 'ridiculous'. The arrogance and unsubstantiated comments of these self-proclaimed experts...
    Give me one data point to support keeping BB? Did they see the game in Chicago where we made all the same mistakes as the season. opener??
    Singh mentions the Montreal match as woeful.
    IDK, I was expecting a shellacking. I thought we did well all considering.
    I think the Chicago game is the TSN Turning Point of my concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Inbetween View Post
    Singh mentions the Montreal match as woeful.
    IDK, I was expecting a shellacking. I thought we did well all considering.
    I think the Chicago game is the TSN Turning point of my concern.
    I agree. I thought we were much better in Montreal than in Chicago.
    I don't require us to win, but I do want to see improvement/what we're trying to do. I did under Javier Perez and supported the team through Covid. Under BB I see no progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reggie View Post
    lil john jus quoted what bill said...
    while i have you noxx ,you know the mls rules really well,tfc could sign 3 young dps now if they choose,and it would count to 150k per player against the cap?
    So there are two different youth initiatives. The first is a Young Designated Player. This is a player 23 or younger who signs as a designated player. They can have any salary and any transfer fee. If they are 20 or younger their cap hit is $150k. If they are 21-23, their cap hit is $200k.

    If a team has a young DP or their 3rd DP makes $1.6M or less, a team gets 3 U22 slots. Otherwise they get one U22 slot. U22 slots can be used for players making $612k or less. They carry a cap hit of $150k for players 20 or younger and $200k otherwise. Players can continue to stay as a U22 until the year he turns 25. The real advantage with U22 slots however, is transfer fees don't count against their cap hit.

    Hope that helps, these rules are too confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil'John View Post
    When I challenged Manning this evening on our not finding defensive support and highlighted that the best right back in the league had just left DC for the Whitecaps, he said that the problem was cap space.
    That must have been the issue when Johnston and K. Millar went to the Impact too...
    Got it - see it now. That's so confusing and pretty disingenuous from Manning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil'John View Post
    I agree. I thought we were much better in Montreal than in Chicago.
    I don't require us to win, but I do want to see improvement/what we're trying to do. I did under Javier Perez and supported the team through Covid. Under BB I see no progress.
    I guess the retort to that/our concern is we aren't seeing the trees but for the forest?
    Or is it the forest but for the trees?
    I give up.
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    You can't build 3/4 of a D line in a winter window.

    The D men from Europe available in that window are not all that good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    You can't build 3/4 of a D line in a winter window.

    The D men from Europe available in that window are not all that good.


    Thank you for being the first to say it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noxx98 View Post
    So there are two different youth initiatives. The first is a Young Designated Player. This is a player 23 or younger who signs as a designated player. They can have any salary and any transfer fee. If they are 20 or younger their cap hit is $150k. If they are 21-23, their cap hit is $200k.

    If a team has a young DP or their 3rd DP makes $1.6M or less, a team gets 3 U22 slots. Otherwise they get one U22 slot. U22 slots can be used for players making $612k or less. They carry a cap hit of $150k for players 20 or younger and $200k otherwise. Players can continue to stay as a U22 until the year he turns 25. The real advantage with U22 slots however, is transfer fees don't count against their cap hit.

    Hope that helps, these rules are too confusing.
    thx...cheers

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    Could we possibly get back Tony Gallacher or is that a big no?

    And as for other defenders and CB's, can we not pick some temporarily from TFC II (if any are decent, I don't follow the roster) as well as the CPL? Surely there much be someone who can hold us over from the CPL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave343 View Post
    Could we possibly get back Tony Gallacher or is that a big no?

    And as for other defenders and CB's, can we not pick some temporarily from TFC II (if any are decent, I don't follow the roster) as well as the CPL? Surely there much be someone who can hold us over from the CPL?
    He picked up a leg fracture back in April and was expected to be out for at least 3 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave343 View Post
    Could we possibly get back Tony Gallacher or is that a big no?

    And as for other defenders and CB's, can we not pick some temporarily from TFC II (if any are decent, I don't follow the roster) as well as the CPL? Surely there much be someone who can hold us over from the CPL?
    He went to the SPL in the offseason. Edit: Ouch, on the leg.

    He probably wouldn't take it, but we could try and beat all the big clubs in Europe (Barca, Newcastle, Tottenham, Sevilla) interested in Jason Denayer. He wants $6.5M (CAN, I converted it ) per season, apparently.

    38 caps for Belgium, lockdown defender in ligue 1 for four seasons, currently a free agent.

    I know some people don't like spending DP money on defenders, but if no one will give him what he's looking for, or we'd better it, a guy of that caliber would be worth it.

    He's only 27 and probably wants more glory than we can afford to overcompensate with money. But if they were going to sign a DP defender, a guy of that level would probably make some people happier than an MLS guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    You can't build 3/4 of a D line in a winter window.

    The D men from Europe available in that window are not all that good.
    The counter to this would be that they will be from MLS.

    I will say it again, if TFC's (BB/BM) strategy at all involves a DP CB then just go big now...
    Walker Zimmerman + Eric Millar + 33%SellOn for JM-R.


    P.S.
    Though my gut is telling me that if they do not have an indication already from Osorio that he wants to / will stay,
    then they will need a DP at the MID; to address his loss and that of Bradley's eventually.

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    IMO, the most important interview segment out of the Monday's Bernardeschi TFC Presser,

    is TSN's with Bill Manning at about 2:35 doing a Patches O'Houlihan 5D's of Dodge Duck Dip Dive Dodge with a simple pivot.

    https://www.tsn.ca/video/manning-bel...nto-fc~2485645

    Has someone else recently visited?

 

 

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