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    In other news, Bill Manning's son is now listed on the USL League One website as a player for TFC II.

    https://www.uslleagueone.com/toronto-fc-ii-roster

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    Letís not do that... Singh is a very popular last name

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfcboi View Post
    Let’s not do that... Singh is a very popular last name
    Exactly..it's one of the most common last names on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydermike View Post
    Is there are proof of that other than the last name? Singh isn't an uncommon last name, especially in a multicultural city like Toronto.
    As I said, it was a glib comment on this board (although I can't find it now, so maybe it was reddit tfc) that I may have taken out of tone.

    I wasn't suggesting it because they have the same last name, one of the most common in the world. Good grief. I hate to inform people who grotesquely love a lack of nuance, but literally no one posting here is that stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydermike View Post
    In other news, Bill Manning's son is now listed on the USL League One website as a player for TFC II.

    https://www.uslleagueone.com/toronto-fc-ii-roster
    I seem to remember his name popping up before and him being quite highly rated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    The problem with paying him out is, the DP charge still goes against the cap & we can't bring in a DP - heck I'm not even sure we would get a roster spot.
    But what about the "contract terminated by mutual consent" deal? I thought that circumvented a lot of this if Jozy was willing to leave money on the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    Again, Jozy helped win us a title, took us to two others. Yes, he was paid well, but he was still our guy, fought for the badge and helped us win. That deserves at least a modicum of respect.
    He took us to the 2016 one. He didn't play at all in the 2019 playoffs minus the 2nd half of the final and not much that season either. Credit for that should go elsewhere.

    He did help us win the title though. However, those days are long, long gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    The problem with paying him out is, the DP charge still goes against the cap & we can't bring in a DP - heck I'm not even sure we would get a roster spot.

    Here's the MLS rules on buyouts




    In essence, a buyout just clears a player to leave without clearing up a salary amount.
    Ahh, didnít know itís only allowed in the off season (MLS thinking 🤦🏼*♂️).

    Still, if nobody wants to pay for him, Iíd offer to pay him his remaining salary, and trade him. In essence, itís a buyout, but you can get away from the cap hit. Or you can add his money owned in salary to the transfer, and the new team can give him a new contract with that money involved.

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    FWIW I was actually surprised when Jozy was taken off for Ayo, rather than Ayo coming in to play up top with Jozy considering we needed a goal.

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    Wonder if Jozy would be open to teaming back up with Robin Fraser in Colorado? The Rapids have open DP spots and I suppose TFC could retain salary. Not like they havent pissed DP money up a wall before....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydermike View Post
    In other news, Bill Manning's son is now listed on the USL League One website as a player for TFC II.

    https://www.uslleagueone.com/toronto-fc-ii-roster
    Good grief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokecell View Post
    FWIW I was actually surprised when Jozy was taken off for Ayo, rather than Ayo coming in to play up top with Jozy considering we needed a goal.
    That would have made more sense to me.

    Given how effective he was as a late sub when he had more energy than the opposition, I don't know why we don't just play Jozy as a late gamebreaker. He has that potential, he's here for another year.

    I'd rather he play the last 30 mins of most games and score a bunch of goals than play 60 or 70 each time and do zip.

    At least then there might be some merited confidence that he still has some gas in the tank.

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    Bill Manning was a decent player in his time playing at about 3rd tier US soccer - roughly the same level - genetics do sometimes mean something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    Given how effective he was as a late sub when he had more energy than the opposition, I don't know why we don't just play Jozy as a late gamebreaker. He has that potential, he's here for another year.

    I'd rather he play the last 30 mins of most games and score a bunch of goals than play 60 or 70 each time and do zip.

    At least then there might be some merited confidence that he still has some gas in the tank.
    I think because his price tag is high to be a specialist sub and no matter what it owuld be hard to justify. Also imagine how crazy he would go if he was forced to be just a sub permenently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    I think because his price tag is high to be a specialist sub and no matter what it owuld be hard to justify. Also imagine how crazy he would go if he was forced to be just a sub permenently?
    Yeah, possibly. He wouldn't like it, I'm sure.

    The price tag isn't really an issue, as he's bought down. His last year is probably just north of a million or so based on other front-loaded MLS contracts. So while it's still DP high, a goal every other game or so from a sub role would justify it. He'd still end up with 10-15 on the year, which we haven't had from him in several years now.

    But you might be right; if he was pushing for the Cruz Azul move he perhaps has yet to accept any of his age and physical limitations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Bill Manning was a decent player in his time playing at about 3rd tier US soccer - roughly the same level - genetics do sometimes mean something.
    Just realized Bill Manning briefly played for the Puerto Rico national team. I never knew that.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Manning

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    Gotta say, the crappy start, mostly terrible looking play, not playing at BMO and now this make it awfully hard to actively support TFC right now. I feel tired of it all.

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    This is turning into quite the mess.

    Ali/Manning Ė their player acquisition has actually been decent. Laryea, Pozuelo and Westberg were amazing pick-ups. Iíd even throw Gonzalez in the great category. Slowing now, but when we nabbed him we went on what, a 13 game unbeaten run to a final with impeccable defensive record? Still early but Soteldo and Lawrence also looking like tidy business. Piatti and Benezet kinda meh but had some good moments and we didnít get locked into mediocre long-term Tam/DP. Say what you want about Mullinho but probably still an upgrade over Hamilton. Gallardo has been a big miss, and in hindsight this Jozy extension is a nightmare. Iím sure Iím missing some and may have mixed up timing on Ali changeover. But Iím much more forgiving on 2-weeks if the players arriving are ultimately solid.

    What kills me the though is the Armas hiring. Not necessarily Armas himself, but changing the clubs identity. We finally found a successful identity as a possession based, build-up team and on a dime decided to take this mature/aging core and turn them into a pressing team.

    Last two seasons saw a cup final and supporters shield run Ė why flip the script on this roster when it was already performing reasonably well. At best those are the results youíre hoping to replicate. They should have been chasing coaches that could put a similar spin on what Vanney was already doing and that we know this team can accomplish. Why build a team to do one thing then ask them to do something completely different?

    Armas Ė He got hired to run the team a certain way and I canít blame him for executing that vision. Whatís becoming harder to swallow, is playing people out of position, banishing Q and this endless string of injuries. Patience is running thin. Thereís only so much leash when you have the most expensive roster in the league at your disposal supplemented by decent academy options. If Pozuelo canít get us back to scoring and winning this experiment better come to a quick conclusion. 10 games in itís 2W, 3D, 5L. Thatís expansion team performance, not perennial powerhouse changes coaches. Not good enough.

    Jozy Ė itís a shame but seems like weíve been heading down this road for a while. Heís always had some attitude but hasnít been backing it up on the field for a while nowÖ Iím guessing the issues stem from more than just this past weekend. I posted a few weeks back about KJs cryptic commentary after the Cruz Azul game where he referenced Jozy playing his last game for TFC. Even the Twellman spat wasnít a great look Ė I get sticking up for the UMNT teammates, but he didnít do it very tactfully, it just added to the feeling that itís always Jozy against the world these days. Will always love him for what heís done here but the magic just isnít there anymore and DP slots canít be wasted.

    The good thing is we still have a lot of talented players that arenít afraid of putting in hard work for this club. Really hoping we can steady the ship and the team can continue to adapt to the pressing system. I think Jozy was likely a situation waiting to blow up regardless of who came in to coach this year, but his contract and performances the last 18 months wouldn't have generated many interested buyers this past off-season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    Good grief.
    He had been coming up through the academy and is going to be playing D1 soccer in the states next season. I'm sure there was some nepotism here, but Will Manning is likely a good enough player to be worthy of this opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noxx98 View Post
    He had been coming up through the academy and is going to be playing D1 soccer in the states next season. I'm sure there was some nepotism here, but Will Manning is likely a good enough player to be worthy of this opportunity.
    I'll keep my eye out when I stream those TFC2 games on YouTube. If he's got a D1 scholarship, he'd be on a USL Academy contract not a pro deal. There's probably a limit on appearances, but I'm not sure how those work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jloome View Post
    As I said, it was a glib comment on this board (although I can't find it now, so maybe it was reddit tfc) that I may have taken out of tone.

    I wasn't suggesting it because they have the same last name, one of the most common in the world. Good grief. I hate to inform people who grotesquely love a lack of nuance, but literally no one posting here is that stupid.
    Alright man lol

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    Rocco's season is over in Demark and he flying back from Europe today, so he will have to be added back to the roster after being on loan. There are 33 players currently on the roster including 3 out on loan, a decision will have to be made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tfcboi View Post
    Alright man lol
    I mean.. I don't personally know their grandparents.. but Luke Singh is from Trinidad and Michael Singh is Guyanese.. so.. this is not a thing and I guess we can forgive the implication that it is unethical for Michael to cover the team.

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    We are a disaster, my god.

    Jozy being given the Van der Wiel treatment when he should've been sold a year ago, we can't keep our best players healthy, we replaced Bez with the wrong GM who in turn hired the wrong coach.

    I've honestly lost all interest in this season already and it's only still May.

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    RBNorth hasnt worked, it wont work ever, time we fans remember to be unified against RBNorth, and dont forget the big picture, they are going to ask for more time, however dont have any idea on running an effective club, whether it being the Jozy treatment, the lack of match fitness and sharpness required at a beginning of a season, hiding injuries from your fanbase, have no expectations for this club until RBNorth leaves

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    Looking forward to the return of town halls.

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    This has 'lost season' written all over it.

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    Ali Curtis said the injury was only confirmed late Thursday afternoon, adding the club had not expected the Venezuelan federation to announce it.

    im confused,wasnt there a instrg post on monday with a clip of yefe s leg and a prayer emoji,so he must of been injured on monday or saturdays game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reggie View Post
    Ali Curtis said the injury was only confirmed late Thursday afternoon, adding the club had not expected the Venezuelan federation to announce it.

    im confused,wasnt there a instrg post on monday with a clip of yefe s leg and a prayer emoji,so he must of been injured on monday or saturdays game?
    There was a shot of him training a day after that. I wonder if he tweaked it but they let him train on anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthesun View Post
    We are a disaster, my god.

    Jozy being given the Van der Wiel treatment when he should've been sold a year ago, we can't keep our best players healthy, we replaced Bez with the wrong GM who in turn hired the wrong coach.

    I've honestly lost all interest in this season already and it's only still May.
    It was a mistake to let him start this year. Just at face value, that wasnít a good idea. Then you add on the people ďmanagingĒ his personality are Armas and Curtis...

 

 

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