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    Quote Originally Posted by NK Toronto View Post
    If Vanney were really interested in building his resume he should be pursuing a job with a 1st division club in one of the top 5 leagues in Europe.
    You've handily illustrated my point that Vanney naysayers believe that only European coaching counts.

    For any American coach, managing the USMNT is an unbelievably huge honour. It's not the same as managing Canada where just making the hex is "success" of sorts. The US should by all rights consistently be up there as a top 10 team. Vanney's shown real ability in managing knockout football, so it's like the job is made for him.

    If he goes far in the WC, that's * how * he would get a top coaching job in Europe (if he wants it, with a young family he may prefer to stay close to home).

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Olsen getting a second chance is a particular dream of certain journos in the States.

    The only box he ticks is he fits into the culture of the club vis-a-vis giving a shit about each other.


    His preferred playing style does not.


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    Pure spec

    How's Patrick Vierra doing?
    His ambitions is in Europe. If you want to hire an Invincible, Freddie Ljungberg is available.

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    Landon Donovan anyone? (Unlikely if LAG aren't even considering him but still)

    Does he own the SD Loyal side that he's currently managing?

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    I thought Ljungberg did a good job managing Arsenal in his brief caretaking stint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokecell View Post
    Landon Donovan anyone? (Unlikely if LAG aren't even considering him but still)

    Does he own the SD Loyal side that he's currently managing?

    Hard fucking pass. No thanks. Last thing I would want is to have to listen to that whiney like bitch on a regular basis.

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    Torsten Frings? He has a complex back story....

    He is managing in Bundesliga 3 now. He managed a year in the top flight at Darmstadt, Darmstadt fans hate him because he spent on veterans that didn't produce, got relegated, got sacked, and then sat out the entirety of his 3 year contract rather than finding a job somewhere else (we would all conclude Darmstadt gave him a dumb contract, it would be normal behaviour in North America, but not getting another job and getting paid out is seemingly a crime against fans in the German context).

    I think life at top tier minnows is impossible... he could be one of those cases where we benefit from the "tuition" paid by the last employer. Frings has had very good experience at the assistant level at Bremen.

    Otherwise, Dichio.

    I like guys with gravitas that are part of the history.
    “What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”

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    Why has nobody mentioned Mista? That’s the most obvious candidate here, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabbronies View Post
    Hard fucking pass. No thanks. Last thing I would want is to have to listen to that whiney like bitch on a regular basis.

    Tell us how you really feel...LOL

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    Some of these names people are throwing around on Twitter make me think this is actually an opening for a CPL team.

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    Patrick Viera was just fired from Nice. A random Brazilian journo tagged TFC in a post about it. First random foreign rumor of the coaching search!

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    Let’s be clear i think Vanney is a good, perhaps great coach. We need to be real, he was given thoroughbreds (highest payroll, Gio, MB and Jozy in their prime) or came knowing this was the case. He deserves real credit making sure everyone rowed the same way. The next coach’s success IMHO will depend as much on MLSE investment and Ali’s capabilities as much as his/her own skill set. If they don’t invest we are going to need a fantastic coach, i really hope that’s not the reason why Vanney left.

    let’s hope MLSE still sees the full value of the Reds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeForbes View Post
    Patrick Viera was just fired from Nice. A random Brazilian journo tagged TFC in a post about it. First random foreign rumor of the coaching search!

    Look just slightly up this thread.

    And, no, its not a random rumour.


    a) MLS experience winning during league (not in playoffs or cup though)

    b) player pedigree

    c) likes to play attacking style

    d) not against playing youth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmancan View Post
    Let’s be clear i think Vanney is a good, perhaps great coach. We need to be real, he was given thoroughbreds (highest payroll, Gio, MB and Jozy in their prime) or came knowing this was the case. He deserves real credit making sure everyone rowed the same way. The next coach’s success IMHO will depend as much on MLSE investment and Ali’s capabilities as much as his/her own skill set. If they don’t invest we are going to need a fantastic coach, i really hope that’s not the reason why Vanney left.

    let’s hope MLSE still sees the full value of the Reds.
    Back in 2017 we were trendy and in fashion so we were able to fill BMO Field each game. We no longer are so avg attendance has dropped in the past 2 years. In order to create a buzz beyond the hardcore (I.e. us) they need another Giovenco type signing. However with nil or very few fans expected in the stands in 2021 I have my doubts that MLSE will be spending big on TFC. Remember their 2 main properties won't have fans in the stands either so MLSE is taking a huge hit financially in 2021.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Look just slightly up this thread.

    And, no, its not a random rumour.


    a) MLS experience winning during league (not in playoffs or cup though)

    b) player pedigree

    c) likes to play attacking style

    d) not against playing youth
    Hahaha. Good call on that. I personally think Viera would be an excellent fit here. Plus I am sure the media and casual soccer fan would absolutely adore the idea of Henry vs. Viera in the Derby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmancan View Post
    Let’s be clear i think Vanney is a good, perhaps great coach. We need to be real, he was given thoroughbreds (highest payroll, Gio, MB and Jozy in their prime) or came knowing this was the case.. .
    Just to go over the timeline here

    Keven Payne hires Nelsen

    Payne is fired

    Bez on board

    TL on board

    Bez hires Vanney for academy but also as backup if Nelsen flames out

    Defoe thing
    Bradley thing

    Nelsen flames out

    Vanney hired as manager


    Giovinco

    Defoe swapped for Altidore

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    Quote Originally Posted by NK Toronto View Post
    Seba was a DP while VV was TAM. If Seba stays we are at 3 DP's and can't sign Poz.
    Positions not contracts

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Just to go over the timeline here

    Vanney hired as manager


    Giovinco

    Defoe swapped for Altidore
    Fair point but you missed the Leiweke thing, and writing was on the wall. Toronto was starved for a winner.

    TFC was going to spend and did spend. He never had a deficient squad.

    MLSE may not invest, which is why Ali is soooooo important beyond grooming youth (and i am scared) and Viera would be kewl.

    Not saying Vanney wasn’t good, read what i am saying. He coached the greatest team ever in MLS, but he also was never, ever lacking.
    Last edited by Bushmancan; 12-03-2020 at 08:47 PM.

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    Wow the candidates from the athletic article are downright depressing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokecell View Post
    Wow the candidates from the athletic article are downright depressing
    I completely agree. Viera the only one I’d have and even they ruled him out in their own article based upon “him needing greater control of the roster”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by portu View Post
    I completely agree. Viera the only one I’d have and even they ruled him out in their own article based upon “him needing greater control of the roster”.
    Vieira has to realize at some point that the days of Wenger are long gone. Klopp works closely with Michael Edward and the staff, Arteta with Edu and their team of analytics and agents. There are no "all powerful" manager of the Fergusons and the Wengers. It's as obsolete as the Ozils and the Libero.

    Besides, Vieira's stint at Nice does not strike me as a vote of confidence in his ability to build a squad.

    That being said, "needing greater control of the roster" does strike me as a little vague. There is a difference between being adamant about a specific player and requesting a player, given a list to choose from, shortening the list before the front office does the negotiating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokecell View Post
    Wow the candidates from the athletic article are downright depressing
    Who are these exactly? Forgive me for being too cheap to subscribe

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    Who are these exactly? Forgive me for being too cheap to subscribe
    Gonna assume it is some of those names the hipsters are throwing around on Twitter. Bent, Calichman, Bobby Smyrniotis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    Who are these exactly? Forgive me for being too cheap to subscribe
    I'm not sure how similar The Athletic's list is, but here's a list of possible candidates from Waking the Red:
    - Jason Bent
    - Danny Dichio
    - John Wolyniec
    - Brian Schmetzer (LOL)
    - Peter Vermes (ugh)
    - Ben Olsen (ugh)
    - Bobby Smyrniotis

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    Quote Originally Posted by NK Toronto View Post
    avg attendance has dropped in the past 2 years.
    Attendance figures for 2020 were pretty terrible!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmancan View Post
    Tell us how you really feel...LOL
    I don't want to scare people away from the message boards, so I'll keep my true feelings to myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auzzy View Post
    I'm not sure how similar The Athletic's list is, but here's a list of possible candidates from Waking the Red:
    - Jason Bent
    - Danny Dichio
    - John Wolyniec
    - Brian Schmetzer (LOL)
    - Peter Vermes (ugh)
    - Ben Olsen (ugh)
    - Bobby Smyrniotis

    Jason Bent is an interesting one. The guy has been here since the beginning. Every manager and FO team has kept him around. He's always one of the guys leading a session at the TFC coaches day. My gut says keep him where he is because he's clearly doing something right.

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    The list at the Athletic is below. https://theathletic.com/2238177/2020...andidates-mls/
    - Robin Fraser
    - Jason Bent
    - Dan Calichman

    - Pat Noonan (assistant in Philly)
    - Gonzalo Pineda (assistant in Seattle)
    - Erza Hendrickson (assistant in Columbus)
    - Ben Olsen

    - David Wagner (former USMT forward, former Huddersfield Town manager, former Schalke manager)
    - Patrick Vieira

    - Bobby Smyrniotis
    - Pa-Modou Kah (Pacific coach, former assistant with FC Cinci)

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    Vieira, Fraser, Wagner or Pineda would be alright, in my opinion. The CPL coaches are a no from me. Really didn't sound from Manning's presser that any of the internal guys would be considered, he just said they would try and find a spot in the organization for them because a new manager would want to bring his own staff.

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    I enjoyed listening to some of the Pa-Modou Kah pressers at the Island Games and he turned Pacific into a positive and fun team. Would like having him on TFC but in an assistant role at this stage.

    David Wagner is an interesting name with top flight experience. I don't know much about his team's playing style, but coming from Dortmund I hope he would bring a positive/attacking playing style.

    EDIT: Here's an article on David Wagner's team style. Very attack focused and high pressing. http://outsideoftheboot.com/2017/05/...-david-wagner/ I like it.
    Last edited by noxx98; 12-04-2020 at 10:32 AM.

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    After going through this song and dance almost every season for the first 7 years of our existence, it feels strange to be discussing this topic again for the first time since 2014.

    I personally like the idea of promoting from within the organization. Stability and familiarity are key to success.

 

 

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