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    They are going to have a vote but have said that they will not be bound to it. Translation: they are fairly confident that the minority of groups are angry about the decision and a vote will give them a free PR spin to say it was democratic in the end. OR they are not bound to the reversal vote. This “foundation” is a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabbronies View Post
    reality is - this would be a TFC supporters initiative. So I would only count on them to chip in for this - and we would only chip in IF TFC were to win. Season isn't over - so i wouldn't put anything in stone .

    With that being said - you should bank on a budget of $800 - $1000 max. I don't see much more being raised. Anything above that would be gravy.
    If someone knows how to start a go fund me... I will throw in the first $250 to get it started, screw the SS Foundation (the NYRB and Portland Timber in particular) and lets give it to our team regardless. I so hope we win, we give Vanney and Team the Manhole cover they want, emblazoned with a Maple Leaf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmancan View Post
    If someone knows how to start a go fund me... I will throw in the first $250 to get it started, fuck the ISC council (the NYRB and Portland Timber in particular) and lets give it to our team regardless. I so hope we win, we give Vanney and Team the Manhole cover they want, emblazoned with a Maple Leaf.
    It appears the ISC is a separate from the SS Foundation. The ISC has 50 SG's as members from MLS, USL, NWSL, NPSL and now the CPL.

    https://www.officialisc.com/current-members

    It's the foundation that has this petty little 5 person board that has done this.

    http://http://supportersshield.org

    Mission Statement

    Since its inception in 1996, MLS has seen many changes, both on the pitch and off, as it has grown into the league we know today. However, the one constant has always been the support of fans. Whether by the handful in cavernous, decrepit buildings, or by the tens of thousands in gleaming new soccer specific stadia, we the fans have supported our local teams through it all. It is we the supporters who are the rightful curators of MLS’s history, as we’ve lived it game by game, minute by minute, song by song, mile by mile.
    Although MLS Cup is the de facto piece of silverware for which every team strives, The Supporters’ Shield is a tangible manifestation of the fans’ passion and commitment. The Supporters’ Shield represents all ninety minutes of every game, every year, and every emotion felt by the fans who strive to lift their teams with their collective voice. More than anything, The Supporters’ Shield belongs to supporters.
    We believe that all fans of MLS, the communal heartbeat of the league, deserve ownership of a trophy independent from corporate interests and truly representative of the commitment and passion that each fan brings to each game, each year. The Independent Supporters Council, via the Supporters’ Shield Foundation, is proud to have been able to help make this a reality.
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    Changed...tx

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    On a side note - can NE please not lose at home to Philly on a stupid own goal please .....spoke too soon, now it’s 2-0.....the whole thing might be coming down to Saturday in Philly where they are undefeated (a loss and we are no longer in first, and we start to need help as we will be down at least 6 in goal differential), all with our less than healthy lineup.....just had the tying goal called back on a very close offside call; that might be a huge call in the big scheme of things....Saturday will be another huge test of the mettle of this group....
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    Watch this group wait until the weekend to decide and see if we win or lose vs the union. If we win, they'll say no shield, if we lose they'll say shield,sincd union will be in first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydermike View Post
    Watch this group wait until the weekend to decide and see if we win or lose vs the union. If we win, they'll say no shield, if we lose they'll say shield,sincd union will be in first.

    Nah, this is not an "anti-TFC" thing.

    This is an "anti-thinking beyond my own bubble so there is no way you lot can be enjoying yourselves because I am not" thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydermike View Post
    Watch this group wait until the weekend to decide and see if we win or lose vs the union. If we win, they'll say no shield, if we lose they'll say shield,sincd union will be in first.
    Yeah, I was thinking the same, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    ....

    But I hate, hate, hate the coercion. They don’t really want to be here. These are optional activities. At least the guys who have to work in essential services know that the world needs them.
    Ensco, I always enjoy your takes on things and appreciate this post being made.

    I'd like to discuss this particular line.

    I am a declared essential worker, a hiring manager who is spending a good chunk of his time looking at resumes to fill a number of positions. The economy right now is almost complete bust or boom - there is no in between.


    The only industries that have jobs right now are transportation, food, banking, pharmaceuticals & government services (and much of the banking & government services sectors are on a freeze).

    The amount of industries that are at this moment dormant is staggering.

    I am seeing staff from auto sales, law offices, doctors offices, airline, manufacturing, retail, accountant offices, construction, telecommunications, resource industries.

    These are people all trying to put money in the bank account to survive.


    If teams were not playing, the amount of people laid off for those would be far beyond the players - we've already seen it with the BMO field staff & ticket reps.

    This season isn't coercion - its what all of us in essential are doing - trying to do something to survive. Because without it, the players and staff right up to the top exec level would not have jobs.

    Yes, these are optional activities. And from what I hear, the losses involved for MLS are huge - but if they don't stay open, there won't be no post covid games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Nah, this is not an "anti-TFC" thing.

    This is an "anti-thinking beyond my own bubble so there is no way you lot can be enjoying yourselves because I am not" thing
    I did mean that as a joke (although 10% of me actually believes it). But yes, it's a completely selfish act by the group in the "if I can't have it, neither can you" mentality


    Does anyone know which five team supporters those people are from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Ensco, I always enjoy your takes on things and appreciate this post being made.

    I'd like to discuss this particular line.

    I am a declared essential worker, a hiring manager who is spending a good chunk of his time looking at resumes to fill a number of positions. The economy right now is almost complete bust or boom - there is no in between.


    The only industries that have jobs right now are transportation, food, banking, pharmaceuticals & government services (and much of the banking & government services sectors are on a freeze).

    The amount of industries that are at this moment dormant is staggering.

    I am seeing staff from auto sales, law offices, doctors offices, airline, manufacturing, retail, accountant offices, construction, telecommunications, resource industries.

    These are people all trying to put money in the bank account to survive.


    If teams were not playing, the amount of people laid off for those would be far beyond the players - we've already seen it with the BMO field staff & ticket reps.

    This season isn't coercion - its what all of us in essential are doing - trying to do something to survive. Because without it, the players and staff right up to the top exec level would not have jobs.

    Yes, these are optional activities. And from what I hear, the losses involved for MLS are huge - but if they don't stay open, there won't be no post covid games.
    I agree with all of this.

    My problem is an MLS specific one. The league did not have pandemic language, the players were going to be paid whether the league played or not. That was obviously not sustainable, but the way the league solved for it was brutal.

    Truth is, nobody cared. Like, literally nobody. But I cared. (The players will remember. There will be a war over this someday. A yearlong strike/lockout or something. You mark my words.)

    Now the part I do get is, if you are going to make them play, then they should be allowed to play for something. I definitely have a couple of hundred bucks for this trophy campaign, I'll make the first transfer.

    Thanks for your kind words Og, you and a number of others here are doing a nice job.
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    Just pretend it's Vanney not Chris Evans
    RIP Chadwick

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    The latest tweets from the CBus #SavetheCrew guy about the process for this are, to be blunt...damning.

    People on the supporter shield group saying they have been thinking about this for months but unwilling to take an ISC vote as necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    The latest tweets from the CBus #SavetheCrew guy about the process for this are, to be blunt...damning.

    People on the supporter shield group saying they have been thinking about this for months but unwilling to take an ISC vote as necessary.
    Regardless of what happens, if we win this... we need to make sure TFC have something to raise. Maybe our own supporters groups could come together and spearhead it. Nothing wrong with RPB leading the way. What do we need to do to execute the back up plan. Lets not wait for the others to leads us, lets pull the TFC supporters together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    The latest tweets from the CBus #SavetheCrew guy about the process for this are, to be blunt...damning.

    People on the supporter shield group saying they have been thinking about this for months but unwilling to take an ISC vote as necessary.

    I just went back through his recent tweets and it is very damning. It seems to be coming out little by little that this was obviously a decision made by a select few for whatever their personal reasons are. I hope this serves as a catalyst for more transparency and change within the SSF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flatpicker View Post
    I'm pretty annoyed by this decision. I've heard no good reason to support this.

    And considering I designed the shield, I'm personally saddened that it won't get handed out. I always get a kick out of seeing it lifted by the players. Even more so when TFC is the team to do so!
    Great job on the shield. And on the cuff links....

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    Why don’t we (RPB) organize a vote amongst supporters groups, and take the advocacy position that the vote has to be yes because the 5 did not engage supporters groups on a critics decision about the SUPPORTERS shield.

    Or more aggressively, announce that we, the RPB, in partnership with the Krew, will award the Supporters Shield given the illegitimate stance of the Fake Five.

    I am completely serious. Will match Enscos contribution for the cost of the new shield.

    Let’s not sit by. Worth even awarding to Seattle. Although that will not happen. Otherwise supporters are totally cut out and the game is totally corporate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyDM View Post
    Why don’t we (RPB) organize a vote amongst supporters groups, and take the advocacy position that the vote has to be yes because the 5 did not engage supporters groups on a critics decision about the SUPPORTERS shield.

    Or more aggressively, announce that we, the RPB, in partnership with the Krew, will award the Supporters Shield given the illegitimate stance of the Fake Five.

    I am completely serious. Will match Enscos contribution for the cost of the new shield.

    Let’s not sit by. Worth even awarding to Seattle. Although that will not happen. Otherwise supporters are totally cut out and the game is totally corporate.

    So across our RPB thread, that’s almost $1,000 dollars already vouched for without blinking an eye. I would be shocked if SSH don’t back down, they really have no choice. They have already lost legitimacy with supporters and probably the league.

    Regardless, my money is still in even if we work with the club and make it a legacy TFC thing (not really sure what that would look like) Man I really need to go for a beer with everyone and shoot the shit, but alas that’s 2021 for me. All for One.

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    The irony of all this is that in the SSF's effort to maintain the legitimacy of the Supporters Shield by not awarding it during a questionable season, they have lost the legitimacy of the Supporters Shield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canary10 View Post
    The irony of all this is that in the SSF's effort to maintain the legitimacy of the Supporters Shield by not awarding it during a questionable season, they have lost the legitimacy of the Supporters Shield.
    Exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyDM View Post
    Why don’t we (RPB) organize a vote amongst supporters groups, and take the advocacy position that the vote has to be yes because the 5 did not engage supporters groups on a critics decision about the SUPPORTERS shield.

    Or more aggressively, announce that we, the RPB, in partnership with the Krew, will award the Supporters Shield given the illegitimate stance of the Fake Five.

    I am completely serious. Will match Enscos contribution for the cost of the new shield.

    Let’s not sit by. Worth even awarding to Seattle. Although that will not happen. Otherwise supporters are totally cut out and the game is totally corporate.
    I have seen a number of comments from more than just Crew and TFC supporters asking about where they can donate if it is going to happen. I think there is far more support for it than against it amongst MLS fans even from teams that have no shot at it this year but just think it is wrong to not award the winner with something.

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    If there is an actual interest in procuring a man hole cover my father (and fellow Reds supporter - we are both SSHs) just happens to be in the business and would donate one. It could be coated red and would have the marking "Danger" on it and the year 2020. It wouldn't be fancy, but it could be a place holder and a specially designed one coated red for the trophy case would take about 3 months. FYI A manhole cover (maintenance hole cover) is roughly 170 pounds.

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    The reach of the TFC supporters never ceases to amaze me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmancan View Post
    Exactly
    It's quite the accomplishment when you think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canary10 View Post
    It's quite the accomplishment when you think about it.
    Damning

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    Quote Originally Posted by NDIrish View Post
    If there is an actual interest in procuring a man hole cover my father (and fellow Reds supporter - we are both SSHs) just happens to be in the business and would donate one. It could be coated red and would have the marking "Danger" on it and the year 2020. It wouldn't be fancy, but it could be a place holder and a specially designed one coated red for the trophy case would take about 3 months. FYI A manhole cover (maintenance hole cover) is roughly 170 pounds.
    I love this. Can we do it? Who speaks for RPB? Flatpicker or Oldtimer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NDIrish View Post
    If there is an actual interest in procuring a man hole cover my father (and fellow Reds supporter - we are both SSHs) just happens to be in the business and would donate one. It could be coated red and would have the marking "Danger" on it and the year 2020. It wouldn't be fancy, but it could be a place holder and a specially designed one coated red for the trophy case would take about 3 months. FYI A manhole cover (maintenance hole cover) is roughly 170 pounds.
    Or could we organize the Toronto supporters groups to say if TFC wins it they will have a trophy, mentioning that we have the mould... If so we need to act before Saturday while it is timely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyDM View Post
    I love this. Can we do it? Who speaks for RPB? Flatpicker or Oldtimer?
    I don’t speak for the group, lol. I’m just a guy who used to have a lot more time on my hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flatpicker View Post
    I don’t speak for the group, lol. I’m just a guy who used to have a lot more time on my hands.

    Happy to participate in any way, will jump on a Zoom or whatever... no matter what the team should get something from all the supporters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmancan View Post
    Happy to participate in any way, will jump on a Zoom or whatever... no matter what the team should get something from all the supporters.
    that would be pretty special

 

 

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