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    Yeah, in my mind, our season ended last night. It is just hard to see how MLS can pick up and resume the season right now. And even if they do, there is a strong chance TFC returns without their home stadium unless something drastically changes.

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    Nobody on TFC got sick, that's a "win" in my book. Exiting now and getting out of that disaster that is the US COVID-19 crisis is what any sane person would want.

    Zero surprise that all 3 Canadian teams exited to return to Canada. It's not 100% safe here for sure, but it's a lot better than there right now. Why fight to stay in Florida?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    14 Miami Marlins test positive.

    Any MLS musings about playing games outside a bubble in September/October are pretty much fantasy.

    Bubble in Canada talk incoming within 2 weeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Bubble in Canada talk incoming within 2 weeks
    There is a lot to sort out for players families etc, but they should probably consider it. Either that or the three Canadian teams should join the CPL for a year. We would finally look like the club we thought we would this season!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    14 Miami Marlins test positive.

    Any MLS musings about playing games outside a bubble in September/October are pretty much fantasy.
    All it is going to take is a story of one professional athlete in North America coming out and saying they have lasting symptoms of this virus and their career is now in question.... Everyone will run for the hills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    All it is going to take is a story of one professional athlete in North America coming out and saying they have lasting symptoms of this virus and their career is now in question.... Everyone will run for the hills.
    Here is your story. Sadly, the tone the player takes is predictable.

    https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/r...-19-infection/

    The NBA is the league to watch. It has by far the highest median net worth per player. Those guys, alone, can be Carlos Vela and tell their bosses where to go.
    Last edited by ensco; 07-27-2020 at 06:25 PM.
    “What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    Here is your story. Sadly, the tone the player takes is predictable.

    https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/r...-19-infection/

    The NBA is the league to watch. It has by far the highest median net worth per player. Those guys, alone, can be Carlos Vela and tell their bosses where to go.
    Sadly, that’s everything you would fear and none of the obvious questions asked. As you seem to allude to, I’m not sure if the player even realizes what he’s facing.

    Agreed the NBA is the horse everyone should follow here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaceyWinger View Post
    There is a lot to sort out for players families etc, but they should probably consider it. Either that or the three Canadian teams should join the CPL for a year. We would finally look like the club we thought we would this season!

    That would not be a bad idea, but the CPL has been mute on what their plan is from the get go. At this point I would be surprised to see them start back up. As long as the pandemic continues to burn like a wildfire down in the States the border will remain closed. Hell the US has had more cases in the last 48 hours than Canada has the entire pandemic. There is no way, at least not to those with logical thought, that we sure resume this season. First and foremost, way put players lives at stake? I have heard horror stories of some of the early health complications people are facing from this virus (i.e. blood clots, internal organ damage etc.) and I cannot understand why they are willing to risk people's lives for the sake of entertainment. Secondly, it will tarnish any accomplishment made be teams. For example, let say the re-start and have TFC, Montreal and Vancouver play each other for the next 2 months (or longer) and let us for the sake of argument say we dominate those games and raking in the points. We then go on to win the East or perhaps even the shield. How with a straight face can we say we are best in the East or even the league when over 50 % of our games will be played against the same 2 teams? You cannot make that claim without facing Seattle, LAFC, Columbus etc etc. The owners and more importantly that asshat Garber need to realize we all see and understand that this year is about as far from normal as we will ever get. Pack it in and try again in 2021.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    The NBA is the league to watch. It has by far the highest median net worth per player. Those guys, alone, can be Carlos Vela and tell their bosses where to go.

    They have more player power then any other sports league in the world.

    The MLS comparison is with the NFL - watch that situation over the next 2 weeks.

    MLB is being naive and darn right dangerous right now.

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    The regular playing in other team's stadiums can work if done right. They probably should have waited until August to start MLB but it can work and it's been proven in places already. Biggest issue N.A sports will have is the threat of the entitled and spoiled rich athlete refusing to isolate for the good of the sport and competition. All it takes is a couple of guys like Lou Williams and you screw up your team, the league, and the safety of lots of people inside and outside your sport. MLS is working so well because nobody is breaking the bubble. NBA had it's moments already with food deliveries and of course Lou William's "only getting take out wings" at the strip club but for now they have it under wraps. Not sure baseball is setting any strict rules. All teams should be isolated, even at home, and only travel to the parks and to airports in private planes & buses. Then it should work fine but of course, everything should really be in stage 3 before thinking of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    The regular playing in other team's stadiums can work if done right. They probably should have waited until August to start MLB but it can work
    The US is not going to be better by August

    And MLB is supposedly sending the team that had Covid, after they get tested, straight to another park - the idea of incubation is being totally missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    The regular playing in other team's stadiums can work if done right. They probably should have waited until August to start MLB but it can work and it's been proven in places already. Biggest issue N.A sports will have is the threat of the entitled and spoiled rich athlete refusing to isolate for the good of the sport and competition. All it takes is a couple of guys like Lou Williams and you screw up your team, the league, and the safety of lots of people inside and outside your sport. MLS is working so well because nobody is breaking the bubble. NBA had it's moments already with food deliveries and of course Lou William's "only getting take out wings" at the strip club but for now they have it under wraps. Not sure baseball is setting any strict rules. All teams should be isolated, even at home, and only travel to the parks and to airports in private planes & buses. Then it should work fine but of course, everything should really be in stage 3 before thinking of it.
    I disagree about the "all it takes" part of your point. People catch this at Home Depot. You don't have to be selfish, just unlucky and sometimes not too carefull. Like, say some clubhouse attendant takes the bus to work and is asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic. You could easily take down a team. This is less likely to happen in Canada because the prevalence of the virus at this point is fairly low. Even if you're not carefull your likelihood of running into an infected person isn't high (in relative terms to say Florida). MLBs issue is even if all of the players are careful, they are travelling into and out of a place where the current level of infection is so high that it's far more likely to find an unlucky encounter somewhere in your day. If there are 12000 new reported cases a day there is some level much higher than that of people who are spreading it whether they feel ill or not. To me this is why the bubble is FAR superior an option in North America, even if the Premier League and Bundesliga were able to follow a play from home strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaceyWinger View Post
    I disagree about the "all it takes" part of your point. People catch this at Home Depot. You don't have to be selfish, just unlucky and sometimes not too carefull. Like, say some clubhouse attendant takes the bus to work and is asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic. You could easily take down a team.
    I assume the guys who just work at the stadiums would now be screened, masked, & gloved but probably also generally socially distanced from the superstar players even prior to Covid19. That's why I said the fellow players as they would interact in locker rooms & hotels with no PPE or distancing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmancan View Post
    Good point. NYCFC cheated all night and we wilted.

    I just felt although we played much better, it was Seattle all over. Why doesn't Jozy start the 2nd half. The thing about Altidore and even Achara to a lesser degree, they can hold the ball and either turn and score or play off. They also know how to run through channels to create opportunities.

    This team needs a quality striker, it keeps our opponents honest. One thing last thing on Jozy, who knows what his current issue is but remember in '17 in that Columbus game, he was seriously hurt and played through it and scored that key goal. He will always get a free pass from me and i am not even counting the MLS finals goal.

    Even so, it was our midfield that got creamed. We were allowing them to pursue and overload the right side, like i said easy to say later and be critical but it really was somewhat predictable. If Poz was playing false 9 how much do we really want him tracking back (he is a quality attacking midfielder).
    Totally agree with this: Why doesn't Jozy start the 2nd half. The thing about Altidore and even Achara to a lesser degree, they can hold the ball and either turn and score or play off. They also know how to run through channels to create opportunities.

    Also, Shaff should have started the second half. We had no width and with Poz and Piatti and DeLeon won’t. They are all good players, but Vanney said at the half “no width”. He should have created some. And sent a message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Bubble in Canada talk incoming within 2 weeks
    If MLS is serious about completing the regular season without jeopardizing anyone's health they should strongly consider staging all regular season games in Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal as Hub cities much like the NHL model.

    The players would have to be willing to sacrifice their personal lives for a while for the sake of their income. The MLB/NFL model is not feasible in the foreseeable future in the U.S. without serious risks involved.

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    Agree with Ensco Og and others who emphasize the coronavirus health implications. In the most important picture, the health of the players, it is good they lost. But Vanney still should have brought Jozy on at the half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManUtd4ever View Post
    If MLS is serious about completing the regular season without jeopardizing anyone's health they should strongly consider staging all regular season games in Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal as Hub cities much like the NHL model.

    The players would have to be willing to sacrifice their personal lives for a while for the sake of their income. The MLB/NFL model is not feasible in the foreseeable future in the U.S. without serious risks involved.
    Very well put indeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyDM View Post
    Agree with Ensco Og and others who emphasize the coronavirus health implications. In the most important picture, the health of the players, it is good they lost. But Vanney still should have brought Jozy on at the half.
    I speak out of complete ignorance but I assume the time he got was dictated by what the medical staff would allow.

    Lots of things you could question about our tactical approach to the game. Why not start Mullins so we have some sort of hold up play up top? Why did we continue to try and play out of the back when it wasn’t working? Etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    I speak out of complete ignorance but I assume the time he got was dictated by what the medical staff would allow.

    Lots of things you could question about our tactical approach to the game. Why not start Mullins so we have some sort of hold up play up top? Why did we continue to try and play out of the back when it wasn’t working? Etc...
    Vanney said something a few times in prep for the game. "They have a way of playing". NYC didn't play that way at first & it freaked TFC out & the players who had not experienced that in awhile were unable to adjust (Piatti & Auro & Delgado & Bradley). NYC came out like NYRB.

 

 

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