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    Quote Originally Posted by azorean View Post
    Tell that to your boss next time you rip him in public, see how that goes for you.
    lol, ok. But whatís the answer?

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    Isn't it odd that management would commit to a new multiyear contract without making damn sure they knew everything about the ankle and were taking care off properly? It's not like the deal was wrapped up on Day 1 of the offseason. This really shouldn't have been a surprise. Irresponsible on numerous levels.

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    I guess this explains the year we had everyone injured.

    Fire the whole department. Clean house.

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    The thing no one seems to have mentioned yet is we don't know how much of the decision came from Bradley himself. What if he was adamant he didn't want surgery, or something?

    I feel like we don't know enough yet to know where to place the blame.

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    Could be poor handling, but Altidore should really shut the fuck up. Looked like a god damn fool today.

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    is there a way for me to update the thread title? I forgot the word months

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydermike View Post
    is there a way for me to update the thread title? I forgot the word months
    Only a mod can do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azorean View Post
    Bono backstopped us to MLS cup, the guy was relegated to the bench for months , rightly so as Westberg was performing better, and yet i don't hear a peep out of him. Sometimes it is good to just be quiet. Jozy should just be quiet sometimes.
    Not really true. Bono did complain, and came across looking pretty clueless. Like has he watched some tapes?

    https://www.thestar.com/sports/tfc/2...oronto-fc.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auzzy View Post
    Not really true. Bono did complain, and came across looking pretty clueless. Like has he watched some tapes?

    https://www.thestar.com/sports/tfc/2...oronto-fc.html
    I don't know, I just read the article, hint of frustration, yes, but to tell you the truth, I'm more impressed with him and the way he has handled things after reading this article then before! Some of the quotes were real classy, team first always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James17930 View Post
    The thing no one seems to have mentioned yet is we don't know how much of the decision came from Bradley himself. What if he was adamant he didn't want surgery, or something?

    I feel like we don't know enough yet to know where to place the blame.
    Lol thank you! Was looking for this comment in this thread and the transfer thread.

    Without knowing Bradleyís involvement in the decision making, everyone needs to chill.

    Bradley has enough sway at the club to pretty much call his own shots so Iím sure he was aligned with the cautious approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyDM View Post
    Just read Vanney's comments about the actual nature of the injury - the cartilage between the tibia and the ankle. This might be quite serious as that cannot heal and almost certainly will be a long run problem for Bradley. I feel for him because his entire strength is the most extraordinary engine - how do you keep that engine up if your ankle is always sore - and getting worse. I worry about the longer term for him - like next year.
    Good thing we just signed him to a 3 year contract.

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    Every time Altidore has publically criticized someone at TFC he's had a point. Don't mind this at all.

    I'm still waiting for more info about the exact injury and more outsider info from medical experts, but right now this looks pathetic

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    No matter what, even if Bradley insisted himself that surgery was a last resort, the medical team should get a review.

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    Has anyone wondered that the medical team may have tried Physiotherapy first, at Bradley's insistence, which can take months to actually do some good and as a last resort surgery was the only option. Think about the timeline between the MLS Cup final and now, what 2 or 3 months. Hopefully a speedy recovery. Altidore sometimes needs to clam up, he is not the captain or spokesman for the players, just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobo View Post
    Isn't it odd that management would commit to a new multiyear contract without making damn sure they knew everything about the ankle and were taking care off properly? It's not like the deal was wrapped up on Day 1 of the offseason. This really shouldn't have been a surprise. Irresponsible on numerous levels.
    Whatís odd is you thinking management didnít know. It hasnít been a surprise. Just because you didnít know doesnít mean the management and staff didnít know. Crazy idea but the management know a lot more than you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomLawrence View Post
    Whatís odd is you thinking management didnít know. It hasnít been a surprise. Just because you didnít know doesnít mean the management and staff didnít know. Crazy idea but the management know a lot more than you.
    Is that you, Ali?

    If they did know and opted not to do anything because MB calls the shots, that's still irresponsible - even more so.

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    You try to keep MB off the field. It's a real challenge, and you don't ignore your star players feelings. Maybe you force him for his own good, but often these decisions aren't so clear cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobo View Post
    Is that you, Ali?
    Tom predates Ali by years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomLawrence View Post
    What’s odd is you thinking management didn’t know. It hasn’t been a surprise. Just because you didn’t know doesn’t mean the management and staff didn’t know. Crazy idea but the management know a lot more than you.
    Yes it is silly to suggest management don’t know what is going on.

    The issue is judgment. We seem to be getting these tough calls wrong over and over.

    Much as I love Jozy, what he did was a bit unfair. We need to know a lot more to evaluate the judgment.

    I am worried about it. The level of trust seems not solid enough.
    ďWhat the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.Ē

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    You try to keep MB off the field. It's a real challenge, and you don't ignore your star players feelings. Maybe you force him for his own good, but often these decisions aren't so clear cut.
    Also not a clear cut thing to force a player to undergo surgery if they don't want it or want to try rehab first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    Yes it is silly to suggest management don’t know what is is going on.

    The issue is judgment. We seem to be getting these tough calls wrong over and over.
    I mean, I did specify taking the necessary steps (which, evidently, they did not) in ADDITION to just knowing about it. But whatever, I did butcher the English language when I typed it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    Also not a clear cut thing to force a player to undergo surgery if they don't want it or want to try rehab first.
    They also weren't forced to sign a 32-year-old to a multiyear deal while he's dealing with a serious injury. Setting aside the well-being of the player, it's just a weird business decision. Can only hope Bradley is back to his normal self when he returns in April/May, but I have to doubt that's a given at this point in his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobo View Post
    I mean, I did specify taking the necessary steps (which, evidently, they did not) in ADDITION to just knowing about it. But whatever, I did butcher the English language when I typed it.




    They also weren't forced to sign a 32-year-old to a multiyear deal while he's dealing with a serious injury. Setting aside the well-being of the player, it's just a weird business decision. Can only hope Bradley is back to his normal self when he returns in April/May, but I have to doubt that's a given at this point in his career.
    I think you probably didn't see Vanney's interview. Obviously Vanney does not want to lose a key player, but he says in defense of the medical staff that it is a very difficult to diagnose injury in a particular place where the player will feel completely normal except when he really pushes himself, plus the serious injury was disguised by other less serious injury in the area. Apparently Vanney's daughter has had a similar injury from gymnastics so he knows all about it.

    I feel that those of us who aren't medical professionals should hesitate to decide that the medical staff don't know what they are doing in this case.

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    As for signing him again when he was injured, that's no biggie – it's only a 4 month thing. He'll be back.

    After processing all the info, here's the best summary I think we can give so far:

    The injury was not straight-forward. There was some sort of contact injury nestled deep in the ankle surrounded by a lot of swelling, making it very easily missed on all the scans, even by the specialists. The honest medical opinion was that it could probably be rehabbed, with the aim of having Bradley back by the start of the season. Only after some time, with other parts of ankle healing, were they able to know it wasn't right, and then detect the deep-lying injury. It really doesn't seem like there was any negligence, just bad luck.

    So as for Jozy's comments, there are two possibilities:

    1) He's lashing out as a first reaction, just assuming that something was done wrong. If this is the case, then he obviously has some big problem with the club, wether just with the medical staff or with the front office as well. Given that he was also so quick to insult Manning last year, it's starting to seem like he really has some sort of problem with management. If that's the case, though, why re-sign? If he thinks the club is run so poorly, and handles players' health so poorly, why stay? But since he has decided to stay, regardless of any misgivings he may have, he really, really needs to be more professional and stop running his mouth off to the press over things he probably doesn't know much about. Or,

    2) He does have inside info, and he's acting as a sort of proxy for Bradley. Maybe he and Bradley were in contact all through the winter, and Bradley was expressing his frustration over the injury and how the staff were handling it, and Jozy is echoing Bradley's feelings over everything. If that's the case, then I would fully support him, and it would really say that TFC have to take a very hard look at their medical department. But then again, if MB was angry over how the injury was being treated, why so nobly re-sign as TAM? Why be so dedicated to a club that was screwing him over (in this scenario, I mean)?

    So, unfortunately, the signs seem to point to 1) more than 2). Of course, we'll have to wait to hear from Bradley to be sure.

    On a self-aggrandizing note, remember I said it was weird they were taking so long to sign Bradley, that something might be up? Well, it seems like it was this. You may all offer your apologies forthwith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    Also not a clear cut thing to force a player to undergo surgery if they don't want it or want to try rehab first.
    It is a story in NHL right now as well, Connor McDavid and rehab. Story about different injury and different solution but similar silence.

    https://www.tsn.ca/ryan-rishaug-conn...gery-1.1430869

 

 

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