TFC 2019-2020 player off-season roster discussion

[Mikmacdo]

What about Osorio?

At 750 k and 10 goals and 7 assists in 2018 I think this player needs to be starting. Can he play out wide?

For context with the salary given to Gallardo and Osorio we could afford someone like Julien Gressel as one of the best wingers in the mls teaming up with Piatti. We just can’t afford to have average production from the other wing or Osorio position. That’s the one position I can’t seem to figure out if they play Piatti up top and go to a 4-4-2 or do they go 4-3-3 have Osorio starting as a winger or they have a 4-3-3 and have some cheap winger (Endoh, Deleon, Shaff starting) and Osorio at 750 k on the bench ?

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Delgado could start over Osorio.

[MikeForbes]

The thing with Osorio is that the best player on the team plays his best position (Poz). He tends to disappear when he plays on the left and does not bring the work rate or ball winning abilities of a Marky Delgado to play the 8. He is kind of a luxury player at this point that probably would be a prime candidate to be dealt if it wouldn't be met with big time outrage from the fanbase. He is a very good player though and will help Toronto win some games, no matter where he plays.

[djking2]

The thing with Osorio is that the best player on the team plays his best position (Poz). He tends to disappear when he plays on the left and does not bring the work rate or ball winning abilities of a Marky Delgado to play the 8. He is kind of a luxury player at this point that probably would be a prime candidate to be dealt if it wouldn't be met with big time outrage from the fanbase. He is a very good player though and will help Toronto win some games, no matter where he plays.

Marky is likely gone by the end of the transfer window either this one or the next one. We're gonna lose him to free agency at the end of the year anyways. It'll be interesting to see what they can get for him. He fits better in the double pivot than Osorio for sure but if he goes Okello may fit there too.

[Mikmacdo]

Marky is likely gone by the end of the transfer window either this one or the next one. We're gonna lose him to free agency at the end of the year anyways. It'll be interesting to see what they can get for him. He fits better in the double pivot than Osorio for sure but if he goes Okello may fit there too.

yeah we need to hang onto marky until bradley is back.

[Defoe]

The thing with Osorio is that the best player on the team plays his best position (Poz). He tends to disappear when he plays on the left and does not bring the work rate or ball winning abilities of a Marky Delgado to play the 8. He is kind of a luxury player at this point that probably would be a prime candidate to be dealt if it wouldn't be met with big time outrage from the fanbase. He is a very good player though and will help Toronto win some games, no matter where he plays.

Would a 4-2-3-1 would work? But Ideally we could turn Osorio's 750 k and Gallardo's contract into a productive winger. That money could get us a Katai tier winger... Another player I liked that earned only 650 last year was Hector Villalba

—————-Altidore
——Piatti—Pozuelo—Osorio
—Bradley(Fraser)- Delgado
Morrow-Mavinga-Gonzalez-Laryea

[Lil'John]

The thing with Osorio is that the best player on the team plays his best position (Poz). He tends to disappear when he plays on the left and does not bring the work rate or ball winning abilities of a Marky Delgado to play the 8. He is kind of a luxury player at this point that probably would be a prime candidate to be dealt if it wouldn't be met with big time outrage from the fanbase. He is a very good player though and will help Toronto win some games, no matter where he plays.

This is exactly right. He's not a bad player, but he is best in the same position as Poz (and Victor V). We want Poz in that position!

[Oldtimer]

Seems like Piatti is making his debut on Wed nights pre-season game anyone know if they will be streaming it ?

TFC is not streaming any games.

[MikeForbes]

Don't write Delgado out of the picture just yet. That awful interview he gave was definitely a negotiation tactic to get a raise. You know Vanney will be pushing for him to be brought back.

[ag futbol]

Don't write Delgado out of the picture just yet. That awful interview he gave was definitely a negotiation tactic to get a raise. You know Vanney will be pushing for him to be brought back.

Meh, let him play it out.

Look at the production we got from Osorio in his contract year.

[James17930]

Would a 4-2-3-1 would work? But Ideally we could turn Osorio's 750 k and Gallardo's contract into a productive winger. That money could get us a Katai tier winger... Another player I liked that earned only 650 last year was Hector Villalba

—————-Altidore
——Piatti—Pozuelo—Osorio
—Bradley(Fraser)- Delgado
Morrow-Mavinga-Gonzalez-Laryea

I think we need to see what Gallardo can do before writing him off. This could be his break out season.

[rydermike]

I think we need to see what Gallardo can do before writing him off. This could be his break out season.

They said Piatti will be load managed this year, and Altidore is probably going to be as well (or just injured). Gallardo could get 20 games based on just subbing those two alone using this lineup (direct swap with Piatti and triangle rotation of Poz/Oso/Galardo for Altidore - poz up top, oso to middle, gallardo to wing)

[Ultra & Proud]

They said Piatti will be load managed this year

I got the impression that load management would apply to more than just Piatti. I bet Jozy is going to be doing it or at least should be.

[Dave F]

I got the impression that load management would apply to more than just Piatti. I bet Jozy is going to be doing it or at least should be.

Wow guys Load management with Jozy and Piatti isnt Bradley also out for a few months?

[OgtheDim]

Yeah, expect to hear the words load management a lot.

Bradley, Pozeulo, Ciman, Mavinga, Gonzalez, Morrow - all going to get games off for that. Our depth is going to be tested, which is why DeLeon & Endoh are going nowhere.

Our best 11 will take shape in September - until then, its what it takes to win that day given we also have to win next week.

[Bushmancan]

The only benefit to not being in the CCL is that there won't be up to 8 extra games between now and june

[Oldtimer]

The only benefit to not being in the CCL is that there won't be up to 8 extra games between now and june

Don't discount that, it's pretty big. Those games are midweek so greatly affects players rest.

[Mikmacdo]

This team has lots of depth. Osorio/Delgado, Fraser(when Bradley is back), Ciman, laryea, shaffleburg, endoh them you have rookies like Nelson, Achara who could debut.

[Initial B]

I was just watching the goal the Fire scored yesterday. I noticed that's the second time that Bono has been beaten to the near-side post. That should be almost inexcusable at this level for a keeper. Has he lost another step in form? I'm glad we have Q, but I'm getting worried about the quality of the backups.

[noimpactinmtl]

I was just watching the goal the Fire scored yesterday. I noticed that's the second time that Bono has been beaten to the near-side post. That should be almost inexcusable at this level for a keeper. Has he lost another step in form? I'm glad we have Q, but I'm getting worried about the quality of the backups.

Keepers stopping a near post shot is a myth, as explained by TIFO Football. Too many variance is involved to definitely say that a keeper should be able to stop a near post shot. Not even de Gea or Courtois can stop a well placed shot anywhere. Until we see the goal, I can’t really say whether it was a great shot by the scorer or a keeper error (position sense)

[MightyDM]

Keepers stopping a near post shot is a myth, as explained by TIFO Football. Too many variance is involved to definitely say that a keeper should be able to stop a near post shot. Not even de Gea or Courtois can stop a well placed shot anywhere. Until we see the goal, I can’t really say whether it was a great shot by the scorer or a keeper error (position sense)

very interesting video. thanks for sharing. Bono should have saved this; De Gea that one. Is it overstated about keepers and the near post? Perhaps. But often near post goals are onses they make a mistake on. So Im still in the "shouldnt be beaten by a near post shot" camp . Its just angles.

[Mikmacdo]

MLS schedule almost the whole team needs load management. All the mid week games, plus canadian championship and dont forget TFC is in the other north american tournament.

[ag futbol]

I think we need to see what Gallardo can do before writing him off. This could be his break out season.

Agreed, but I’m not sure when that’s going to be. Looking even at the preseason lineups, he’s not getting much burn. Injured perhaps?

[OgtheDim]

Here is only place I've seen the goal in question -

Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/ChicagoFire/status/1230281858052587520

[Auzzy]

Here is only place I've seen the goal in question -

Hard to be sure in that video & at that angle, but that looked weak on Bono's part. Not like it was a rocket to the top near corner which is hard to stop. More of a dribbler, where you think he should have been able to stick out a foot or arm.

[ag futbol]

Hard to be sure in that video & at that angle, but that looked weak on Bono's part. Not like it was a rocket to the top near corner which is hard to stop. More of a dribbler, where you think he should have been able to stick out a foot or arm.

It’s hard to tell what angle the attacker is coming in at as well. If he’s got a lot of net to shoot at it becomes incredibly hard to always cover your near post.
But agreed, looked soft. I think he’s in his own head right now more than anything else

[noimpactinmtl]

It’s hard to tell what angle the attacker is coming in at as well. If he’s got a lot of net to shoot at it becomes incredibly hard to always cover your near post.
But agreed, looked soft. I think he’s in his own head right now more than anything else

All we can hope is that Bono and the coaches look over the footages to see if they can spot technical mistakes or anything.

[Ultra & Proud]

All we can hope is that Bono and the coaches look over the footages to see if they can spot technical mistakes or anything.

Biggest technical mistake made with Bono is putting him the starting XI.

[East Coast Red]

Biggest technical mistake made with Bono is putting him the starting XI.

Sad, but true.

[MightyDM]

It’s hard to tell what angle the attacker is coming in at as well. If he’s got a lot of net to shoot at it becomes incredibly hard to always cover your near post.
But agreed, looked soft. I think he’s in his own head right now more than anything else

Might be. He was a good shot stopper at one point, quite good. he and Zavs made some errors early on in 2018 and neither seems to have recovered.

[MightyDM]

Are they converting Shaff to a LB? what will Griifin dorsey's role be?