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    I want to be very wrong on this, but I am hoping we are not going to start doing Curtis' old NYRB model of building from within too much. 2-3 players is fine and normal. They need to act on getting that DP and a quality starting 11 piece. They have moved around enough money to get this done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canuckistan View Post
    I want to be very wrong on this, but I am hoping we are not going to start doing Curtis' old NYRB model of building from within too much. 2-3 players is fine and normal.
    That's exactly what I think we're going to see for the first half of the season. The kids are all going to get starts until June so the braintrust knows what they have to work with, who's ready, who has potential, and who should be cut loose. They'll take the losses and mistakes and see who improves. They're probably aiming for mid-table, just inside or outside the playoffs. If anything, last year proved to MLS FOs that you don't need to be in first place at the end of season, only have momentum and a team that comes together at the right time to make a playoff run. MLS Cup or bust, Supporter's Shield is an afterthought and irrelevant in an unbalanced schedule.

    Then the club is going to spring for a DP and a couple of quality players on TAM or loan by end of June and get them integrated by the beginning of September and go on a run from then until the MLS Cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canuckistan View Post
    I want to be very wrong on this, but I am hoping we are not going to start doing Curtis' old NYRB model of building from within too much. 2-3 players is fine and normal. They need to act on getting that DP and a quality starting 11 piece. They have moved around enough money to get this done.
    I'm far from a "All Canadian Homegrowns Forever!" guy but if we can successfully develop young players like NYRB then I am all for it. I hope we turn into what NYRB were. Winning shields and being top drawer consistently sounds good to me.

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    I do enjoy seeing homegrowns come through and hopefully go onto bigger and better things. That said, I am a firm believer in them earning their playing time. Everyone is so quick to try and displace players like Delgado, DeLeon and Endoh, but these guys have earned the spots they have and Vanney is not going to just hand someone like Nelson a spot just because he has the hype. That said, we desperately need to develop some defenders for both club and country. The national team is shambolic defensively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Initial B View Post
    That's exactly what I think we're going to see for the first half of the season. The kids are all going to get starts until June so the braintrust knows what they have to work with, who's ready, who has potential, and who should be cut loose. They'll take the losses and mistakes and see who improves. They're probably aiming for mid-table, just inside or outside the playoffs. If anything, last year proved to MLS FOs that you don't need to be in first place at the end of season, only have momentum and a team that comes together at the right time to make a playoff run. MLS Cup or bust, Supporter's Shield is an afterthought and irrelevant in an unbalanced schedule.

    Then the club is going to spring for a DP and a couple of quality players on TAM or loan by end of June and get them integrated by the beginning of September and go on a run from then until the MLS Cup.
    This is a very interesting line of thought that I am sure many on this board have. I have actually had this line of thought before I slapped this nonsense out of my head.
    Let me explain to you why this line of thought that supporters shield and first place means nothing and the just get hot and run the table at the end is all you need to do is utter nonsense.

    1) winning supporters shield gives a team around a 40% chance of winning the MLS cup
    2) winning the division but not supporters shield give a 20-25% chance of winning the MLS cup
    3) finishing 4th as TFC did gives a team around a 8% chance of winning the MLS cup
    4) finishing 6th or 7th gives a team around a 3-4% chance of winning the MLS cup.

    these odds were the outright odds on oddsportal when the regular season ended.

    What TFC did last year beating NYCFC in the last 5minutes and Atlanta in the last 12 minutes was highly improbable. The in game odds were around 2% for tfc to win both of those games in regulation time.

    Plus and this is very important, the fans are not paying good money to go down to BMO and see a shitshow. We are paying to be entertained. If memory serves me correctly every home game after the MN United game was a shitshow until the Impact game in August.

    I am very curious to see how many people are at BMO this year due to the crap that was on the field last year.
    I don't think they can risk that again. They have got to put a quality team on the field at the start of the year.
    If we had of lost in NYC everybodys whole attitude would be different.
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    The point on filling BMO is good. This is a crowded market and we aren't in a 20k stadium anymore. Anything less than 28k makes the place look pretty empty now.

    Apart from CCL, the last two years have been largely hard to watch at BMO. Even the product on television is difficult. We didn't exactly get into MLS Cup on the back of five star performances or exciting as in the past. Those playoff games were fucking brutal to watch this year. If we say fuck the first half of the season then I think the team is in danger of slipping in relevancy. The reality of this market is that you need notable figures connecting with the community and you need to do that while you win. You don't need Zlatan, but you need Giovinco. Likewise, a Luís Nani is more desirable than an Ezequiel Barco. It's not the number one consideration but I think timing and marketability genuinely need to be considerations when chasing DP targets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by portu View Post
    The point on filling BMO is good. This is a crowded market and we aren't in a 20k stadium anymore. Anything less than 28k makes the place look pretty empty now.

    Apart from CCL, the last two years have been largely hard to watch at BMO. Even the product on television is difficult. We didn't exactly get into MLS Cup on the back of five star performances or exciting as in the past. Those playoff games were fucking brutal to watch this year. If we say fuck the first half of the season then I think the team is in danger of slipping in relevancy. The reality of this market is that you need notable figures connecting with the community and you need to do that while you win. You don't need Zlatan, but you need Giovinco. Likewise, a Luís Nani is more desirable than an Ezequiel Barco. It's not the number one consideration but I think timing and marketability genuinely need to be considerations when chasing DP targets.
    There was a total lack of interest in the MLS cup last year by anyone other than hard core tfc fans.
    heck real sports bar, owned by MLSE didn't even have a viewing party!!

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    The expansion of BMO, the whole upper east, well we now can see it was a colossal mistake. I have no idea why Leiweke did that, and said so at that time, and that was before anyone knew that most of those additional seats would turn out to be terrible. I will take any seat in the building above a seat in the upper east, unless it's in the first 3-4 rows.)

    I thought this big expansion was because they had some grand, sneaky vision to do a bunch of outdoor Leaf games, but that wasn't it. It was the stupid Grey Cup, and one Leaf gane. Hope they enjoyed that.

    Why so big? Why couldn't they have just closed in the corners, done a bit more in the endzones, left it at 25K, and spared us the upper east?

    So now they 7000 or 8000 seats that they have real trouble selling, except for the very best games. Plus by doing that they have seriously impaired the value prop for SSHs - I am not one, I have no trouble getting decent seats for any game I want to go to, including playoffs. The only game I ever had to pay a serious premium for was MLS Cup 2017.

    It has all kinds of knock on effects, including the one we are talking about. Without a special team, like the 2017 version, it's pretty dead in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    The expansion of BMO, the whole upper east, well we now can see it was a colossal mistake. I have no idea why Leiweke did that, and said so at that time, and that was before anyone knew that most of those additional seats would turn out to be terrible. I will take any seat in the building above a seat in the upper east, unless it's in the first 3-4 rows.)

    I thought this big expansion was because they had some grand, sneaky vision to do a bunch of outdoor Leaf games, but that wasn't it. It was the stupid Grey Cup, and one Leaf gane. Hope they enjoyed that.

    Why so big? Why couldn't they have just closed in the corners, done a bit more in the endzones, left it at 25K, and spared us the upper east?

    So now they 7000 or 8000 seats that they have real trouble selling, except for the very best games. Plus by doing that they have seriously impaired the value prop for SSHs - I am not one, I have no trouble getting decent seats for any game I want to go to, including playoffs. The only game I ever had to pay a serious premium for was MLS Cup 2017.

    It has all kinds of knock on effects, including the one we are talking about. Without a special team, like the 2017 version, it's pretty dead in there.
    Plus, changes for Argos in North end deaden atmosphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    The expansion of BMO, the whole upper east, well we now can see it was a colossal mistake. I have no idea why Leiweke did that, and said so at that time, and that was before anyone knew that most of those additional seats would turn out to be terrible. I will take any seat in the building above a seat in the upper east, unless it's in the first 3-4 rows.)

    I thought this big expansion was because they had some grand, sneaky vision to do a bunch of outdoor Leaf games, but that wasn't it. It was the stupid Grey Cup, and one Leaf gane. Hope they enjoyed that.

    Why so big? Why couldn't they have just closed in the corners, done a bit more in the endzones, left it at 25K, and spared us the upper east?

    So now they 7000 or 8000 seats that they have real trouble selling, except for the very best games. Plus by doing that they have seriously impaired the value prop for SSHs - I am not one, I have no trouble getting decent seats for any game I want to go to, including playoffs. The only game I ever had to pay a serious premium for was MLS Cup 2017.
    Well, the team was doing fine without the addition, but now that it's there it's harming nothing except the skyline views while providing flux capacity when the team piques the public interest again. They've sunk the cost into it and I'm sure it's accounted for somewhere on the balance sheet as having completed its ROI so any more profit is gravy.

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    It makes me wonder where the season seat numbers truthfully are, because if they are where it has been suggested a lot bought tickets are simply going unused for certain games. I was once told by someone that there were games where 5,000-6,000 seats that were off the system ie sold were going unused. Now I get TFC tickets are very cheap compared to the Leafs and Raptors, thus someone is not going to loose their minds if their tickets were to go unused, but to see that happen in mass makes me wonder?

    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    The expansion of BMO, the whole upper east, well we now can see it was a colossal mistake. I have no idea why Leiweke did that, and said so at that time, and that was before anyone knew that most of those additional seats would turn out to be terrible. I will take any seat in the building above a seat in the upper east, unless it's in the first 3-4 rows.)

    I thought this big expansion was because they had some grand, sneaky vision to do a bunch of outdoor Leaf games, but that wasn't it. It was the stupid Grey Cup, and one Leaf gane. Hope they enjoyed that.

    Why so big? Why couldn't they have just closed in the corners, done a bit more in the endzones, left it at 25K, and spared us the upper east?

    So now they 7000 or 8000 seats that they have real trouble selling, except for the very best games. Plus by doing that they have seriously impaired the value prop for SSHs - I am not one, I have no trouble getting decent seats for any game I want to go to, including playoffs. The only game I ever had to pay a serious premium for was MLS Cup 2017.

    It has all kinds of knock on effects, including the one we are talking about. Without a special team, like the 2017 version, it's pretty dead in there.

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    boy do we need a signing.this thread in jan should be called the sky is falling thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    The expansion of BMO, the whole upper east, well we now can see it was a colossal mistake. I have no idea why Leiweke did that, and said so at that time, and that was before anyone knew that most of those additional seats would turn out to be terrible. I will take any seat in the building above a seat in the upper east, unless it's in the first 3-4 rows.)

    I thought this big expansion was because they had some grand, sneaky vision to do a bunch of outdoor Leaf games, but that wasn't it. It was the stupid Grey Cup, and one Leaf gane. Hope they enjoyed that.

    Why so big? Why couldn't they have just closed in the corners, done a bit more in the endzones, left it at 25K, and spared us the upper east?

    So now they 7000 or 8000 seats that they have real trouble selling, except for the very best games. Plus by doing that they have seriously impaired the value prop for SSHs - I am not one, I have no trouble getting decent seats for any game I want to go to, including playoffs. The only game I ever had to pay a serious premium for was MLS Cup 2017.

    It has all kinds of knock on effects, including the one we are talking about. Without a special team, like the 2017 version, it's pretty dead in there.
    I think it would be foolish to call the expansion a failure. Our average attendance certainly eclipses our previous capacity and the size of the facility has made it a likely venue for the 2026 World Cup. Also, if you look at the two previous runs playoff runs you’ll see sell outs and major issues with ticket scarcity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by portu View Post
    The point on filling BMO is good. This is a crowded market and we aren't in a 20k stadium anymore. Anything less than 28k makes the place look pretty empty now.

    Apart from CCL, the last two years have been largely hard to watch at BMO. Even the product on television is difficult. We didn't exactly get into MLS Cup on the back of five star performances or exciting as in the past. Those playoff games were fucking brutal to watch this year. If we say fuck the first half of the season then I think the team is in danger of slipping in relevancy. The reality of this market is that you need notable figures connecting with the community and you need to do that while you win. You don't need Zlatan, but you need Giovinco. Likewise, a Luís Nani is more desirable than an Ezequiel Barco. It's not the number one consideration but I think timing and marketability genuinely need to be considerations when chasing DP targets.
    Agree with this completely. A low-key, but well run club won’t move the needle here. There needs to be some form of hype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    The expansion of BMO, the whole upper east, well we now can see it was a colossal mistake. I have no idea why Leiweke did that, and said so at that time, and that was before anyone knew that most of those additional seats would turn out to be terrible. I will take any seat in the building above a seat in the upper east, unless it's in the first 3-4 rows.)

    I thought this big expansion was because they had some grand, sneaky vision to do a bunch of outdoor Leaf games, but that wasn't it. It was the stupid Grey Cup, and one Leaf gane. Hope they enjoyed that.

    Why so big? Why couldn't they have just closed in the corners, done a bit more in the endzones, left it at 25K, and spared us the upper east?

    So now they 7000 or 8000 seats that they have real trouble selling, except for the very best games. Plus by doing that they have seriously impaired the value prop for SSHs - I am not one, I have no trouble getting decent seats for any game I want to go to, including playoffs. The only game I ever had to pay a serious premium for was MLS Cup 2017.

    It has all kinds of knock on effects, including the one we are talking about. Without a special team, like the 2017 version, it's pretty dead in there.
    So what is the solution:

    lets say for argument sake 6000 seats in the east go unsold every game, that's roughly 100,000 seats/yr (17*6000)
    If the seats sell for an average price of $50CDN $40 USD thats $4M USD/yr
    They need to get a guy for around $4M/yr to fill those seats, they need a marquis name of Italian or Portugese descent as withing blocking distance to BMO is Little Italy and Little Portugal
    Now there is no profit from seat sales as the revenue = cost ($4M revenue=$4 cost)
    but now the atmosphere is there, more people feeds on more people
    Now there would be profit from beer sales and food sales from those 100,000 people and
    there would most likely be a 2nd playoff game at BMO which would bring in around $4M USD
    there would be a second playoff game in all likelihood because the team would be really good with a $4M DP

    and also don't play your second string guys at BMO save them for road games, that really pissed a lot of people off last year
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    Quote Originally Posted by reggie View Post
    boy do we need a signing.this thread in jan should be called the sky is falling thread.
    Over the past few years when I am out and about after games with my TFC shirt the odd person will ask me how the game was.
    I will tell him, then he will tell me that they used to be a SSH but they cancelled for whatever reason, ticket prices went up, team was crap etc.
    Not one of those people I have spoken to has returned to a SSH.
    Once fan is gone as a SSH he is gone as a SSH.

    This is serious shit man.

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    You guys should start a thread about seating and tickets elsewhere pls. Also inclined to agree with the name change to this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevep View Post
    Over the past few years when I am out and about after games with my TFC shirt the odd person will ask me how the game was.
    I will tell him, then he will tell me that they used to be a SSH but they cancelled for whatever reason, ticket prices went up, team was crap etc.
    Not one of those people I have spoken to has returned to a SSH.
    Once fan is gone as a SSH he is gone as a SSH.

    This is serious shit man.
    this is the roster thread,where i come to see the lack of signings and ali s bs,the club has been to 3 finals in 4 years and have the highest payroll,but i must say the club does treat the SSH like shit and take us for granted

 

 

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