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    Quote Originally Posted by stevep View Post
    I don't believe that Jozy is really injured...
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    I suspect the reason is to make the games more competitive. So that San Jose doesn't lose their home opener really badly.


    Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    Portu is obviously correct in his view of what the team was last year. We were a mid table team that lucked out.

    I don’t agree with him, but he has a point. We could be in serious decline here, with last year's MLS Cup clouding our view.
    Guess the second half of the season was just one huge lucky spell as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by portu View Post
    I think this is the last time I’m going to try and explain how I see this because I’ve done it a few times.

    It is not about making finals, it’s about playing in a way and building a team that can reasonably be expected to perform in a way that gets us there. We are not doing that. We lucked our way into MLS Cup 2019. We shouldn’t be lucky to get to MLS Cup, we should think we’re unlucky if we don’t get there.

    And we are so far removed from 2016/17 TFC. If you put weight on making those finals and winning 2017, then you need to consider that we were objectively shit in 2018. Furthermore, you must consider that we were objectively shit for much of 2019 as well. That’s all. I love making finals and winning things and everyone involved deserves kudos. But when I (armchair) evaluate the team I think about how we might do in the near future (1~3 years). What I don’t do is rest on the laurels of years past.
    This is fundamentally flawed because

    a) Like it or not MLS is designed to reward teams that treat the season like a marathon and peak at the right time.

    b) We live in a what have you done for me lately world. I'm sure at work your performance is not evaluated on what you will probably do in the next few years.

    As many have pointed out - just be glad you've been able to witness the success that we've had. You'd think this was a Leafs board the way this team gets shit on.

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    Anyone have a complete injury status update list?

    Michael Bradley - 3-4 months
    Pablo Piatti - 3-4 weeks
    Jozy Altidore - 1 week?

    Is that all

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabbronies View Post
    Guess the second half of the season was just one huge lucky spell as well?
    More like the last quarter plus playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaeltfc91 View Post
    Anyone have a complete injury status update list?

    Michael Bradley - 3-4 months
    Pablo Piatti - 3-4 weeks
    Jozy Altidore - 1 week?

    Is that all
    I think Jozy is just a load management thing. He will probably play. Every time he sits out a load management match this season I think they'll say something like neck stiffness or sore hip. Nothing to do with his usual leg muscle issues to raise alarms but something minor and out of blue.

    As for Piatti, he just started training a little more than halfway through our pre-season and another 3 weeks would give him the equivalent of a full pre-season and that would make sense with a player coming over and coming off injuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabbronies View Post
    Guess the second half of the season was just one huge lucky spell as well?
    Nope. We needed that just to be mid table.

    Going into last week of the season we were fifth in the east, 12th overall.

    We only wound up fourth in the east because of an incredibly lucky result in last game of season.
    “What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    I think Jozy is just a load management thing. He will probably play. Every time he sits out a load management match this season I think they'll say something like neck stiffness or sore hip. Nothing to do with his usual leg muscle issues to raise alarms but something minor and out of blue.
    Who would that benefit, though? I don't think many players - let alone an outspoken dude like Jozy - are going to stay quiet and let the club form a narrative of incessant injury troubles rather than a scheduled recovery routine unless these ailments are legit. Can't imagine the PA would think much of that, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    Gotcha.

    If I'm understanding your view, in your opinion the team needs to consistently win throughout the season, and have a long term trajectory that looks like future winning (by which I think you mean great players who don't get injured).

    I guess you would also see Seattle as an anomaly because they are shit every year then go on a run at the end of each season.

    I don't see it the same way, and that's ok. Football is a game of opinions. I'm pretty optimistic because I think TFC will do well in the MLS context over the next few years.

    OTOH, I don't believe any MLS side, including TFC, will win the CCL until salaries go up significantly.
    This is Football Man! I watched Iceland knock off England!!! An MLS team can win but not by signing injured DPS and not by extending contracts to oft injured players. ( SEE TFC) WE were a kick away two seasons ago! Give us 3 in their prime DPS and I dont mean 1.2 mil a year guys, then we can talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobo View Post
    Who would that benefit, though? I don't think many players - let alone an outspoken dude like Jozy - are going to stay quiet and let the club form a narrative of incessant injury troubles rather than a scheduled recovery routine unless these ailments are legit. Can't imagine the PA would think much of that, either.
    I guarantee Jozy has a sore something after every match. Most players do so it isn't a lie per se. What it does is keep the media and supporters from crying about load management incessantly. For example, take a look at what the Clippers do when Kawhi rests this year. They mention sore knees, muscle fatigue, etc instead of just saying load management.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    Nope. We needed that just to be mid table.

    Going into last week of the season we were fifth in the east, 12th overall.

    We only wound up fourth in the east because of an incredibly lucky result in last game of season.
    Wait... didn’t we win a match to get there too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark TFC View Post
    Wait... didn’t we win a match to get there too?
    Sure. But it should not have mattered. DCU had Cincinnati at home, and had to beat them. Cincinnati went down two men by halftime. DCU odds in game became 1 to 8 that they would win. But I guess Cinci had a Zamboni driver in goal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flambe View Post
    Really?
    TFC saw the backlash against Vanney when he sat the starters for the first half in the Houston game
    The hatred felt for the team after that game was something else
    They will never make that mistake again
    If they want to sit a player for any reason they will say he is injured

 

 

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