It needs more pride and more playing for the shirt / city / club etc...Originally Posted by OgtheDim
This is what's really struck me lately, nobody seems to take it as a hit to their ego when we get embarrassed like this. Needs to be better.
It needs more pride and more playing for the shirt / city / club etc...
This is what's really struck me lately, nobody seems to take it as a hit to their ego when we get embarrassed like this. Needs to be better.
Our next manager has to tick ALL the boxes however including motivating and equal respect across the roster. We keep seeing this old school ‘hardljne’ traditional skipper type and we never try to hire the motivational Tata Martinez or Matthias Almeyda South American type. The only other coach we had with a winning record was Cummins, who wasn’t ready but at least had the respect of his whole squad.
Now watch Plata score. We need the TFC curse to make this afternoon of disaster complete.
I would say, they're probably both getting paid for not working much...
Good thing I sold off my SJ tickets — I’ll go on June 7th in the hopes of seeing an actual game where both Jozy and Poz play together for 80+ minutes (how often has that happened this year?), and then maybe again in July when everyone comes back and our transfer window savior arrives (ha ha ha).....on that note, anyone need 4 tickets to see Atlanta on June 26th?
We will be 10th or worse in the East by July 4th, not a doubt in my mind, and without another scorer signed in the transfer window we will finish that way, which is an embarrassment.....
Vanney did great in strategy with a good team, but he has trouble working out a pragmatic strategy for a mediocre team, which is what we have.
That's kinda what I meant - the "I give a shit" quota isn't high enough.
And the brain trust's "We'll be OK" mantra after the trade deadline is exactly what we were hearing a year ago in the middle of the season that we were promised would not happen again.
This isn't injuries - its the inability of some players to put in an effort.
Hamilton actually shot! Shocking.
Yes Vic Rauter it's all about positioning, we heard you the first 12x
Last edited by ag futbol; 05-18-2019 at 03:54 PM.
I was wrong earlier. I said either we need to fire Vanney or turnover half the squad. Now I see the only hope is to do both.
We need an attitude adjustment and mental reset.
I agree a new coach would need to work with motivation and respect.
But Vanney isn't hardline at all, almost the complete opposite. VdW probably the first & only time he really put his foot down.
For sure, that's what i thought you were getting at too.
And agreed, we still play with an arrogance of a championship team when those days have long since past.
We’re lacking depth but not this bad. Played slump lime this when there’s internal conflict. Something’s going on between Curtis and Vanney factions, I’d bank on it, and players think it’s affecting their ability to do the job.
Remember when the
Media occasionally asked tough questions about whether internal politics were distracting players? Me neither.
They complain about charter flights ! , salaries in MLS still better than 90 per cent of world leagues I am sure....play for shirt?
He isn't hardline but he comes across as cold and matter-of-fact. His assignments for lesser players really aren't motivating in the slightest.
Well at least Westberg is good.
That's completely possible and is better explanation. I keep wondering if Curtis has set up Vanney to fail so that he can justify replacing an MLS Cup winning coach.
Much better than Bono at the moment. He's the best player on the field.
Internal conflict isn't to blame at all.
What we're seeing now is identical to what we saw that year with Bez but we rode with the excuse of CCL hangover.
Laziness, arrogance, bad habits, acceptance of failure, etc.
It's the treble hangover and it will last until we jettison a good chunk of the 2017 players that remain.
Leaving that aside for a second, cause people are motivated / demotivated by more than just pay, wouldn't a professional want to defend their reputation which they've put so much work into? Mailing it in like this looks poor on everyone.
Bradley is a sad-sack right now. If he keeps this up i want no part of it, not even at low TAM levels.
Oh I totally agree with that.
This exactly . He reminds me of old-school
My way of the highway baseball managers, and I genuinely think he has issues with Canadian and European personalities. He wants a machine-like American approach to he roster. I’m not saying he’s wrong in an ideal situation but we aren’t in one, in terms of roster balance, and I think you can get those types of gritty performances out of others even if it’s less natural to them than being more of an individual.
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How the heck would you know internal conflict isn't to blame at all?
Yup Bradley one of the 2017 squad that needs to go. Him & Vanney out first.
I wonder if Curtis looks at this squad and rates a chuck of the young players more highly than Vanney does. (not a defence of Curtis, just a thought).
Regardless, we have to start getting more out of our own homegrown players if we want to keep up with the rest of the league. Maybe that will never work for Hamilton, Chapman, etc. but they should be roundly shot if they waste the current crop of players we have at the academy.
players that gotta go:
auro
zavalletta
delgado
morgan
maybe even Morrow,
only good players, jozy, pozo, bradley, oso, ciman, mavinga, moor
rest are below average,
Forgot to quote but in regards to the internal conflict view: Because we've been doing this same shit for a year and a half already. It didn't start with Curtis.
We're doing exactly what we did last season. Exactly. 100% identical issues and problems. Nothing fixed. If we had new problems then sure but this has been here long enough to say the blame has to fall on Vanney. And on the leaders of the squad as well.
Last edited by Ultra & Proud; 05-18-2019 at 04:00 PM.
What a fucking horrible effort that was.
Almost the classic TFC alumni goal.
Does anyone believe that Zavaleta would be on this team if a new coach takes over?
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