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    Sigh. Red Bulls and Seattle both win and now we're in 6th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthesun View Post
    Sigh. Red Bulls and Seattle both win and now we're in 6th.
    Ya nearly a 0 percent chance to get a home playoff game now. 5th place would be horrible to finish, even worse than 6th due to having to play nyc in round 2.

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    3 weeks ago we dominate NYC in their house & now its a horrible fate.

    Back in early August, we would have bitten off our hands to be in the playoffs & now not getting 4th is a disappointment.

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    Playoffs is a one game and done thing this league hasn't experienced before. There will be 13 days between the last league game & the first round. Lots of time to rest. Within 4 days of the first round kickoffs, there will only be 4 teams left. This is like the 2nd week of the NCAA BB tournament - 16 stories with hope and then suddenly, only 4.

    The days of the playoff grind is done.

    Within 3 seasons, the thinking of playoffs is going to change from "need a good seed" to "get in with momentum & see". Its a fundamentally different set of circumstances. You want to be there but this will all be so quick.

    Ulitmately, this will change how teams are built - road warrior mentality & home team fortress mentality are going to become prevalent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    3 weeks ago we dominate NYC in their house & now its a horrible fate.

    Back in early August, we would have bitten off our hands to be in the playoffs & now not getting 4th is a disappointment.

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    Playoffs is a one game and done thing this league hasn't experienced before. There will be 13 days between the last league game & the first round. Lots of time to rest. Within 4 days of the first round kickoffs, there will only be 4 teams left. This is like the 2nd week of the NCAA BB tournament - 16 stories with hope and then suddenly, only 4.

    The days of the playoff grind is done.

    Within 3 seasons, the thinking of playoffs is going to change from "need a good seed" to "get in with momentum & see". Its a fundamentally different set of circumstances. You want to be there but this will all be so quick.

    Ulitmately, this will change how teams are built - road warrior mentality & home team fortress mentality are going to become prevalent.
    Nyc was missing 3 or 4 starters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikmacdo View Post
    Nyc was missing 3 or 4 starters.
    And LAFC was missing 1 while we were missing 1 as well.

    NYC is a good team, but by the time you get to only 8 teams left in the league, they all are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikmacdo View Post
    Ya nearly a 0 percent chance to get a home playoff game now. 5th place would be horrible to finish, even worse than 6th due to having to play nyc in round 2.
    Got to go through them at some point. I am not overly worried about any east teams at this point. All have issues and if, big if, we can match the intensity of the LAFC match then we can handle them all on in their places.

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    We win both remaining games, I think it's pretty likely we are 4th. Although beating the Fire next week is a tall order, they have a decent shot if they win out.

    I personally don’t think it matters much, I can see pluses and minuses to any of Philly, Atlanta or NYCFC away. Of any of them, I probably like Atlanta the least.

    I agree with those who prefer 6th to 5th, I would like the potential shot at the 7 seed in the semis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    We win both remaining games, I think it's pretty likely we are 4th. Although beating the Fire next week is a tall order, they have a decent shot if they win out..
    This is why is was so pissed at the Houston game.... (we would also be on a 10 game undefeated run) so..... I think I have this right!!

    If we win out we are guaranteed at least 5th and possibly 4th as pointed out above.

    Remember - DC United go to Red Bulls next week. (One team will lose or they tie)

    If we win out and they tie and both win their last game TFC 52pts, DC 52 pts, NYRB 51pts - We are Fourth/Fifth (possibly 4th - Tied with DC, Would be tied with DC for Wins (14), GD will be very close, GF we will be way ahead)

    If we win out and Red Bulls win out - NYRB 53, TFC 52, DC 51 - We are Fifth

    If we win out and DC win out - We are Fifth

    If we win out and Red Bulls/ DC tie and both lose - We are Fourth

    We can still lose one game and possibly get fifth if DC or Red Bulls lose both.

    THE KEY WILL BE TO WIN OUT! PLAYOFFS START NEXT WEEK THEN.



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    9. Coin Toss (tie of two clubs) or Drawing of Lots (tie of three or more clubs)

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    League suspending the Iron Front flag ban


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    "There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff

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    Summer salary update out

    http://mlsplayers.org/resources/salary-guide

    Benezet 600k
    Gallardo 306k
    Omar 1.1M

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    Quote Originally Posted by Areathrasher View Post
    Summer salary update out

    http://mlsplayers.org/resources/salary-guide

    Benezet 600k
    Gallardo 306k
    Omar 1.1M
    Omar on 1.1M. Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by portu View Post
    Omar on 1.1M. Wow.
    He's worth that.

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    Jesus just hate to read our compensation. Jozy 6.3m. Bono 350k. Ciman 400k. Gonzalez 1.1m. Bradley 6.5m. Zavaleta 300k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by portu View Post
    Jesus just hate to read our compensation. Jozy 6.3m. Bono 350k. Ciman 400k. Gonzalez 1.1m. Bradley 6.5m. Zavaleta 300k.
    Omar has been worth the 1.1, the rest can go.

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    Zlatan Ibrahimovic remains highest paid MLS player, Toronto has biggest payroll

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/major-le...iggest-payroll

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    Zavaleta $300k

    Anyone who says TFC ought to win because they are the highest-spending need to look at where the spending is.
    MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    Zavaleta $300k .
    This post really should be moved by a moderator to the Tim Bez thread
    Last edited by OgtheDim; 09-27-2019 at 03:27 PM. Reason: BEZ- DANG- Jokes gone bad now sigh...Friday...need beer

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    This post really should be moved by a moderator to the Ali Curtis thread
    We should have a full evaluation of him at season end, for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    We should have a full evaluation of him at season end, for sure.
    OgtheDim edited his post that you're quoting: Zavaleta was re-signed in Jan 2018, i.e. Bez era.

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    Any positives?

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    If I were a Whitecaps fan, I'd be pretty upset. They promised to do something with the Alphonso Davies money, yet they are the lowest spending team in the league.

    As bad as he was, at least Mo Johnson turned Mo Edu into grass at BMO Field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    If I were a Whitecaps fan, I'd be pretty upset. They promised to do something with the Alphonso Davies money, yet they are the lowest spending team in the league.

    As bad as he was, at least Mo Johnson turned Mo Edu into grass at BMO Field.
    Mo Johnson turned Mo Edu into cash. Tom Anselmi turned the cash into grass.

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    Wow, that’s a lot of money for backup CB’s... Zavaleta, Ciman, and Moor are all at $300+

    Outside of that, this league clearly has its salary structure and priorities wrong if Griffin Dorsey is going to get over 130k+ and you’re going to pay guys with actual potential to be blue chip half that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    Wow, that’s a lot of money for backup CB’s... Zavaleta, Ciman, and Moor are all at $300+

    Outside of that, this league clearly has its salary structure and priorities wrong if Griffin Dorsey is going to get over 130k+ and you’re going to pay guys with actual potential to be blue chip half that.
    Moor was on that money when he was a starter and he was the main guy back there. Now that he isn't that should be corrected.
    Ciman was Moors temp replacement - that number should be corrected
    Zavaleta is a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    Wow, that’s a lot of money for backup CB’s... Zavaleta, Ciman, and Moor are all at $300+

    Outside of that, this league clearly has its salary structure and priorities wrong if Griffin Dorsey is going to get over 130k+ and you’re going to pay guys with actual potential to be blue chip half that.
    Whats Shaff on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyDM View Post
    Whats Shaff on?
    Found the answer - less than half Dorsey.

    I have no axe to grind against Dorsey but he might never see the field again, while Shaff is a talent to mould for the present and the future. Symptomatic of TFC's management's blind spot about Canadians. Examples too numerous to mention but Ben Spencer is another - players who get given more of a chance to prove themselves than their talent would justify (American) and less (Canadian)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyDM View Post
    Found the answer - less than half Dorsey.

    I have no axe to grind against Dorsey but he might never see the field again, while Shaff is a talent to mould for the present and the future. Symptomatic of TFC's management's blind spot about Canadians. Examples too numerous to mention but Ben Spencer is another - players who get given more of a chance to prove themselves than their talent would justify (American) and less (Canadian)
    I don't understand what you're suggesting here - Shaffelburg has played way more meaningful minutes than Dorsey. If you're talking about their difference in salary that's purely because Dorsey signed a Generation Adidas deal. That has nothing to do with TFC. I don't disagree with your point in general, we have seemed to ignore domestic academy players at times in favor of less exciting American college players, but this isn't an example of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    If I were a Whitecaps fan, I'd be pretty upset. They promised to do something with the Alphonso Davies money, yet they are the lowest spending team in the league.

    As bad as he was, at least Mo Johnson turned Mo Edu into grass at BMO Field.
    It was a nice story. But really, for the growth in their business they would have needed to spend money on grass anyway.

    That was a good piece of business for Mo however

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    I think all three summer signings are decent value.

 

 

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