I always understood that any fouls committed in or out of the box where the ball was not in the area of the foul was called a indirect kick...am I right or wrong??
Was that penalty shot the right call?
I always understood that any fouls committed in or out of the box where the ball was not in the area of the foul was called a indirect kick...am I right or wrong??
Foul in the box. Penalty.
Right call.
I am not to sure about that.......a foul off the ball nowhere near the play should not have warranted a penalty.Originally Posted by Oblio2
Someone look up the rule.
I asked myself the same question. I'm pretty sure it's an indirect free kick.
it's a penalty kick as long as the ball is in play.
it was a good call.
An indirect free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if, in the
opinion of the referee, a player:
• plays in a dangerous manner
• impedes the progress of an opponent
• prevents the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from his hands
• commits any other offence, not previously mentioned in Law 12,
for which play is stopped to caution or send off a player
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affe...en%5f55753.pdf
A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following six offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following four offences:
- kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
- trips or attempts to trip an opponent
- jumps at an opponent
- charges an opponent
- strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
- pushes an opponent
A direct free kick is taken from where the offence occurred.* (see preface)
- tackles an opponent to gain possession of the ball, making contact with the opponent before touching the ball
- holds an opponent
- spits at an opponent
- handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)
Penalty Kick
A penalty kick is awarded if any of the above ten offences is committed by a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball, provided it is in play.
I think he made the right call...SHIT!!!
A penalty kick is awarded against a team that commits one of the ten offences for which a direct fre kick is awarded, inside it's own penalty area and while the ball is in play
A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following 7 offences in a manner consdidred by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force.
* Kicks or attempts to kick and opponent
* trips or attempots to trip an opponent
* jumps at an opponent
* charges an opponent
* strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
* pushes an opponent
* Tackles an opponent
A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the follwing 3 offences :
* holds an opponent
* spits at an opponent
* handles the ball deliberately
A direct free kick is taken from the place where the offence occured
(see Law 13-Position of the Free Kick)
Penalty Kick
A penalty kick is awarded if any of the 10 offences is comitted by a player in his own penalty area irrespective of the position of the ball, as long as it's in play
Wow, I was very confident that was a bogus call, I was under the impression that the attacking player had to be involved in the play towards the goal ie. crossing, shooting, heading etc.
What immediatly pops up in my mind, is that fateful day where Dichio scored TFC's first ever goal, didn't he AND ANOTHER PLAYER FROM CHICAGO get red carded in the box? I don't remember a penalty being called there... --(feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)
Whatever I still wanted to make that ref my hood ornament.
I stand corrected
i'd like to see the video of the Hemming play near the end where he got knocked down.
seemed like the ref fucked that one up.... of course it was a judgement call
Trure, the fouls were in the box (in the net even if I remember correctly) but the ball wasn't in play at the time Dichio tried to strangle the Chicago player.
Play wasnt active at the time of the incident
and also the attacking player instigated his red card before the defending team got one as well.
I'd love to see a decent replay of the incident...
Live - I was pretty close and didn't see anything deserving a red card.
On the big screen - No reply.
On CBC (PVR) - no way to tell.
I'm pretty sure that based on how long the linesman talked to the ref and the way the body language went, he didn't see the foul either...
Yeah I know the guy got a bloody nose but a lot of shit happens in a tussle...
Toronto 'til I die although still a Leeds fan at heart...
If you look close, you can see Guevera throw and elbow or a punch
The first call is the decisive one. During the Dichio-Gutierrez fight, the ball was out of play for a corner or goal kick. Therefore, that was still the restart. If you remember the Czech Rep – Turkey game at the euros, the ball went out of bounds for a GK, then the Turkish keeper (Volkan Demirel) knocked over Jan Koller – Red Card, but the restart stays the same.
On cbc replay?
Toronto 'til I die although still a Leeds fan at heart...
I believe the ref talking to the linesman for a while was about whether it was inside or outside the box - the linesman had a much better position than the ref to judge that, and the ref only blew his whistle and sent off Guevara, he did not point at the spot before talking to his linesman. You could tell that the players were still hoping it would be a free kick – Marshall placed the ball outside the box during the discussion.
Also, I talked to Nigel Reed after the game, who said it was definitely a punch to the face by Guevara, and that it took place right on the line of the box. The line belongs to the box, so correct call.
Unfortunatly correct call... if Guevara did infact lash out. I didnt get a good replay but judging from the other posters it sounds like the red was deserving.
Actually, the Ref pointed to the spot BEFORE going to the Linesman
anyone think it should be a yellow instead of red? home advantage right?
and how about the second red to Velez?
He did? Well, he can still change the restart (penalty or freekick) after he makes the original call, he just cant take back cards or fouls. So this must have been what he was discussing with the linesman.
LMAO @ U!
And velez already had a yellow and obviously told the ref where he could stick his whistle.
i know Velez alrady had a yellow... and wtf he did in order to get a red? I can't even see anything from my section... both times I just saw the ref took out the red card man....
No. Card colours aren't at the refs discretion in this case. If he thought there was an intent to injure (especially off the ball) its an automatic red.
So since I didn't see this as well as lots of people - did Guevera just lash out for shits and giggles or was there any preceeding incident?? I really can't see him punching someone for no reason - he's not Harmse FFS...
And if he was provoked why wasn't that called...
Oh yes the penalty was called before the ref talked to the linesman. I'm pretty sure that the linesman told the ref he was wrong based on the way the body language went...
I'd love to take the whole officating crew out for a beer tonight - maybe not all of them would get home safely....
Toronto 'til I die although still a Leeds fan at heart...
I'm guessing the Velez dismissal was a result of dissent. Didn't he kick the ball into the stands after Dallas was awarded the throw in?
Guevara admited to punching him. He is wondering why Ricchetti didn't get a card for elbowing him first.
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Well whether the linesman told the ref he was wrong or not, he made the right call. So have all the beer you want.
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