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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    I think if they play a mediocre season and exit in the first round that will be the end of him. For a top payroll team one round of playoffs and medaling performance isn’t going to cut it.


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    Mediocre and 1st round out maybe - the playoffs this year are now a cup format - its going to be a crapshoot. Real test is the league position.

    Good season and playoff out - he's not leaving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    Not sure about the numbers, but this is a creative idea.

    Suspect the league office would disallow.
    I don't know the CBA inside and out but I think you could pull this off but it would involve trust. I don't think the league would allow the current deals to be ripped up and raised. So you would just have to sign 3 one year extensions then the team would have to trust the players to resign a year later to the lower nudge, nudge, wink, wink TAM deals and the players would have to trust that we would still offer those deals. Technically, this way, there is nothing to disallow.

    However it'd be pretty shitty if they tossed like $18M at Seba for a year and then when it came time to sign the TAM years to balance it, he walked.

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    We are also seeing the fact that we have not gone through this kind of negotiation before, because we have not had the success. Nothing the players have said is particularly outrageous, but it is surprising that there is no management message out there, except for implausible leaks about what Jozy and Seba have asked to get in a new deal. If they stay they are DP's, they are not going to be less than that, so it is a bit unlike hockey where what Marner gets someone else cannot get. So the exact amount might matter to the clubs bottom line (and to the players) but not to the strength of the roster because the cap hit is the same. Will they both be worth being DP's in 2020? I'd think so. 2022? Likely not. That should be the discussion.

    Personally, as I said above, Id love them to stay and to retire as reds - Seba especially, I think Jozy is going to be poached by someone else. It isn't quite clear to me why a million or two dollars would now be such an issue for MLSE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyDM View Post
    It isn't quite clear to me why a million or two dollars would now be such an issue for MLSE.
    I really don't think it is. I think it's about on field issues. We are one of the slower teams in the league and it can be an issue as we've seen. We do need to address that. The question is how.

    That being said I think we give Giovinco his deal. Maybe not for more $$$ but something in his present range. Whether he accepts it, who knows but him. Bradley I feel they would like to resign but I am not sure they want him at that number. I think Altidore is gone and by summer. I have a feeling they would like the full squad through the CCL and then if need be, sell in the summer window. Or if everyone hammers through the first half looking healthy and fantastic with an actual off season under their belts then maybe they get the final big pay day here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    Mediocre and 1st round out maybe - the playoffs this year are now a cup format - its going to be a crapshoot. Real test is the league position.

    Good season and playoff out - he's not leaving.
    Agreed. A good season will give him a pass if he flops in the playoffs. Or vice versa if the playoff run is good but we squeak in he’ll be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    I really don't think it is. I think it's about on field issues. We are one of the slower teams in the league and it can be an issue as we've seen. We do need to address that. The question is how.

    That being said I think we give Giovinco his deal. Maybe not for more $$$ but something in his present range. Whether he accepts it, who knows but him. Bradley I feel they would like to resign but I am not sure they want him at that number. I think Altidore is gone and by summer. I have a feeling they would like the full squad through the CCL and then if need be, sell in the summer window. Or if everyone hammers through the first half looking healthy and fantastic with an actual off season under their belts then maybe they get the final big pay day here.
    Agreed with all of this. Although i’d extend Giovinco now (if the $ make sense) but the other two are more complicated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyDM View Post
    It isn't quite clear to me why a million or two dollars would now be such an issue for MLSE.
    They aren't interested in losing 10M per season right now. It's that simple. This is bigger than Vanney/Curtis/Manning. It's out of their hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan View Post
    They aren't interested in losing 10M per season right now. It's that simple. This is bigger than Vanney/Curtis/Manning. It's out of their hands.
    I still dispute that they are losing any money with TFC even with the roster currently at $23M. The gate for the season pretty much covers that alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    I still dispute that they are losing any money with TFC even with the roster currently at $23M. The gate for the season pretty much covers that alone.
    I think they do lose money but it’s not critical to the analysis.

    The real issue is whether MLSE think they can get the same outcomes spending less.
    “What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”

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    Any operating loss would likely an account from the amortization of the BMO reno and training facility. Im not sure they care about the paper loss when they are likely have a positive cash flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    I think they do lose money but it’s not critical to the analysis.

    The real issue is whether MLSE think they can get the same outcomes spending less.
    I don't think they care about the spending less. I think they care about getting younger and more versatile tactically. Like all leagues in all sports, when a successful formula pops up it gets copied. Atlanta (mainly) & LAFC have shown the benefits of buying young talent. They are younger, faster, and technically these players could be around for a decade and still be good players. The selling on possibilities are also something to consider but we'd probably want to hold on to anyone good just like Atlanta does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    I don't think they care about the spending less. I think they care about getting younger and more versatile tactically. Like all leagues in all sports, when a successful formula pops up it gets copied. Atlanta (mainly) & LAFC have shown the benefits of buying young talent. They are younger, faster, and technically these players could be around for a decade and still be good players. The selling on possibilities are also something to consider but we'd probably want to hold on to anyone good just like Atlanta does.
    Could be. That’s a different business model. One that Manning has no experience leading btw

    One thing I will bet on - suits will be highly interested in NYRB spend/model, as it “appears” less risky (but in reality is harder to execute)

    Frankly hiring Curtis is pretty compelling evidence that we are going the NYRB route
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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    Although i’d extend Giovinco now (if the $ make sense) but the other two are more complicated.
    I think the real deal negotiations will start now that the squad is assembled. That's how they did Osorio last year when the same questions came up about him (last year of contract). He did exactly what you expect from a player in that situation and he was rewarded. There is precedent for earning your contract and then getting it with TFC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    One thing I will bet on - suits will be highly interested in NYRB spend/model, as it “appears” less risky (but in reality is harder to execute)

    Frankly hiring Curtis is pretty compelling evidence that we are going the NYRB route
    This is what I would like to see us do as well but still splash in some higher priced guys. It's a successful way, hard to do, but successful and helps with the cap. However that's not going to happen any time soon. The whole academy needs to be overhauled and has to start producing legit MLS (or better talent) before that happens. If you can pump out solid HGs consistently like NYRB does then you can be competitive for years and years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    I think the real deal negotiations will start now that the squad is assembled. That's how they did Osorio last year when the same questions came up about him (last year of contract). He did exactly what you expect from a player in that situation and he was rewarded. There is precedent for earning your contract and then getting it with TFC.
    Exactly this!

    They also have a reputation for treating their players well during their time, so I don't understand why they have daggers drawn, here.

    I think any player in MLS should know that the league, with all it's quirky rules, plays a huge role in how a club can go about negotiations, especially in the areas they simply can NOT afford to get wrong, such like your DP contracts—common sense, you might say…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    I still dispute that they are losing any money with TFC even with the roster currently at $23M. The gate for the season pretty much covers that alone.
    If they weren't losing money, these guys wouldn't be on the way out IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    I think they do lose money but it’s not critical to the analysis.

    The real issue is whether MLSE think they can get the same outcomes spending less.
    I think they do.

    Quote Originally Posted by leafsman View Post
    Any operating loss would likely an account from the amortization of the BMO reno and training facility. Im not sure they care about the paper loss when they are likely have a positive cash flow.
    They need to expand the stadium by at least 10K, along with other infrastructure expansion, so more big expenses are coming and I'm sure they'd like to claw back in other areas if they can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan View Post
    If they weren't losing money, these guys wouldn't be on the way out IMO.

    They need to expand the stadium by at least 10K, along with other infrastructure expansion, so more big expenses are coming and I'm sure they'd like to claw back in other areas if they can.
    Guys might be on the way out because they are getting older, slower and in some cases, injured often. Since no replacements are even being mentioned it's all the usual assuming MLSE will turn super cheap, which they never have by the way. They could easily go out and splash another $20M on 3 new guys just as easily as they could load up on young TAM level guys.

    Also, pretty stupid to cut all your stars out of a team, run lean and still expand by 10k when you don't even sell out every match while being successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    Guys might be on the way out because they are getting older, slower and in some cases, injured often. Since no replacements are even being mentioned it's all the usual assuming MLSE will turn super cheap, which they never have by the way. They could easily go out and splash another $20M on 3 new guys just as easily as they could load up on young TAM level guys.

    Also, pretty stupid to cut all your stars out of a team, run lean and still expand by 10k when you don't even sell out every match while being successful.
    The expansion is 3-4 years away from starting. My anticipation is they make another financial splash at that time and keep it far more modest for the next 3-4 seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan View Post
    The expansion is 3-4 years away from starting. My anticipation is they make another financial splash at that time and keep it far more modest for the next 3-4 seasons.
    The expansion is for the 2026 WC.

    MLSE does not have to pay for this renovation as far as I know. There's also been no discussion on whether any expansion would be permanent or temporary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ensco View Post
    Could be. That’s a different business model. One that Manning has no experience leading btw

    One thing I will bet on - suits will be highly interested in NYRB spend/model, as it “appears” less risky (but in reality is harder to execute)

    Frankly hiring Curtis is pretty compelling evidence that we are going the NYRB route
    Honestly I don’t see hiring Curtis as evidence of anything other than they had a GM post they needed for fill. Perhaps you could say they liked what he did with their Academy and realize they are underperforming here in comparison. That was a point of discussion from day 1 they’ve been pretty open about.

    But in terms of DP spending? The team’s overall budget? It means nothing. When you’re the highest spending club in the league every candidate you bring in with existing experience in the league is going to come from a team that spends less. Even if we opened it up to the clubs that spend close to what we do (NYC, Seattle, LAFC) nobody in those positions are moving. So it’s either go with someone global and hear groans about if the experience translates (or fits with the rest of a MLS-experience heavy staff) or we get someone like this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    Honestly I don’t see hiring Curtis as evidence of anything other than they had a GM post they needed for fill. Perhaps you could say they liked what he did with their Academy and realize they are underperforming here in comparison. That was a point of discussion from day 1 they’ve been pretty open about.

    But in terms of DP spending? The team’s overall budget? It means nothing. When you’re the highest spending club in the league every candidate you bring in with existing experience in the league is going to come from a team that spends less. Even if we opened it up to the clubs that spend close to what we do (NYC, Seattle, LAFC) nobody in those positions are moving. So it’s either go with someone global and hear groans about if the experience translates (or fits with the rest of a MLS-experience heavy staff) or we get someone like this guy.
    Wasn't part of him leaving NYRB and his fight with Marsch about spending on higher priced players? As in he wanted to spend and Marsch didn't and the NYRB brass sided with Marsch and his plan instead?

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    I don't like the way this is being handled at all. What is Manning playing at? He chased out Bez so he could bring in a puppet like Curtis.
    Add to that the fact he has done shit all this off- season I'm very worried about this year.. esp with CCL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    Wasn't part of him leaving NYRB and his fight with Marsch about spending on higher priced players? As in he wanted to spend and Marsch didn't and the NYRB brass sided with Marsch and his plan instead?
    I’m not sure. But regardless, it’s a different organization with different owners / incentives. He’s ultimately working with whatever upper management directs him to do / what the budget is he has to work with.

    If we were going to immediately kill our budget I doubt we go out and blow several million dollars last year on a Spanish pylon with a cannon for a left foot and luxury-part RB.

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    I would hate to see Jozy go, but the reality of him coming to Toronto was we needed to unload a big contract in Defoe and Sunderland were willing to swap Jozy, a proven MLS player in return and we took it.

    Jozy was never worth that money, we all said it and here we are today with the club acknowledging that as well.

    There is no denying what he's done for us and I'd love for him to stay - but as I said in a previous post - he ain't worth 5x more than what other non-injury prone DP's in the league are making. I bet TFC want him at 1-2m max and he thinks he's worth more.

    When healthy - I'd take him at more, but in his entire time here - he's been injured for large portions of the season. And now that he's getting on in years, there's no proof it'll be any different.

    BWP averages 2659 minutes a season
    Jozy averages 1588


    That alone tells you something
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    I don't like having things unsettled a month before CCL but if you look around MLS, most teams are still figuring out roster moves and are far from set. This earlier season start time will be causing some havoc later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    I really don't think it is. I think it's about on field issues. We are one of the slower teams in the league and it can be an issue as we've seen. We do need to address that. The question is how.

    That being said I think we give Giovinco his deal. Maybe not for more $$$ but something in his present range. Whether he accepts it, who knows but him. Bradley I feel they would like to resign but I am not sure they want him at that number. I think Altidore is gone and by summer. I have a feeling they would like the full squad through the CCL and then if need be, sell in the summer window. Or if everyone hammers through the first half looking healthy and fantastic with an actual off season under their belts then maybe they get the final big pay day here.
    Yes, that sounds about right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    I think the real deal negotiations will start now that the squad is assembled. That's how they did Osorio last year when the same questions came up about him (last year of contract). He did exactly what you expect from a player in that situation and he was rewarded. There is precedent for earning your contract and then getting it with TFC.
    Mostly assembled but I'm agree with this line of thinking. Osorio was the Golden boot winner in the CCL. Seba the Golden Ball winner. If we see another big CCL campaign & a good start to the MLS season, expect pressure to mount on management. But its up to the DP's to apply that pressure - which to be fair is pretty much what Seba & Jozy have been saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabbronies View Post
    I would hate to see Jozy go, but the reality of him coming to Toronto was we needed to unload a big contract in Defoe and Sunderland were willing to swap Jozy, a proven MLS player in return and we took it.

    Jozy was never worth that money, we all said it and here we are today with the club acknowledging that as well.

    There is no denying what he's done for us and I'd love for him to stay - but as I said in a previous post - he ain't worth 5x more than what other non-injury prone DP's in the league are making. I bet TFC want him at 1-2m max and he thinks he's worth more.

    When healthy - I'd take him at more, but in his entire time here - he's been injured for large portions of the season. And now that he's getting on in years, there's no proof it'll be any different.

    BWP averages 2659 minutes a season
    Jozy averages 1588


    That alone tells you something
    Jozy is a proven winner. Yes, you could replace him for less, but its a considerable risk. Could easily get a million dollar striker who doesnt
    score. There are lots of those around too.

    I wonder if last years failed transfers are having an impact on Mannings instructions from above?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    The expansion is for the 2026 WC.

    MLSE does not have to pay for this renovation as far as I know. There's also been no discussion on whether any expansion would be permanent or temporary.
    This isn't accurate.

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    Alexis MacAllister sold to Brighton. $8MMish USD.

    Brighton have signed 20-year-old Argentine prospect Alexis Mac Allister from Argentinos Juniors, where he will return on loan until June.

    The Seagulls unloaded around £6m on the young midfielder but have allowed him to remain in Argentina for a further six months in order to process paperwork that will allow him to claim an EU passport.

 

 

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