If we think about offering that to Seba he will be gone quick, there are a few Mexican teams that will make offers of 4-5M per year for him.
Bradley and Jozy both know that they move the marketing needle in an American market. Regardless of the national team fiasco they will get a lot better offers than what you have listed there.
I am going to plead guilty to calling at least five of those! In fact I may have argued every single one of those except one. ouch.Originally Posted by Auzzy
Good post, and well articulated. I am humbled by the sheer weight of my past apocalyptic pronouncements.
(It's really all one call. MLSE didn’t move to sell off the DPs, as I feared post Leiweke, so I got that wrong, but otherwise... the scorecard hasn’t come in yet)
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
You are high on the market for Bradley, low on the others. Bradley is a TAM player in 2020.
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
I must start my post with a thanks to Tim B. I have been critical of some moves and perhaps too quick to give TFC credit to Tim L., but you have to say that the Tim Bezbatchenko years were the greatest and he deserves a send off salute.
Hope that Columbus has to give up something to acquire TFC's under contract GM.
TFC with a new approach GM must give pause to all players and especially the agents of the three DPs. I think that if the plan is something bold (selling Jozy or Seba?) the new GM pulls it off right away. If the approach is to stay the course, the GM can still have a "What have you done for me lately" style. If TFC is not back as a powerhouse team by June, change happens over the summer.
As to value of present DPs on TFC, I think Michael Bradley is in a different category than the others. He turns 32 in the summer, the next playing contract he signs could be his last. If he seeks a long term deal at max money, TFC might trade or let him go as free agent. If he sees this next contract as his transition to a front office or coaching role, then his loyalty to TFC and the Toronto area become non-cash considerations...
How many TAM do we have for the upcoming 2019 season?
Seba has all the leverage here, for he knows, and we know, that a current TFC roster without him, would be firmly in last place.
Then Seba will be gone because he's not worth more than $3m in MLS at his age.
Bradley and Jozy will be TAM players next year in MLS - MB probably here in Toronto not sure about Jozy.
The only way they move the marketing needle in the US is negative. They are both hated in almost every US city.
Manning inherited Bez. Now he gets to hire his guy (Curtis).
I expect to see more emphasis on the academy and younger cheaper DPs. Like Bez, Curtis knows the players and how to manage the cap and he has a history of good team construction. He'll be able to plot a more sustainable (but still winning) course than the highest spending trajectory that TFC was on.
Vanney is the one to be most worried. He isn't Curtis' guy so he really has to prove himself. On the other hand Manning will be urging continuity and I'm sure Curtis learned from how badly the situation went for him personally at RBNY when he changed coaches.
These are insulting numbers, which I'm sure would provoke all three players to leave the table.
Heck all 3 would get more then that in Mexico ... in 2021.
That's the competition for the DP's that will drive the price.
Tend to agree, as I was never convinced Bez was slick enough to secure the likes of your Giovincos and Zlatans of the world, if maybe always giving him the benefit of the doubt.
To be fair, I think, in many respects, it's kind of like that everywhere else in the world, as well; if a team doesn't already look like it has a couple solid/marquee pieces, most teams would struggle to bring in cream-of-the-crop players like that, if they don't have the well-established tradition/reputation/history of a big/successful club. Bit of a chicken and egg deal, then.
Respect for including Johnson; always felt his time here were somewhat underrated. When this news came out, I immediately thought of the huge blunder that was Aketxe, and, to a lesser degree, vdW, wondering if those misses caused a little tension. Not saying they'd have been the catalyst to Bez moving on, per se, although perhaps with a little trouble in paradise, and rumblings of it being the end of an era (especially after the season we had, even though I disagree; injuries, etc.), he might have opted to move on a hero, lest he stick around long enough to become the villain.
So is Ciman a Manning pick up? if not I don't get the reasoning in allowing an outgoing Gm to bring in a player if he already has one foot out the door.
Saw this:
Phil Banks @pbanksjourno 2h2 hours ago
Scott brown will leave @CelticFC at the end of the season. Clubs across USA and Australia are interested but the front runners are @torontofc as they look for a replacement for departing Michael Bradley. #hoops #celtic
I didn't know Bradley was leaving.
Probably Vanney, Bez & Manning were involved with getting Ciman, and are all OK with it.
Nobody knows that yet. Could be true; or could by hype by Scott Brown's agent?
EDIT Not sure why we would get rid of a 31 year old, and pick up a 33 year old (34 by the time he would come here)? Doesn't make sense.
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Given that account has 88 followers I'm gonna say bollcoks to that
Seems like an agent pushing his agenda. Knowing not much about Scott Brown, looks a little too old to be brought in to do that role. While this isn’t a world class league by any means speed is increasingly important in the midddle of the park for any DM trying to manage the space in front of the back line. Good luck chasing around Pity Martinez or Diego Rossi in your mid 30’s.
The rumour has always been the new A league team, some guy got him added to sky sports at 10-1 pre Old firm
Gio - i probably went too low and I feel bad for that. He wold probably be more like 4-5 million - but seriously, you can't sign him at the same price was originally bought him for - can you?
I think Jozy price is fair. he came in waaaaaaay too high. Considering guys like Almiron, Martinez, BWP are in that price range - I'd assumed his value to be at that - which is kind generous considering his health issue. 2 out of 3 seasons here he's been here have been injury riddled. The players I;ve listed have next to no injury history - they are consistent.
Bradley - ya he could be 1m / TAM player, but when you consider the money other USMNT vets like Dempsey, Howard, Dywer etc get - I doubt he goes for that low. I still say $1.5 is what he signs for
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He's probably a Vanney pick up. let's not forget the manager says he needs a player, the GM should present options and the manager should pick his order. The GM then goes and gets play.
Tell Mou that’s how it works. Lol.
He doesn't seem like a player Curtis would pursue though.
I'm okay with Ciman too, just find it odd given the GM changeover that has now come to light
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/KristianJack/status/1080852636352634880
At the end of the day the new guy needs time to adjust. If this team started the season without a new CB it would potentially be a dumpster fire and people we screaming bloody murder.
So given the alternative, they went ahead and signed a guy who might not mesh with the new GM’s philosophy (likely on a short term contract). Sounds pretty reasonable to me and if I was stepping in to the GM role it sounds better than having overdue business to take care of the second I walked in the door.
Based on what the presser is saying, this is quick but Vanney is as much involved in this hire as Manning. "They knew who they wanted."
Almost as if AD/GM & coach are two seperate but equal positions.
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"25 on the roster. 5 being targetted. Already in place who those are. Ali part of that moving forward."
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Im sure its a benevolent dictatorship, his opinion is valued but not the end all be allBased on what the presser is saying, this is quick but Vanney is as much involved in this hire as Manning. "They knew who they wanted."
Almost as if AD/GM & coach are two seperate but equal positions.
IMO Curtis just hit on the key thing he will find some room for improvement: TFC II and the linkage with the development programs.
Dont forget that Vanney's official title is "Technical Director & Head Coach"Based on what the presser is saying, this is quick but Vanney is as much involved in this hire as Manning. "They knew who they wanted."
Almost as if AD/GM & coach are two seperate but equal positions.
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"25 on the roster. 5 being targetted. Already in place who those are. Ali part of that moving forward."
Yes, that seemed to be an outsized talking point compared to everything else going on, so I like what I heard. RBNY have at worst the second best academy in the league. I might even say it’s the best since they don’t necessarily force guys though while playing crappy first team football the way FCD does on occasion.
I think, all things considered, it’s a positive start. He definitely has his quirks and probably will rub some the wrong way but he is well known by Vanney and Manning so I think this is the best chance we have on someone who is plug and play that won’t be disruptive to the organization.
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