TFC 2018-2019 player off season moves/speculation/rumours

[greekasm]

What we all want is that solo passionate owner.

We can only dream!

i rather have a corp like mlse that really dont care about a profit

Make no mistake, MLSE only cares about shareholder value (as they should, as a corporation). While TFC is tiny compared to other business interests, MLSE ONLY cares about profits. Over the last couple of years (Tim Leiweke era and beyond), they have understood that they need to spend money to make money. Huge spending has yielded full stadiums, which leads to increased concessions, merchandise, etc. If this formula isn't as profitable as mid-table spending (with possibly similar results on the pitch), then they may try that instead. In MLS, I'm sure there is a model that maximizes profitability without being the top spender. We are fooling ourselves though if we pretend MLSE isn't exclusively interested in profits.

[Ultra & Proud]

We can only dream!



Make no mistake, MLSE only cares about shareholder value (as they should, as a corporation). While TFC is tiny compared to other business interests, MLSE ONLY cares about profits. Over the last couple of years (Tim Leiweke era and beyond), they have understood that they need to spend money to make money. Huge spending has yielded full stadiums, which leads to increased concessions, merchandise, etc. If this formula isn't as profitable as mid-table spending (with possibly similar results on the pitch), then they may try that instead. In MLS, I'm sure there is a model that maximizes profitability without being the top spender. We are fooling ourselves though if we pretend MLSE isn't exclusively interested in profits.

They're also interested in championships and trophies but in a somewhat responsible manner. It's an ego thing. You saw the brass with the MLS Cup. They were into having a real trophy and a real champion. Also they flaunted our star around for a year. MLSE likes money A LOT but they still want to feel like they're the be all and end of of sports ownership groups. All fat cat owners want that but they want it along with making money.

Also we've been going over this now for 13 years or so. MLSE/TFC have never been cheap. Never cut corners on budget to make more for themselves. Even when were garbage we spent well. We just didn't have a clue on who to buy, how to assemble a team. have a gameplan, etc.

[Blixa]

Oh, other teams wanted him - Barca, among others, kicked the tires, don't forget.

Nobody wanted him at that salary.

This is the thing with Seba that people don't realise - if he really wanted it, his play at TFC was enough to make get him into a big European squad again - sure some where he would sit, like Barca, but there would be others where he would have started. He could have forced that move.

But nobody else was going to pay that salary.

Ultimately, Seba is a player who wanted that payday playing full time more then he wanted to play at a certain level. And when we no longer would be willing to pay him that payday at this level, he found a level that would.

Exactly this. Here's another thing about Giovinco that people don't realize: he's even more greedy than MLSE.

[Luanda]

No more GIO talk please, unless it is info on the specific transfer fee and/or how it will be used. Thank you.

[MightyDM]

This suspense is killing me!

I hope we won't have to wait until next week to find out who it's going to be.

I hope we don't have to wait until next season.

[reggie]

We can only dream!



Make no mistake, MLSE only cares about shareholder value (as they should, as a corporation). While TFC is tiny compared to other business interests, MLSE ONLY cares about profits. Over the last couple of years (Tim Leiweke era and beyond), they have understood that they need to spend money to make money. Huge spending has yielded full stadiums, which leads to increased concessions, merchandise, etc. If this formula isn't as profitable as mid-table spending (with possibly similar results on the pitch), then they may try that instead. In MLS, I'm sure there is a model that maximizes profitability without being the top spender. We are fooling ourselves though if we pretend MLSE isn't exclusively interested in profits.

and a private owner isnt interested in profits?
i guess people on here rather have joey saputo has a owner

[MightyDM]

They're also interested in championships and trophies but in a somewhat responsible manner. It's an ego thing. You saw the brass with the MLS Cup. They were into having a real trophy and a real champion. Also they flaunted our star around for a year. MLSE likes money A LOT but they still want to feel like they're the be all and end of of sports ownership groups. All fat cat owners want that but they want it along with making money.

Also we've been going over this now for 13 years or so. MLSE/TFC have never been cheap. Never cut corners on budget to make more for themselves. Even when were garbage we spent well. We just didn't have a clue on who to buy, how to assemble a team. have a gameplan, etc.

Fair. But Manning was instructed to cut the budget, it was reported by KJ. So they are going cheaper. And that was inevitable once Tim L left.

[ag futbol]

People are looking at this the wrong way. “MLSE” is interested in whatever keeps people subscribing to cable or paying for overpriced internet, to maximize the profit of THAT.

This is why they purchased the teams in the first place. To pin people to cable or internet using one of the last (weak) justifications available: live sports content. If they lose a dollar, if they lose millions of dollars, their concern is whether or not they are more than making that up on telco services.

Why did they put in a mandate for winning teams? Ego driven in part, no doubt but also because nobody wants to watch a terrible product. Maybe they overshot the mark at first with Tim L. but I doubt we go full moneyball either.

TFC is certainly no ratings powerhouse. However, the company needs to concern it self not just with today but also the future. One where all the demographics suggest this sport is only getting more popular and where a World Cup will be hosted in the next decade. Do you just sleep on that and roll over or try to be in the best place possible when it matters?

[reggie]

Fair. But Manning was instructed not to pay cut the budget, it was reported by KJ. So they are going cheaper. And that was inevitable once Tim L left.

they are going cheaper because its stupid paying 32 to 35 yr old 7mil
and they will prob will pay at least a 10 mil transfer fee and a salary of 4 to 5 mil to a new player..oh boy they are cheaping out

[Ultra & Proud]

they are going cheaper because its stupid paying 32 to 35 yr old 7mil
and they will prob will pay at least a 10 mil transfer fee and a salary of 4 to 5 mil to a new player..oh boy they are cheaping out

There you go. That's it in a nutshell. Not sure why this concept is so hard to grasp.

[jabbronies]

The most successful clubs develop their own players through their academy systems and sell to the bigger leagues.

This point will go under the radar, but it is exactly how successful clubs from weaker leagues operate.

And If they do buy young players from other teams, they are not spending their top salary for that player.

Atlanta sold 1 player and everyone is jizzing their pants saying they have the winning formula...GTFO! If we go by 1 player sales, then Vancouver did it better with Davies. IMO that's the approach we should take.

Vancouver spent less and after subtracting the investment into the player, they made more. The transfer fee in and Almiron's salary for 2 seasons together are $13.6 million. No way Vancouver spent that on Davies

Also - if TFC were full strength last year, Atlanta would've been second fiddle to us - They couldn't beat us in their own stadium with a weakened backline. And then, like we did at home, We would've dusted them in the playoffs.

Get off the fucking hype train people.

[reggie]

This point will go under the radar, but it is exactly how successful clubs from weaker leagues operate.

And If they do buy young players from other teams, they are not spending their top salary for that player.

Atlanta sold 1 player and everyone is jizzing their pants saying they have the winning formula...GTFO! If we go by 1 player sales, then Vancouver did it better with Davies. IMO that's the approach we should take.

Vancouver spent less and after subtracting the investment into the player, they made more. The transfer fee in and Almiron's salary for 2 seasons together are $13.6 million. No way Vancouver spent that on Davies

Also - if TFC were full strength last year, Atlanta would've been second fiddle to us - They couldn't beat us in their own stadium with a weakened backline. And then, like we did at home, We would've dusted them in the playoffs.

Get off the fucking hype train people.

atta boy

[ag futbol]

Well okay... except Atlanta won the cup and Vancouver won... pretty much nothing (actually exactly nothing).

[RedsYNWA]

Why not try to sign Yohan Cabaye as a replacement for VV... a great CM available on a free would be good for a 2 year contract and not take up a DP spot

[rocktml]

This point will go under the radar, but it is exactly how successful clubs from weaker leagues operate.

And If they do buy young players from other teams, they are not spending their top salary for that player.

Atlanta sold 1 player and everyone is jizzing their pants saying they have the winning formula...GTFO! If we go by 1 player sales, then Vancouver did it better with Davies. IMO that's the approach we should take.

Vancouver spent less and after subtracting the investment into the player, they made more. The transfer fee in and Almiron's salary for 2 seasons together are $13.6 million. No way Vancouver spent that on Davies

Also - if TFC were full strength last year, Atlanta would've been second fiddle to us - They couldn't beat us in their own stadium with a weakened backline. And then, like we did at home, We would've dusted them in the playoffs.

Get off the fucking hype train people.

Fucking right on man! Couldn’t have said it better myself!

[69Chevy396]

Exactly this. Here's another thing about Giovinco that people don't realize: he's even more greedy than MLSE.

Greedy? Seba is a 32 year old father of two, plying his trade in a foreign country, and like any other sensible and responsible person, wants to earn the most that he can, while he can. He clearly wanted to remain in Toronto. It wasn’t his fault MLSE refused to meet his demands. Doubling his income drove him away. But, to argue this is his fault, is to ignore the fact that MLSE made countless millions marketing Seba as the face of TFC, benefiting from revenue when the stadium was full, and from the playoff and CCL ticket gouging.

When Seba was fit, the team won, and the fans came. In 2018, with the injuries, etc., and the team losses, the crowds thinned, concessions were down, giving mgmt a sense of what the future might hold, if the losing tradition resumed. Again, this wasnt Giovinco’s fault. He could easily take on a Higuain role, and lead the team, for many years.

MLSE has spent multiple millions in salaries on their losing hockey club, for 52 years without a championship. They parade old players, raise banners, go through the motions, as if they were a championship team. If the Leafs were in the hunt for the Cup this year, and all they needed to get over the top, was to sign a 40 year old Mark Messier, or Mario Lemieux, for a month, they would pay him $10 million and throw in a mansion on Post Road.

But not Seba. All that he did, was win an MVP, score beautiful goals, entertain thousands of new soccer fans, take the team to two finals, winning a championship for the first time. For this, doesnt he deserve that $10 mil? So many of you have argued about his age, and the high salary, as though the $ was coming out of your pocket. He deserved the contract because he, unlike Sittler, Salming, Gilmour, actually won something.

When is MLSE going to erect a statue of Giovinco in MLSE Square?

[stegosaurus]

Well okay... except Atlanta won the cup and Vancouver won... pretty much nothing (actually exactly nothing).

And?

Davies went to Bayern. Almiron went to Newcastle. Maybe if he lights it up in the Championship next season Red Bulls can buy him and win the shield over Atlanta again.

The two players had transfer fees within a few million dollars of each other, according to the reports.

Vancouver is a shit team selling off a youth product to one of the best teams in Europe, if not the world. Atlanta is a team that didn’t even win the Shield race with all their amazing young South American DPs versus a low budget cost-savings club with Championship legend BWP while selling off South American mercenaries to a relegation-fodder prem club.

Even if Vancouver sucks, the Davies move is infinitely more interesting and important than the Almiron one.

Edit: missed an “a.”

[backbeat]

Greedy? Seba is a 32 year old father of two, plying his trade in a foreign country, and like any other sensible and responsible person, wants to earn the most that he can, while he can. He clearly wanted to remain in Toronto. It wasn’t his fault MLSE refused to meet his demands. Doubling his income drove him away. But, to argue this is his fault, is to ignore the fact that MLSE made countless millions marketing Seba as the face of TFC, benefiting from revenue when the stadium was full, and from the playoff and CCL ticket gouging.

When Seba was fit, the team won, and the fans came. In 2018, with the injuries, etc., and the team losses, the crowds thinned, concessions were down, giving mgmt a sense of what the future might hold, if the losing tradition resumed. Again, this wasnt Giovinco’s fault. He could easily take on a Higuain role, and lead the team, for many years.

MLSE has spent multiple millions in salaries on their losing hockey club, for 52 years without a championship. They parade old players, raise banners, go through the motions, as if they were a championship team. If the Leafs were in the hunt for the Cup this year, and all they needed to get over the top, was to sign a 40 year old Mark Messier, or Mario Lemieux, for a month, they would pay him $10 million and throw in a mansion on Post Road.

But not Seba. All that he did, was win an MVP, score beautiful goals, entertain thousands of new soccer fans, take the team to two finals, winning a championship for the first time. For this, doesnt he deserve that $10 mil? So many of you have argued about his age, and the high salary, as though the $ was coming out of your pocket. He deserved the contract because he, unlike Sittler, Salming, Gilmour, actually won something.

When is MLSE going to erect a statue of Giovinco in MLSE Square?

the other thing i'm finding really annoying with some of these post about Seba are regarding his numbers for 2018 - some folks act as though he stunk the joint out - seriously STFU - he had incredible numbers considering 3/4 of the team were injured or the 11 were almost totally different each game, let a lone the CCL travel, length of the season and some of his injuries - he had a brilliant season

contract negotiations aside, all Seba as a player ever did for all, ALL the time he was with TFC was outstanding and we should be forever thankful - i am so thrilled he was apart of our teams's history. he was a game changer

[stegosaurus]

the other thing i'm finding really annoying with some of these post about Seba are regarding his numbers for 2018 - some folks act as though he stunk the joint out - seriously STFU - he had incredible numbers considering 3/4 of the team were injured or the 11 were almost totally different each game, let a lone the CCL travel, length of the season and some of his injuries - he had a brilliant season

contract negotiations aside, all Seba as a player ever did for all, ALL the time he was with TFC was outstanding and we should be forever thankful - i am so thrilled he was apart of our teams's history. he was a game changer

Yes, I don’t understand the logic. The Slippy G comparison was spot on. Seba played here, with passion, won all there was to win but the CCL (which isn’t really his fault), brought us out of a seemingly neverending rut, hopped off planes to get back on the pitch to play for the badge, etc.

I’ve met him or bumped into him many times and he’s a very kind, humble guy. To think he didn’t love living here because he wants a bunch of cash at the end of his career to secure his family’s future is being incredibly disingenuous.

And to those claiming he was petulant? Yes, he may have been, but were we watching different games? Seba was hacked by hatchetmen all game long, and still didn’t get calls. Look at the Ligue 1’s treatment of Neymar: if you’re better than other people, it’s fair to constantly foul you to the point of injury. Neymar has done quite a bit to improve his on pitch image, and he rarely ever dives anymore. But when the opposing team’s manager admits their game plan is to hack your players down due to a lack of skill, you start to wonder why these players are considered “petulant.” A petulant diver who gets fouled harshly three times in a row by a talentless thug and still stays up? Seba faced a lot of that here too.

[Ultra & Proud]

Well okay... except Atlanta won the cup and Vancouver won... pretty much nothing (actually exactly nothing).

Like I said it's not the goal to be a seller. It's to target guys in the same kind of age range and skill set as these guys Atlanta got. That way if they sell for big money, great but some may choose the same route that dick Martinez chose and stick with the club for up to 7 years. That's 7 years in his twenties too. That's a different ballgame than a player sticking for 7 years when more than half of them are 30+. That's how we could have a dynasty. If all went well.

[Initial B]

When is MLSE going to erect a statue of Giovinco, Bradley and Altidore in MLSE Square?

FYP.

[69Chevy396]

FYP.

Hah....Imagine this. Altidore and Bradley stay with the team for years. MLSE wants to commemorate them. Do they include Seba?

[RedsYNWA]

Transfer/MOVES/Rumors THREAD

NOT Seba or statue/s thread

[69Chevy396]

Transfer/MOVES/Rumors THREAD

NOT Seba or statue/s thread

Oh relax

[MightyDM]

There you go. That's it in a nutshell. Not sure why this concept is so hard to grasp.

TFC said, repeatedly, no major changes for 2018 - only minor improvements.

Then they let VV and Seba go, and at least Seba they say they did not expect to go.

They, MLSE, have also said that the payroll is too high and has to come down ($9 million is the figure quoted).

This is from them.

Maybe a model where you pay high transfer fees and bring in younger DP's is where they are going. But if so its a model that they started working on yesterday. or, you can't believe what they say.

[MightyDM]

Greedy? Seba is a 32 year old father of two, plying his trade in a foreign country, and like any other sensible and responsible person, wants to earn the most that he can, while he can. He clearly wanted to remain in Toronto. It wasn’t his fault MLSE refused to meet his demands. Doubling his income drove him away. But, to argue this is his fault, is to ignore the fact that MLSE made countless millions marketing Seba as the face of TFC, benefiting from revenue when the stadium was full, and from the playoff and CCL ticket gouging.

When Seba was fit, the team won, and the fans came. In 2018, with the injuries, etc., and the team losses, the crowds thinned, concessions were down, giving mgmt a sense of what the future might hold, if the losing tradition resumed. Again, this wasnt Giovinco’s fault. He could easily take on a Higuain role, and lead the team, for many years.

MLSE has spent multiple millions in salaries on their losing hockey club, for 52 years without a championship. They parade old players, raise banners, go through the motions, as if they were a championship team. If the Leafs were in the hunt for the Cup this year, and all they needed to get over the top, was to sign a 40 year old Mark Messier, or Mario Lemieux, for a month, they would pay him $10 million and throw in a mansion on Post Road.

But not Seba. All that he did, was win an MVP, score beautiful goals, entertain thousands of new soccer fans, take the team to two finals, winning a championship for the first time. For this, doesnt he deserve that $10 mil? So many of you have argued about his age, and the high salary, as though the $ was coming out of your pocket. He deserved the contract because he, unlike Sittler, Salming, Gilmour, actually won something.

When is MLSE going to erect a statue of Giovinco in MLSE Square?

Good for you.

[Ultra & Proud]

TFC said, repeatedly, no major changes for 2018 - only minor improvements.

Then they let VV and Seba go, and at least Seba they say they did not expect to go.

They, MLSE, have also said that the payroll is too high and has to come down ($9 million is the figure quoted).

This is from them.

Maybe a model where you pay high transfer fees and bring in younger DP's is where they are going. But if so its a model that they started working on yesterday. or, you can't believe what they say.

They sign this young DP, Hanni, another TAM guy plus Boyd & DeLeon and that's already a better team.

[MightyDM]

the other thing i'm finding really annoying with some of these post about Seba are regarding his numbers for 2018 - some folks act as though he stunk the joint out - seriously STFU - he had incredible numbers considering 3/4 of the team were injured or the 11 were almost totally different each game, let a lone the CCL travel, length of the season and some of his injuries - he had a brilliant season

contract negotiations aside, all Seba as a player ever did for all, ALL the time he was with TFC was outstanding and we should be forever thankful - i am so thrilled he was apart of our teams's history. he was a game changer

Beautiful.

[MightyDM]

They sign this young DP, Hanni, another TAM guy plus Boyd & DeLeon and that's already a better team.

possibly. Possibly not. But saying there is some grand plan in all of this is ridiculous - they have said the exact opposite.

Can you have a different model? yes. Should we have dumped the best player we ever will have a couple of weeks before the season starts in the vague hope that it will work first time we try? Never.

For every Almiron you get two or three Mista's and Aktexke's. lets get real. What you are talking about takes planning, diligence and a thoughtful approach. These take time. This year we are relying on blind luck.

[MightyDM]

Transfer/MOVES/Rumors THREAD

NOT Seba or statue/s thread

There are none.