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    Quote Originally Posted by Redskiesatnight View Post
    I recently had the privilege(?) of sitting through a brand meeting around the MLSE brand and it's properties (sport teams to you and me). While it is true that MLSE likes to give its shareholders a dividend each year, their business model is not driven by looking for efficiencies in paper clips (or TFC DP's). Their business model is to drive up their brand equity. Increasing the share price is their ultimate business goal. This THEY believe is accomplished by having their teams be in the top percentile for each of the respective leagues (read: competing for championships every season). Reducing spending and saving money that way isn't part of the calculus for increasing brand equity (and thus share value). So while they may be adjusting the spending around TFC (although I didn't get this sense from them, in fact all DP's along with VV and Osorio were touted as reasons for continued success), they are still looking for TFC to be a championship team (or championship competitive), so don't believe the "they're cheaping out" hype.

    Now whether they can achieve these goals is a whole other discussion. But in terms of incoming players, they aren't looking to spend less, just differently.
    Share price? Dividends? I thought MLSE was a private company. Share distributions to private owners are typically unpublished. either way, I hope you arecorrect.
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    Thanks for that inside view of MLSE. It's much better getting facts than people's fears (based more on when Teachers owned MLSE, not the current ownership, and Ballard's ownership of the Leafs).

    TFC don't have to crazy spend like before to have a winning team, but top 5 would be my expectation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo Starr View Post
    I wonder how Balotelli would fare in MLS it without having to endure the racist abuse he endures in Europe. Guy has skill, maybe he would lose the chip on his shoulder if he felt more accepted in a league
    If he could keep his nose clean, I think he could do well quite well in MLS. He is strong physical striker and we've seen another example (Drogba) score a few goals when he played here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69Chevy396 View Post
    Share price? Dividends? I thought MLSE was a private company. Share distributions to private owners are typically unpublished. either way, I hope you arecorrect.
    I thought that too but I get what he is saying. I mentioned similar a while ago while on about our payroll. Operating costs are a write off they want the MLSE brand and their properties (Leafs, Raps, TFC, Rock, those other guys) to have their individual franchise worths continue to ascend yearly and that's what makes the private shareholders happy. The only way for that is to have the gate , advertising, TV, and sponsorship revenue always increasing just like any big business. Hard to do if you pull a FC Dallas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    Comparing the best player in football history to Seba is a bit much.

    However, some other guy named Ronaldo was a hero at Real Madrid and he got shipped out too because he was believed to be too old for his wage.

    perhaps I should have taken more time over my point. There are ways that soccer teams around the world have learned to set the groundwork when they are entering difficult negotiations with an aging star player, Barcelona being one example - and Real Madrid being another. There are others, Man U comes to mind, that include laying the groundwork well ahead and having a clear plan for replacing the player or perhaps changing the team play and bringing in two or three players that suit a slightly different style..TFC did not do either of these things with Seba, and it creates a real concern that the rumours we are seeing - like Menendez - are for players that arent really part of a well thought out plan for 2018. I wasn't comparing Seba to Messi; I was comparing the way Barcelona's managment were artfully laying the groundwork for a difficult next negotiation with Messi with the way Toronto did not with Seba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benito View Post
    If he could keep his nose clean, I think he could do well quite well in MLS. He is strong physical striker and we've seen another example (Drogba) score a few goals when he played here.
    I wouldn't want to be the GM or team to take this kind of risk. He could be the next BWP or he could destroy the locker room by April.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redskiesatnight View Post
    I recently had the privilege(?) of sitting through a brand meeting around the MLSE brand and it's properties (sport teams to you and me). While it is true that MLSE likes to give its shareholders a dividend each year, their business model is not driven by looking for efficiencies in paper clips (or TFC DP's). Their business model is to drive up their brand equity. Increasing the share price is their ultimate business goal. This THEY believe is accomplished by having their teams be in the top percentile for each of the respective leagues (read: competing for championships every season). Reducing spending and saving money that way isn't part of the calculus for increasing brand equity (and thus share value). So while they may be adjusting the spending around TFC (although I didn't get this sense from them, in fact all DP's along with VV and Osorio were touted as reasons for continued success), they are still looking for TFC to be a championship team (or championship competitive), so don't believe the "they're cheaping out" hype.

    Now whether they can achieve these goals is a whole other discussion. But in terms of incoming players, they aren't looking to spend less, just differently.
    I have no doubt they said that and even believe it. But they also have said and believe that they can cut TFC's payroll and still win championships. That is possible, of course. But success is not guaranteed in that model by any means, and there is significant risk in trying to rebuild a roster (as we saw last year - all the new additions except Auro failed) - particularly on the fly as is happening now. The next signing will be interesting. Vanney already has said it will not be good enough to replace VV; it clearly wont be good enough to replace Seba. How good will this player be and what position?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyDM View Post
    perhaps I should have taken more time over my point. There are ways that soccer teams around the world have learned to set the groundwork when they are entering difficult negotiations with an aging star player, Barcelona being one example - and Real Madrid being another. There are others, Man U comes to mind, that include laying the groundwork well ahead and having a clear plan for replacing the player or perhaps changing the team play and bringing in two or three players that suit a slightly different style..TFC did not do either of these things with Seba, and it creates a real concern that the rumours we are seeing - like Menendez - are for players that arent really part of a well thought out plan for 2018. I wasn't comparing Seba to Messi; I was comparing the way Barcelona's managment were artfully laying the groundwork for a difficult next negotiation with Messi with the way Toronto did not with Seba.
    I think they figured he would stay. Also we are not privy to what gets said behind closed doors. He may have been warmer to the idea of $5M before Ibra got his new deal. Right after that was when Seba's talk started up again (coincidence?). No doubt it was a surprise but guessing we have no back up is pointless until we see what goes down and then the timeline of it comes out. As for Menedez, I don't see him as having anything to do with Giovinco. That probably started when they couldn't get Janson on another loan for 2019.

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    Yes it is privately owned so I can't actually speak to what the internal shareholders get each year (although the MLSE owners are publicly traded companies), but the thing I took away was that MLSE didn't just want teams in each league, they want to be the "big' team in their respective leagues. They want to win, because winning drives brand equity which drives up the value of MLSE. It was put to me like this, the Pitts Pirates might win the world series next year, but you'd still rather invest in the Yankees ownership group than the Pirates, because the Yankees are a big brand that wins".

    As a Toronto sports fan, I anticipate many years of trying to be at the top rather than just accept the money and give mediocrity (which seemed the business plan previously). So hopefully this turns into new and better players for TFC.

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    Rumour from even worse Source (galaxyghoul420 on reddit)

    "There's some rumours on twitter but nothing concrete.
    While we are talking rumours though, I heard from a friend that works at MLSE that they are pursuing Stephan El Shaarawy as their DP signing.
    He has a similar career to Giovinco's and also fits the 'star player' look."

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    I was always under the impression that the long term MLSE goal is to become something like YES since they own all the teams and the two main TV network providers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyDM View Post
    But they also have said and believe that they can cut TFC's payroll and still win championships. That is possible, of course.
    They might want to cut payroll but they still aspire to be one of the top spenders in the league. Last season they were the top spender by a long margin. Perhaps they don't have to spend that much more than everyone else to still be winners. But wanting to spend money doesn't necessarily mean you will win. So we will see what the new braintrust can come up with. I don't fear a lack of spend, just a lack of competency (but that is yet to be determined).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruffian View Post
    Rumour from even worse Source (galaxyghoul420 on reddit)

    "There's some rumours on twitter but nothing concrete.
    While we are talking rumours though, I heard from a friend that works at MLSE that they are pursuing Stephan El Shaarawy as their DP signing.
    He has a similar career to Giovinco's and also fits the 'star player' look."
    I am not 100% on him as a DP but as a $1.5M TAM guy then yeah, for sure. 100%.

    But I should adjust my expectations. I assume it would cost some extra $$$ to lure him from Italy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruffian View Post
    Rumour from even worse Source (galaxyghoul420 on reddit)

    "There's some rumours on twitter but nothing concrete.
    While we are talking rumours though, I heard from a friend that works at MLSE that they are pursuing Stephan El Shaarawy as their DP signing.
    He has a similar career to Giovinco's and also fits the 'star player' look."
    Another bad idea. He cannot seem to put together a string of five games without an injury. Couple years ago, he missed most of two fulln seasons.

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    Man of glass meets long-haul commercial flights and turf fields.

    Great player though. When on the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruffian View Post
    Rumour from even worse Source (galaxyghoul420 on reddit)

    "There's some rumours on twitter but nothing concrete.
    While we are talking rumours though, I heard from a friend that works at MLSE that they are pursuing Stephan El Shaarawy as their DP signing.
    He has a similar career to Giovinco's and also fits the 'star player' look."
    First realistic rumour. I actually think this is a pretty good signing. He’s a fringe starter the last 3 years on a legit champions league club. He averages around 10 goals a season on the wing. That pretty good. 26 years old. If this is guy, I will be happy.

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    and he is pricey...20-22 mil transfer fee.and 110k a week euro i guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag futbol View Post
    Man of glass meets long-haul commercial flights and turf fields.

    Great player though. When on the field.
    I thought MLS was loosening the charter plane rules?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69Chevy396 View Post
    Share price? Dividends? I thought MLSE was a private company. Share distributions to private owners are typically unpublished. either way, I hope you arecorrect.
    I think what he is saying is true. It makes perfect sense from a branding perspective (think of LA Galaxy due to Beckham and their band recognition). MLSE may be going to a "cheaper model", but I think that means inline with the spending of an Atlanta United. TBH, it all isn't that bad if that's the route they are going.

    But to go back to the share price / dividends, I work for a private company and they also give out shares to employees as part of their compensation package. They then also provide dividends on these shares each year to employees. So that said, it is possible that MLSE have an internal share price (which is pegged to a formula that is calculated off of their financial statements) and they could pay dividends to whomever their shareholders are.

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    maybe a loan..since he has been on loan before.and we have done biz with Roma before.

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    Looks like El Shaarawy was pretty injury free for the past 3 years though.

    It's sad that whenever you want to sign a guy you have to consider charter planes and fucking turf in the decision making

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra & Proud View Post
    I am not 100% on him as a DP but as a $1.5M TAM guy then yeah, for sure. 100%.

    But I should adjust my expectations. I assume it would cost some extra $$$ to lure him from Italy.
    I would agree, if he was a TAM player he would be perfect. However, I imagine he would cost us a pretty big transfer fee and his salary would be pretty high. To top it off, he's been injury prone a lot of his career causing some concern (he's gotten better over the last couple of seasons but still, it is a concern).

    I do not see the benefit of TFC spending a large transfer fee and salary to lure him over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luanda View Post
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    Toronto is nearing an agreement to land Marc Gasol, league sources tell ESPN.
    I looked him up on transfrmarket and was unimpressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgtheDim View Post
    I looked him up on transfrmarket and was unimpressed.

    RIGHT, but to my point, a number of pgs. earlier - NO NEWS FROM TFC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luanda View Post
    RIGHT, but to my point, a number of pgs. earlier - NO NEWS FROM TFC
    Guaranteed it's to make as big a splash as possible at that CN Tower, opening day of MLS window, new jersey announcement day.

    By then the Matthews hype will have faded and the uproar over Gasol/J.V will also be in the rear view. All eyes on TFC.

    Also if they do look at this board, seeing pages upon pages of hysteria over no news will make them very,very happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redskiesatnight View Post
    I recently had the privilege(?) of sitting through a brand meeting around the MLSE brand and it's properties (sport teams to you and me). While it is true that MLSE likes to give its shareholders a dividend each year, their business model is not driven by looking for efficiencies in paper clips (or TFC DP's). Their business model is to drive up their brand equity. Increasing the share price is their ultimate business goal. This THEY believe is accomplished by having their teams be in the top percentile for each of the respective leagues (read: competing for championships every season). Reducing spending and saving money that way isn't part of the calculus for increasing brand equity (and thus share value). So while they may be adjusting the spending around TFC (although I didn't get this sense from them, in fact all DP's along with VV and Osorio were touted as reasons for continued success), they are still looking for TFC to be a championship team (or championship competitive), so don't believe the "they're cheaping out" hype.

    Now whether they can achieve these goals is a whole other discussion. But in terms of incoming players, they aren't looking to spend less, just differently.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redskiesatnight View Post
    Yes it is privately owned so I can't actually speak to what the internal shareholders get each year (although the MLSE owners are publicly traded companies), but the thing I took away was that MLSE didn't just want teams in each league, they want to be the "big' team in their respective leagues. They want to win, because winning drives brand equity which drives up the value of MLSE. It was put to me like this, the Pitts Pirates might win the world series next year, but you'd still rather invest in the Yankees ownership group than the Pirates, because the Yankees are a big brand that wins".

    As a Toronto sports fan, I anticipate many years of trying to be at the top rather than just accept the money and give mediocrity (which seemed the business plan previously). So hopefully this turns into new and better players for TFC.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redskiesatnight View Post
    They might want to cut payroll but they still aspire to be one of the top spenders in the league. Last season they were the top spender by a long margin. Perhaps they don't have to spend that much more than everyone else to still be winners. But wanting to spend money doesn't necessarily mean you will win. So we will see what the new braintrust can come up with. I don't fear a lack of spend, just a lack of competency (but that is yet to be determined).

    I do find it odd that a dormant account of 15 months randomly shows up with "insider" information like this as it's first 3 posts.

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    El Shaarawy crossed my mind earlier. He has actually had over 30 appearances each of the last two seasons. His major injury problems are behind him. Unfortunately it stunted his development, he'd be a regular national team player if he'd been fit after breaking out in 2013.

    He's leading Roma in goals, the time to buy him was two years ago, not now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthesun View Post
    El Shaarawy crossed my mind earlier. He has actually had over 30 appearances each of the last two seasons. His major injury problems are behind him. Unfortunately it stunted his development, he'd be a regular national team player if he'd been fit after breaking out in 2013.

    He's leading Roma in goals, the time to buy him was two years ago, not now.
    I should have clarified that....he has been healthier, but not the elite level player Italians hoped for when he was younger

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    Are people genuinely delusional or what? A $1.5m TAM deal, you're having a laugh. He's a regular for one of the biggest teams in Italy and has been great the last couple of seasons. Nor has he had a serious injury in almost 4 years, I'm not sure how that is injury prone. His stats are almost identical to Giovinco's, if not slightly better. He'd instantly be our best player and one of the best in the league. On a TAM deal, jaysus fucking christ.

 

 

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