starting to think it may have been MLS cup that set us back as far as motivation, is the hunger still there to repeat after CCL?Originally Posted by notthesun
starting to think it may have been MLS cup that set us back as far as motivation, is the hunger still there to repeat after CCL?
Agreed - I don't think its there. The first half team had some urgency. The second half - well that was a team who's getting used to losing. We've all seen that before.
Looked like they gave up after 70 minutes. The score line was entirely flattering to TFC on the day. At the very least NYCFC should have converted that 4v2 on the counter attack.
There are things on this team that will have to be changed, with certainty (like upgrading the CB spot). Others are still TBD. However, in totality this is a massively underperforming team right now vs. its payroll, injuries or not.
I find it hard to take any CCL run after this credibly when we look like a bottom quartile club for the league. Qualifying to a regional tournament after being this poor would feel unjust.
Look even with Moore, Mavinga and Altidore back can’t see much changing , the ghost of TFC past is back it seems hopefully I’m wrong but I’m not thinking so, this team looks broken it was nice while it lasted but get ready for the old days to slowly come back.
"Ricketts has to bury that"......haven't hears that song before! LOL
Million dollar legs - two dollar brain!
"CCL Hangover".....This fatigue factor actually dates back two years
In the First MLS Cup game at BMO we had a very short off season after a draining campaign and playoff
Then after fighting for a supporters shield all year we once again went deep into December for the MLS Cup - only this time we had an even shorter off season prepping for the CCL
This is why few teams repeat in any sport nowadays
The best thing this club can do is use second string players for this years Canadian Championship series
They need a break badly
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We look like a team for which losing has become acceptable. No fight. Looks like a shell of last year, even from the team that started the CCL.
Well the last game of the season is Oct 28 so even if we somehow manage to win our way through again in the Voyageurs, we'll have that extra 6 weeks off.
I very strongly disagree.
Winning the Canadian Championship must be the most important priority this year, that would be the only thing that will salvage partially an utter shit season.
...Because in MLS I'm afraid that even if we will sneak somehow into the playoffs, we'll not get near the MLS cup final anyways.
I just cant see it. There are too many things wrong with the team this year.
I can’t get upset. I just won’t do it.
They are a championship team with an unsettled lineup that is really struggling. Morrow, boy, I think he's hurt again.
They need to do some tinkering (I am beginning to think Ricketts may have to be upgraded - I love the guy but strikers have to strike...)
Still. I believe.
“What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.”
I believe too ! and they are unsettled, granted, BUT i thought even unsettled we were good enough for MLS based on last year. Or at least good enough to compete. Still think something beyond injuries, available players, is amiss here. Something lacking. Hate questioning professional players hunger but something is NOW wrong here. Hope they get it together, we had the makings of an MLS dynasty with this group.
FWIW
I was pissed watching this.
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/MattDoyle76/status/1011015774897627138
Not buying yet the locker room idea as this was only 1 half of nobody caring.
But Something happened in that second half that was just not a good thing.
when Marky delgado comes on this year. we give up leads and lose games. every time he comes on late in a game we lose.
i was glad when aketche came off because he did nothing all game. someone said his giveaway lead to the first goal.
but then i was worried because the sub was marky
so now we have two weaknesses obvious glaring weaknesses. one midfield spot and centre back
aketche is a very bad player, the great bez blew it on that one
The mentality is all wrong. I don't see them making the playoffs, or if they do it will be one and out.
On the bright side, I'm expecting to save big on not having to buy too many playoff tickets.
Plus I can buy this year's "star" jersey and have the memories of the previous two great years.
Oh, and Aketxe is a really good player. For a completely different team. Time to ship out Aketxe = Gilberto II.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
Oh, and Aketxe is a really good player.
your joking right?
if not on what possible basis can you say he is a really good player??
oso, is set up for a huge raise because of the aketche situation.
imagine how shit we would be without oso
on another note: i think all this talk of hunger to win again is bullshit. I am not blaming the guys. it must be really tough to get up for another season after the one they had last season. the motivation is just not there.
i think they were saying that the last 3 world cup winners did not get past qualifying in their next world cup.
germany was 30 seconds away from being this close to being out of the tournament. so that would have been 4 in a row of winners of wc not getting past qualification.
even myself as a fan at the beginning of the year, i could not get up for this year like i could last years season.
Last edited by stevep; 06-24-2018 at 08:00 PM.
Agreed. Aketxe is a good player, just doesn’t fit our team.
For me the million dollar question is what exactly is this team? Are we still a championship calibre team that just needs some tinkering, or are we an aging, injury prone team that can no longer contend?
There has been a lot of blame placed on player's like Aketxe, Ricketts, Zavaletta, and Delgado, but is the play of these players the reason the team is losing? Two of our DP's, Giovinco and Bradley are having their worst seasons since arriving at the club. These are the players the club sinks or swims with, yet no one seems to be talking about them. Does Giovinco still deserve to be the highest paid player in MLS? The way MLS works with the salary cap if your DP's are not earning their salaries and are not the best players on your team then it is almost impossible to win.
Last edited by NK Toronto; 06-24-2018 at 08:14 PM.
Very hard to evaluate Bradley with the amount of disorganization in the midfield around him, although I concede he has played some stinkers this year (mainly at CB).
Giovinco... man. He’s like right where Altidore was a season or two ago sitting in a huge rut. He’s definitely missing that extra half step or two he had when he first arrived here. That said, you’d still figure on balance he should be producing goals.
In totality I agree with your point. Our best players have to start looking more the part if we are to turn this around.
Last edited by ag futbol; 06-24-2018 at 09:29 PM.
I'm trying to be patient knowing the the CCL has set us back with injuries and all.....but;
I'm starting to wonder who our training staff exactly are and what are they doing? We look gassed in every game?
I am having little to no confidence in Zav and Hagglund as the 2 CB's in a 4 back system. They are o.k. if uncle Drew is in between them, but on their own... too often out of position and flat footed.
Ricketts has had plenty of opportunity this year; lots of running around... very little result.
Every week i think this is it, this is where our season begins..
It's interesting that several players have been given contract extensions during the season, such as VV and Bono. However it's no accident that management is very reluctant to extend Giovinco's contract. I think Bez and company realize that Seba's play has dropped off and they are not prepared to extend his contract, at least not at his current salary. I wouldn't be surprised if this is his last season at TFC. In fact I expect it.
The last half of this season is going to be very interesting as to the future direction of this team. I don't think MLSE is going to be very happy that the team with the highest payroll is near the bottom of the league and in all likelihood will miss the play-offs, which means no play-off ticket revenue. We have already seen attendance drop off this season. Remember MLSE is a corporation whose first and foremost goal is profits. If club revenues decline this season I fully expect the club's payroll to be slashed for 2018.
Last edited by NK Toronto; 06-24-2018 at 08:42 PM.
Man, not saying you are right or wrong, and i know it has to happen eventually, but hard to even picture TFC with no Giovinco.
This game was shocking compared to the level of football in the world cup. I know that this squad is just saving its energy for the 2nd half of the season..
We all love what Giovinco has done for TFC, however the biggest mistake management can make is to pay a player based on what he has done in the past, rather than what he will do going forward. This is where management has to do what is in the best interests of the club even if it means parting with fan favourites.
I would agree with this 99 percent of the time but there are some exceptions i think, Giovinco might be one of those. Hope they can find a way to make it work.
Lately every early sub and formation change has backfired. Vanney in his desperation to get noticed is getting out-managed again and again.
Red Bulls made the CCL semis plus playing in the US Cup recently have 29 pts in 15. TFC granted played 2 extra CCL are on 15 pts in 15 games.
Payroll TFC 26 million, payroll NYRB 7.7 million
In all honesty, what would we like to see Vanney do? It’s hard to know if earlier forays like Bradley at CB were strategic or just a requirement given injuries. He’s gotten a lot out of second and third choice options, more than we’d expect.
The players this year just have not executed. That could be because of injuries, fatigue, motivation, talent in certain cases ... but i really wouldn’t point to coaching as a primary issue here.
Resign. I would like to see him resign so that an individual with a fresh perspective and lack of arrogance can take over. If we had tactical solutions, we'd be coaching.
IDK whats to be done and in reality no one else posting here does. Were just emotional fans that vent and react. There's a real problem since the CCL final, for over 2 moths the message has been this is when the team kicks it in gear towards the MLS Cup only to be set back again and again. There is something really wrong that those in charge have yet to correct.
Consider for a moment the amount of success constantly replacing coaches has gotten this team throughout its history vs. the amount of success we have seen with the only coach we have ever signed to a second contract.
So many people wanted Vanney gone after 2015... where would we be if we had went down that path?
At what point do we stop treating this club like it’s 2015 though? Are we just never going to make coaching changes now?
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